These are pretty much the reasons I find most Android devices less than appealing. HTC is one exception.
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lets take this point by point
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- what the hell for, I have a dvd player and Apple TV, and Direct TV, don't need my ipad to run my tv programming, mark this "don't care"
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- I don't need this, although I have heard some people do - don't care
- If I were a 13 yr old just discovering sex and porn, I would need flash. But since I am not, I don't - don't care
- I don't have problems with the web browser ( atomic web ) so the checkered web page thing is not an issue for me, but a nice bump in ram is always acceptable
- haven't seen that my processor has been overworked yet, by any of the apps, so although this would be cool in my geek head specs whore mind, it is probably not necessary or usable
- would be ok, but not important to me, I would rather have a usb port for a flash drive. - Don't care
- I don't really have a problem with this, I don't usually drag and drop movies or music, the way I might need to with images or pdf documents
- again, I don't primarily watch movies or video on my ipad, so this is another don't care
-really with the exception of the bump in ram and processor, and the camera, you are not talking about any money at all. The bump in ram and processor cost will be close to the same as the one already in the ipad. The rest of the stuff that you want is very low cost, it is just a matter of where it will fit in on the circuit board and the body of the ipad.
It is funny to me how many people are touting the xoom, and/or the honeycomb OS, when no one has actually seen it work. It didn't work well at CES, and no one except perhaps people at Motorola have seen it work. That being said, I hope it is great, because them Apple would have something to work hard for. At this point the droid tabs, are not even in the ballpark yet, not even in the parking lot. While Apple has been at bat for year, and hit a home run
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Quite true. We'll see what the Xoom is all about and how it works in the next few days. The Xoom nor any other yet to be released tablet is better than the iPad at this stage of the game. I think we'll be seeing Xoom reviews in the next day or two. Even if it works well doesn't mean it will sell well. I hope there is some legitimate competition for the iPad. It's a win-win situation for the consumer.
The fact is, laptop-spec tablet devices have been around for years, and they sold in tiny numbers. Apple came along and gave people what they believed people wanted out of a tablet device, and they got it right, not only with the hardware, but also the software and infrastructure. If all the competition can do is make the specs read like an over-priced laptop, that just further strengthens Apple's position. Nothing condescending about that, just fact.
I feel me must all accept that probably the only reason the iPad has sold well is due to the rolling Apple Hype Cool Trendy Bandwagon that's been building up momentum over the past few years.
If the iPad was launched cold, but no Apple Cool'nTrendy factor behind it, it probably would of flopped.
We had many people wanting to buy it without even knowing was it was.
I'm not taking anything away from the product, but their is more reasons the iPad is doing well, in the mind of the consumer at the current time, than just the product itself.
Telling the poster to grow up was what I was referring to as being condescending, not what Apple produced.
I never actually referred to what you referred to as being condescending. Now who is being condescending? Hypocrite, no?
So you didn't post this?
"Grow up. I have a powerful, lightweight laptop that takes care of general purpose computing."
I guess you meant it in a kind, fatherly way.
The thing is. It's not all about specs. Apple's tactic is brilliant. Pople with an iPhone will buy the iPad, people with an iPod will buy the iPad, people with an iPad will buy an iPad.
Why?
App lock in.
People are used to the system. I hate to learn a new operating system. And I consider myself a pro-user working with computers in days where you launched Windows as an application in Dos (good times). I will buy a iPad 2 because of this. Regardless of the specs of other machines.
Sure, I could buy a super duper mega ultra Android phone, but would itt give me the pleasure of my iPhone 4 (or even 3Gs)? Nope.
Think of it like this.
In 10 years, will you be playing Call of Duty? Nope
On the other hand, people still play frigging Mario Bros on the NES (emulated on the WII). It's that good.
Why?
App lock in.
People are used to the system. I hate to learn a new operating system. And I consider myself a pro-user working with computers in days where you launched Windows as an application in Dos (good times). I will buy a iPad 2 because of this. Regardless of the specs of other machines.
Sure, I could buy a super duper mega ultra Android phone, but would itt give me the pleasure of my iPhone 4 (or even 3Gs)? Nope.
Think of it like this.
In 10 years, will you be playing Call of Duty? Nope
On the other hand, people still play frigging Mario Bros on the NES (emulated on the WII). It's that good.
