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iPad Drives Apple to Perch Atop List of Top-Selling PC Manufacturers

dgree03 said:
Code? Full Photoshop suite? Have 2 simultaneous windows open? Run multiple operating systems? Use Office suite? Share data between all programs? Manage the OS file system? Attach and photo to an email while being in my email program?
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"some" PC's can't be used to write code. Are they a PC ?
"some" PC's can't run Photoshop. Are they a PC ?
PC's don't even have a screen. You have to buy a "monitor"
iWork apps runs pretty good on the iPad. I use them all the time.
"share data between all programs"- Thats a loaded one. Copy and Paste.
Modern day PC's tend to manage the OS file system themselves.

You got me on attaching a photo while being in the mail program but the iPad can send a photo AND include text from the photo library itself.

The iPad is a new form of PC. Plain and simple. And as the OS evolves it will become more of a modern day PC.
 
leroypants said:
Why is Sony makers of the PS3 and PSP PC, and Microsoft makers of the xbox 360 PC not included?
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Why would they be? :confused:

The classification of the iPad here isn't based on technical ability, it's based on consumer usage trends.

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mutantteenager said:
If it helps Apple in any way, the ipad is a PC...or a vacuum cleaner, a walrus or a pair of golf shoes...
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We can label it anything we like. It won't change what's happening.
 
Boatboy24 said:
If the iPad is a PC, why isn't the iPhone?
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Some of you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. People seem to have a hard time empathizing with the average user.

Why would smartphones be included? The iPad has a much larger screen, more capable apps, and is far more comfy and intimate to use. It's delightful, really, so much so that users are trying to find excuses to use it for more and more activities.

That is all there is to it.
 
*LTD* said:
Some of you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be.

Why would smartphones be included? The iPad has a much larger screen, more capable apps, and is far more comfy and intimate to use. It's delightful, really, so much so that users are trying to find excuses to use it for more and more activities.

That is all there is to it.
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What if the phone had a 4 inch screen? :D
 
Yuuup!

Direct from Wikipedia....

"A computer is a programmable machine designed to automatically carry out a sequence of arithmetic or logical operations."

So yes, by definition of a computer, the iPad IS a computer.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
*LTD* said:
It doesn't matter.

Drop the search for concrete definitions, they're limiting your thinking.
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Like I said earlier.

linux2mac said:
What is going on here? Waiting for the Android folks to offer explanations. This can't be true. Windows and Android are not bags of malware, have stable and robust OS, and perfect in design. Anyone? Hello? :rolleyes:

Edit: Spoke too soon. Looks like they are already trickling in to correct us Apple folks on our misunderstanding of Apple's superior products and success.
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ABernardoJr said:
Again, you're arbitrarily determining points that define a PC. Is there some sort of checklist of compatibilities and requirements that must be met in order for something to qualify? Or is it just that those things are what *you* think constitute a PC?
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No...

1)I am not arbitrarily coming up with my own points...PC has been pretty well defined for about 25 years.

2)As I mentioned, this topic, with the hundreds of examples that can be given, is best talked about...not written in some small discussion thread with everyone jumping in at once and only having text to help the disussion.

3)If you want a few more examples of what an iPad CANNOT do that a PC (as been defined for a long time) can easily do, here are a few more in addition to my previous list...after this, I am not giving tons of more examples:

a)cannot print...oh, unless you count the 8 magical printers out of the thousands.
b)does not have standard i/o interfaces such as USB
c)non-replaceable battery (compared to PC laptops)
d)completely non self-serviceable (ram, drive, general cleaning, etc)
e)cannot be expandable using standard external devices like USB Flash, USB hard drives, USB camera...any and all expansion is Apple proprietary
f)I cannot SAVE any of my files in any kind of standard, file system. Besides, all I can truly save on my iPad is MP3 (via iTunes syncing) and picture/video...no Word docs...no PDF files...etc.



What matters is NOT the similarities between an iPad and it's traditional laptop/desktop PC cousin...what matters are the DIFFERENCES...if the differences are vast (in my belief they are), then the 2 categories are not equal. Just like passenger cars are not passenger trucks....similar, though. Or that hammers has many subcategories.

As the world lives on, sure, the definition of PC will change, SLOWLY, over time.
 
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*LTD* said:
Some of you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. People seem to have a hard time empathizing with the average user.

Why would iPads be included? The iMac has a much larger screen, more capable apps, and is far more comfy and intimate to use. It's delightful, really, so much so that users are trying to find excuses to use it for more and more activities.

That is all there is to it.
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Fixed for you ;)
 
Padraig said:
As someone on Engadget commented....

McDonalds is the largest PC manufacturer if you include Big Macs.

Honestly, Apple do well enough without having to pad their numbers.
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when you can troll in macrumors with your big mac, then its a personal computer.

until then a big mac is just so much fat in your mouth.
 
jameslmoser said:
I am not trying to start a flame ware here... but I am very curious what will happen when Microsoft releases Windows 8, a full blown true multitasking OS and a hardware partner actually makes a tablet that looks nice and perform reasonably well. Will the iPad still dominate the "tablet" market? Right now there really isn't a tablet with an OS that could really challenge the desktop or even notebook/laptop. The iPad is a media consumption device, like the ipod touch. Not much of a creation device. Other than a larger screen factor it is virtually the same thing, but you don't generally see people saying the iPod touch is a PC.
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You do recall that Microsoft and partners have tried for the last decade to sell "a tablet that looks nice and perform(s) reasonably well?"

