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Oh sweet Maria here we go again, another 500-post thread debating whether or not the iPad is a computer. :rolleyes:
 
It lacks the basal tablet function of being able to hand scribe onto the screen! Until this feature is implemented you can hardly compare it to real functioning tablet computers.

Handwriting recognition has been a comparative market failure, as well as a technical failure The only successful top selling tablet computers (PalmPilots, iPod Touches and iPads) have not used cursive HWR.
 
I love how Wang based his prediction of iPad market share on the fact that Android phone sales (available on all carriers), exceeded iPhone sales (available on limited carriers) at a time when iPhone production had ceased in order to clear inventory and prepare for production of the iPhone 4.
 
And that is, of course, the real heart of an Apple product .. the user experience both in the hardware and software. Sure, they don't always get it right but they try very hard and that why it is usually a pleasure to use an Apple product.

For my needs the only advantage the Andriod tablet has over the iPad is the host USB connection and file system access. I wish it were as graceful as the iPad but even so it will still live in my camera bag for the foreseeable future.

My MacBook Pro is simply the loveliest piece of tech I've every owned (so far!) .. my iPad 3G comes a very close second though and my iPod touch a 3rd .. ooh and my "Classic" iPod a 4th

My 12" PowerBook (G4, Aluminum - six or so years old) still still alive and kicking. It will even do Photoshop in a pinch. It is almost small enough to fit in my camera bag but still much larger than a tablet.

(EyeTV viewing on the iPad is great)

How are you using EyeTV with the iPad? I'm not up on their offerings and this sounds pretty sweet.
 
It lacks the basal tablet function of being able to hand scribe onto the screen! Until this feature is implemented you can hardly compare it to real functioning tablet computers.

True, its way better than any tablet computer before it, there really is no comparison :D
 
Oh sweet Maria here we go again, another 500-post thread debating whether or not the iPad is a computer. :rolleyes:

Here's the summary:

- Technology has advanced so far that a $5 toy can contain a microprocessor in the corner (or more than one of them) more powerful than a $5M computer that once filled an entire large room.
- Because of this, consumers don't call a lot of things computers that are actually (programmable, Turing-complete, etc.) computers.
- Consumers will also buy a lot of things that they might not call computers to do a lot of the same stuff for which they used to buy things that they called computers.

So who cares that many consumers don't know what a computer is, and aren't educated enough to recognize one if it bit them in the arse. If enough of them buy X (iMac, iPhone, iPad, iTV) to do Y (web, media, spreadsheet, casual game, etc.), that's where the money goes, even if they call it "Jìsuànjī", or whatever.
 
Apple restrict what applications can you run.

If SJ's minions (Spelling ) decide an application shouldn't be on the iPad then it'll never appear, and thus, reducing what the user can do ( unless you of course you jail beak ).

IMHO this is a plus for the app store. With Apple approving apps, viruses are really unheard of. Only the geekboys whine about the Apple approval process. 99% of everybody else is fine with living virus free and buying the approved apps.

In as far as reducing what the user can do, are there really many apps doing something on Android that can't be done on an iPlatform device.

Remember the Android app that copied personal information and sent it to China? The Chinese government thanks you for this information.

So far, the only thing I see Android doing better than Apple is they capitalized the correct letter in their name!
 
And ignoring marketing spin, have you actually talked to engineers and computer scientists inside that company about what the device in question really is? They seem to be answering a lot of basic computer software and computer networking questions on the iOS Developer support boards.
Yes, I actually run into Apple engineers all the time as I live within five miles of 1 Infinite Loop.

And guess what? You can't ignore their marketing spin. It's Apple. The marketing guys call the shots at Apple.
 
I guess my iMac isn't a computer either since I have to plug it to the internets to get the constant OSX updates... :)
 
Whether an iPad is considered a computer or not, what I do know, is that I find myself using the iPad in places and times that I normally would never use a laptop to do things that I would normally do on a computer be it a laptop or desktop. Take for example this past week. I was out on my brother's boat in the middle of a fairly large lake remotely administering computers at work halfway around the world. :)

...and the iPad will only get better and more powerful as more software is designed for it.