That's the killer for me. After investing a large amount of $ on Apps for my iPad this past year, whilst spec's of forthcoming android tablets intrigue, the fact remains I won't be switching because I have no desire to repurchase all the apps I already own and utilise.
Yep! It is about the apps. The reason I got an iPad is that the iPhone is a small tablet and I could envision how the apps would be much better on a larger platform.. Kindle, web browsing, magazines, video, photos, etc..all bigger and better. The fact that I already converted my FLAC library to ALAC to use with my iPod made the inclusion of ALAC support a major bonus. Now, with airplay, the Apple lock is even more firm.
FYI. I still use DOS quite a bit.
those would all be nifty things to have, but its like windows and mac. i could get a more powerful pc than macs right now, but macs still give a better experience. same with ios tablets (ipad) and android tablets (xoom, galaxy tab, etc). android tabs might be more powerful, but ipads provides a better experience.
Thing is, I don't actually think it is about Apps for the Apple Faithful.
Apple could announce tomorrow they are going to totally break new ground with iPad2, it will have retina display and some new secret chipset that makes it twice as fast as an xbox360 at graphics.
However, it's totally new and all new software will have to be written to run on it. They are working with devs, but as yet their is very little other than the built in apps, a word processor and angry birds 3D ultra on it.
But more will follow in time.
And Apple fans would go nuts over the device.
Apple could announce tomorrow they are going to totally break new ground with iPad2, it will have retina display and some new secret chipset that makes it twice as fast as an xbox360 at graphics.
However, it's totally new and all new software will have to be written to run on it. They are working with devs, but as yet their is very little other than the built in apps, a word processor and angry birds 3D ultra on it.
But more will follow in time.
And Apple fans would go nuts over the device.
What does that have to do with you being a hypocrite?So you didn't post this?
"Grow up. I have a powerful, lightweight laptop that takes care of general purpose computing."
I guess you meant it in a kind, fatherly way.
DISCLAIMER - The following paragraphs are "personal opinion only", but from the perspective of a 16+ year gaming industry veteran.
First off, I'm on MacRumors.com because well- I'm an all Apple gadget & Mac person (at home), but 2 weeks ago I decided that had to see what all the Android hype was about. So I actually bought an HTC EVO 4G with Android 2.2 (Froyo) and HTC sense just to see for myself. By the way, it is a fantastic phone with a beautiful large screen. The first thing I thought was I really hope the iPhone 5 has a big screen like this. It felt like what the screen size of phones "should be".
I'll get straight to the point; as of this current version of Android (2.2) that I evaluated, and especially the Android Marketplace, it is not on par with iOS and App Store. All my experience with it did was make me have a greater respect for iOS and App Store. Apple is clearly ahead of the game as far as mobile OS's are concerned.
Without going out on a completely negative note, I think Android and Marketplace have great potential, but Google needs to garner stronger platform support from big game/app publishers. Google then needs to hire indie game developers and form a Google Mobile Games division, and crank out quality games like Gameloft does on App Store. Google doesn't need a completely closed ecosystem to thrive, but it does need some degree of one to gain more support from the mobile development community.
Android phones are competent competitors with the iPhone, in fact; the one I got is actually amazing. However, there is one major flaw that has nothing to do with the phones themselves, or even the Android OS- it's that the Android Marketplace needs to mature with the presence of big game/app publishers. Sure there are a lot of "free apps", but I'm not looking for a bunch of free trial versions of things, I want to buy awesome games, and cool productivity apps. I can count on 1 hand all the good ones I had found, literally.
I have seen some demonstrations of Android 3.0 (honeycomb), it looks impressive, except there was what appeared to be problems with performance. They were showing a Kindle book, flipping through pages, and it was painfully slow to respond. I am very interested to see how the launch for the Xoom goes, and will definitely check one out. My perspective still is, that even if the Xoom is a truly remarkable device, and even if Android 3.0 is the best mobile OS ever, the Android Marketplace as it stands now, is unremarkable, and that is a deal breaker for me personally.
EOF personal opinions.