Many people conveniently forget that Apple didn't create a new market, they just created a device that fulfilled the nascent market requirements.
 
Apple Care said:
You do recall that Microsoft and partners have tried for the last decade to sell "a tablet that looks nice and perform(s) reasonably well?"

Many people conveniently forget that Apple didn't create a new market, they just created a device that fulfilled the nascent market requirements.
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They might as well have created the market.
 
ericinboston said:
Although this whole "is an iPad a PC?" discussion is best for a live, person-to-person chat rather than a textual discussion board, my vote is the iPad is far from a PC...for a few reasons:

1)You are not free to install ANY software you wish...you must go through an Apple sanctioned service WHILE also registering your name/email to even get there in the first place.

2)Development on the iPad is again closed-looped...can only be done on a Mac...and gee...what is a Mac?

3)Until recently, the iPad wouldn't even turn on until connected to a PC.

4)Why must an iPad "sync" with anything?

All my above points show that the iPad is quite dependent on true PCs and is not very "open" to typical software development.
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An iPad is very open to software development. Xcode plus the signing keys are only $5 + $99, which is much cheaper than the first C compilers for the Mac or the iBM PC (I know because I purchased these tools). Thus I have lots of stuff on my iPad that isn't from the App store. Were the Mac and PC computers or not, just because one had to purchase some of the compiler tools?

Mac apps originally had to be developed on a Lisa. There are also a dozen programming language tools available for the iPad from the App store.

My MacBook Air requires a connection to a bunch of Apple servers to update the OS and many of the apps. Is it a personal computer or not, just because it depends on other bigger computers for updates and email and google searches?
 
My Next laptop will be a Macbook Pro, you can count on that. i have the HP Envy 14, and im sick of the Windows Software.



I'm getting a Mac next time, and if i'm going to, then i think many people are going to do the same thing too.

BRACE YOURSELVES, APPLE IS RISING!

ps. im getting the new ipad 3 too. ^^
 
Ryth said:
To me, what you are describing is a WORK COMPUTER which is needed to do higher end computing and graphic design taks, programming tasks, etc.

What the iPad falls under to me is a PERSONAL COMPUTER...which is what an everyday person has at home. Most use their personal computer for getting on the internet, checking/replying to emails, social media, watching videos, listening to music, watching movies, playing mid level games.

Of course there are home power users and home HC game players that need a more powerful machine.

There are obviously the managers and higher ups that could get by with an iPad because they aren't really doing much work other then managerial things which the iPad handles just fine.

Now mind you, everyday more companies are hiring programmers to make Apps specific to their business for the iPad which then blurs the line more between work machines and tablets.
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Hmmm.... No! My "Personal Computer" at home is used for playing online games which need a lot of graphic power and RAM you cannot squeeze into a tablet without loosing significant quality. It cannot have a second window open with my PTT chat open, an instruction page, forum, all on two monitors at once. It might be that the ARM gets better, having quadcores on the A6 as rumored, but they are far from a hexacore or octocore processor supporting all kinds of calculations on-die plus a graphics card having even more transistors than the CPU. For quite some more years, that is not gonna happen. Why? Because the AMD, Intel, and NVidia aren't sleeping either. Their progression will boost PC (nontablet) into realms of realism even an "Retina" iPad cannot compute on that level.

As I stated earlier, iPad is for consumers only using the iPad as a gadget. It is not a gaming PC. Look as 1st person games: Even though I don't really play them anymore, how the heck can you tell me can you navigate, aim, and move on a touch screen? Setting aside you use valuable screen real estate for the steering, it is not precise enough to make it realistic. Not comparable to keyboard and mouse.
 
firewood said:
An iPad is very open to software development. Xcode plus the signing keys are only $5 + $99, which is much cheaper than the first C compilers for the Mac or the iBM PC (I know because I purchased these tools). Thus I have lots of stuff on my iPad that isn't from the App store. Were the Mac and PC computers or not, just because one had to purchase some of the compiler tools?

Mac apps originally had to be developed on a Lisa. There are also a dozen programming language tools available for the iPad from the App store.

My MacBook Air requires a connection to a bunch of Apple servers to update the OS and many of the apps. Is it a personal computer or not, just because it depends on other bigger computers for updates and email and google searches?
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1)As far as I am aware, all apps for the iPad must live in the App Store...free or for a fee. I cannot surf to a website and simply download a software title and install it...such as traditional shareware/freeware/trialware.

2)Personal Computers, for over a decade now, have been getting OS and App UPDATES via the internet...why? Because it's a lot faster than ordering a cd/dvd and waiting for it to come in the mail...and it's free (no shipping costs for the cd/dvd).
 
dgree03 said:
I think the confusion comes from the fact that the iPad even after it became "PC Free" is still far more limited than even the lowest laptop "category" (Netbooks)
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I know MANY MANY people (young and tech savvy too) who gave away/sold their laptop and now use only the iPad exclusively. I use my iPad at least 6 hours a day. I use my laptop maybe 30 minutes a month.
 
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