I think we're witnessing iPod Part II here.
Agree. It seems very similar in many regards to the iPod's introduction.

Of course, because before iPad was released all other tablet maker had nothing to copy
That's true! :D

Oh sweet Maria here we go again, another 500-post thread debating whether or not the iPad is a computer. :rolleyes:
Yep! :rolleyes:
 
The marketing guys call the shots at Apple.

It seems more like it's the lawyers who call the shots about what Apple engineers can say in public... and talk about a profession with an even more bizarre set of terminology.

But, still, in the labs and off the record at WWDC, the engineers sometimes say interesting things...
 
Killers

I love it when people make dire predictions about Apple gear. Thankfully McR avoids most of that.

Nothing Apple makes is good enough, microsoft enough, cheap enough, or hunky enough for everybody. But the charts predict significant sales for things that don't even exist yet. We shall see.

iPhone killers have failed to kill the iPhones.
iPod killers have failed to kill iPods.
iTunes killers have failed to kill iTunes.
iPad killers will fail to kill iPads.

Funny that nobody ever bothered to create a headline about Apple TV killers...
 
...We shall see.

iPhone killers have failed to kill the iPhones.
iPod killers have failed to kill iPods.
iTunes killers have failed to kill iTunes.
iPad killers will fail to kill iPads.

It took Microsoft, HP and Apple together 8 to 10 years to kill off PalmPilots. And iPods sales are finally on the decline after an over 8 year run. So I expect there to be an iPad killer, but it's certainly not going to be next year. Apple just has too big a head start in device appropriate UI design, developers, apps, accessory vendors, media deals, and relationships with the necessary super high volume component suppliers. Not even counting their "magical" mindshare.

As noted, it took Microsoft and HP, together, around 8 years before they put together a small pen tablet product that outsold Palm (on the Palm forums, the trolls always claimed it was next quarters product). Maybe now, HP, with their own vertical software/hardware integration, and without the MS legacy drag, can get traction in this new market a few years faster.
 
LOL. Had to laugh at this line:

The iPad is a computer in tablet format.

The iPad is hardly a computer.

Too bad I can't send you back in a time machine to where you had to submit punched card decks to an IBM 360 mainframe to run your programs, and let you tell me which computing experience you prefer.
 
SO wrong in SO many ways... actually, Joe Consumer DOES consider it a computer because it does everything they need it do to (they don't need a full blown desktop just to answer emails, surf the web and youtube and update their Facebook which is what the majority of "Joe Consumers" use their computers for.)

This is exactly so. I am considering an iPad for international travel due to its size and due to the fact that I don't do anything while traveling that requires the use of more than email access, basic WP and web access. Lugging my laptop around in such cases is a fairly huge hassle. For my uses, the low-end iPad would be perfectly suitable.
 
So? Should I care?

Stick to the actual point...

The point is the iPad, iPhone and iPod touch are all computers. They have CPUs, memory, execute programs, have an OS (though that's not strictly necessary for a computer to be a computer) and so forth. It does not matter what Apple marketing calls them......and it really does not matter what use consumers put them to....they are still computers. Hardly worth arguing over though. As always, individual semantics may vary but are generally not relevant to the definition. Shoot, the low-end iPad blows away my first few generations of PCs (Apple ][+, Amigas, early Macs) in every metric as well as blowing away the mainframe and minis in use when I was in grad school.
 
wow. it looks like apple might have hit gold again! we shall see. i think the next version needs a camera
With the way that the iPad is selling, I'm sure Apple will be improving the iPad in the future.

If you mean a front facing camera, then I agree. It would be very handy to communicate for many.
 
Oh sweet Maria here we go again, another 500-post thread debating whether or not the iPad is a computer. :rolleyes:

LOL who gives a damn, really??

All I know is, that whatever it is, every time I'm in the store and start using it, I can barely manage to put it down!

It's an out-and-out joy to use, and that's all that really matters. They can lump it into whatever category the please. It is what it is and it's superb at what it does.
 
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