First off, I'm on MacRumors.com because well- I'm an all Apple gadget & Mac person (at home), but 2 weeks ago I decided that had to see what all the Android hype was about. So I actually bought an HTC EVO 4G with Android 2.2 (Froyo) and HTC sense just to see for myself. By the way, it is a fantastic phone with a beautiful large screen. The first thing I thought was I really hope the iPhone 5 has a big screen like this. It felt like what the screen size of phones "should be".
I'll get straight to the point; as of this current version of Android (2.2) that I evaluated, and especially the Android Marketplace, it is not on par with iOS and App Store. All my experience with it did was make me have a greater respect for iOS and App Store. Apple is clearly ahead of the game as far as mobile OS's are concerned.
Without going out on a completely negative note, I think Android and Marketplace have great potential, but Google needs to garner stronger platform support from big game/app publishers. Google then needs to hire indie game developers and form a Google Mobile Games division, and crank out quality games like Gameloft does on App Store. Google doesn't need a completely closed ecosystem to thrive, but it does need some degree of one to gain more support from the mobile development community.
Android phones are competent competitors with the iPhone, in fact; the one I got is actually amazing. However, there is one major flaw that has nothing to do with the phones themselves, or even the Android OS- it's that the Android Marketplace needs to mature with the presence of big game/app publishers. Sure there are a lot of "free apps", but I'm not looking for a bunch of free trial versions of things, I want to buy awesome games, and cool productivity apps. I can count on 1 hand all the good ones I had found, literally.
I have seen some demonstrations of Android 3.0 (honeycomb), it looks impressive, except there was what appeared to be problems with performance. They were showing a Kindle book, flipping through pages, and it was painfully slow to respond. I am very interested to see how the launch for the Xoom goes, and will definitely check one out. My perspective still is, that even if the Xoom is a truly remarkable device, and even if Android 3.0 is the best mobile OS ever, the Android Marketplace as it stands now, is unremarkable, and that is a deal breaker for me personally.
EOF personal opinions.
well... partially it is. people who bought a ton of apps on ipad 1, will still be able to use those apps on ipad 2, and then there would be new apps that use the new specs.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
But the thing is, Apple had a chance to go that route with the *iPad1*. And they didn't.
I think Apple knows that what the "Apple Faithful" wants or does not want is irrelevant. They try to make devices with widespread appeal. Their goal is not to please their existing fanbase, but to widen their customer base.
Personally, if Apple came out with an "iPad2" that didn't run existing iOS apps, I doubt I would buy it. I'd wait and see if enough software came out for it. Actually, that's kind of how I feel about Android tablets at the moment. They are unproven, both in hardware and software, so I'm not running out and preordering any. I'm waiting and seeing how things go. But the iPad, I did preorder without having seen one, because I knew exactly what to expect -- I'd had an iPod touch for three years, and the iPad would be a big iPod touch. I think Apple was really smart to keep the iPad as similar to an iPod/iPhone as they could. I think it really helped people be more confident in purchasing iPads than if the iPad were so different from the iPod/iPhone that you weren't sure how things would work on it. Like with Android, Honeycomb seems so different from previous Android phones, I'm wondering how well things would actually work. With the iPad, there was none of that.
Agree with you.
Having experienced Android 2.2 and having used Honeycomb for the last 3 weeks on my Nook Color, whilst it has nice elements it still has all the pitfalls of Android that you describe, all of which make me appreciate iOS
I commented on your rudeness. I'll leave it at that for now. Try to be more respectful in the future.
I paid $599 for my iPad. I know people that paid $499. Others have bought referbs or eBay specials and paid even less. So it's $200-$300 + to down grade to the Xoom when it finally gets released.
Can't disagree more especially about the TV part. I am a long time home theater person and OAR or nothing.
I think many of the problems you have with the android marketplace is the fact that it is not the app store. Now let me explain, you have been using the app store for sometime and have many apps you like and are comfortable with how it looks and works. Well I had an android handset before I ever used the app store. I got used to how it works and to this day I still prefer the android market design. Matter of personal preference.
I am not sure what you are looking for as far as productivity. The game part I know I am in the minorty but I could care less about games on my phone or tablet. And saying because things are free they are just trials. The android marketplace has many very solid free apps where most things that are worth anything you must pay for in the app store.
To be fair there were so many media outlets railing hard against the iPad as soon as it was announced. In fact, I'd say the reactions were way more negative then positive in the beginning.