1GB data plan = FAIL
I thought AT&T's crappy 2gb plan was bad but apparently there's always more room at the bottom of the barrel
Ummm....AT&T's 200MB for $15 is FAR worse.
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Ummm....AT&T's 200MB for $15 is FAR worse.
Been saying it for years on MacRumors... The iPad will be the first product to utilize Verizon's Network. This MiFi ordeal is not what the consumer is looking for...
We want a Verizon iPhone & iPad... and equip it with LTE. Then, you will see Apple having a better relationship with Verizon than with AT&T!
Would not be surprised one bit to see the CDMA chips go into the iPad for a January release instead of a Verizon iPhone...
We want a Verizon iPhone & iPad... and equip it with LTE. Then, you will see Apple having a better relationship with Verizon than with AT&T!
Would not be surprised one bit to see the CDMA chips go into the iPad for a January release instead of a Verizon iPhone...
Could start that way, but I doubt it. iPad will go LTE and iPhone CDMA. That's my prediction anyway.
My guess on the MiFi solution is that Apple was in a rush to get these things in the stores, faster than they would be able to develop a CDMA modem. Kind of like the GSM iPad, we're gonna see WiFi first, 3G or 4G unit later.
The contract of AT&T & Apple on the exclusivity still remains present till...
If Apple & Verizon were/are teaming-up for a release, why would they not have been doing their R&D on the iPad since there is no foreseeable contract(s) breach. Do you think these two companies aren't looking to do business - these two companies will find a way to profit, trust me. Technology is not the biggest factor in the debate of Apple not wanting to develop a Verizon iPhone. It would take them no time to develop a Verizon iPhone and even less with an iPad.
I see a new iPad being released in January with a camera/video and possibly on the Verizon network. No MiFi BS this time.
I hope for a Verizon iPhone coming soon as I think it has the best Market Opportunity for either of the devices. Maybe this June... Maybe June of 2012...
By June of 2012, LTE from Verizon may be close to full deployment. The Verizon 4G(LTE) infrastructure will be the best on earth, and AT&T will be years behind. Hi Apple... Do you like me now!!!
You are kidding right? Distance is always a factor between a radio receiver and transmitter. Trivial experiment to try with WifI. Go to 1 ft. away from wifi base stations and measure bandwidth. then go 60 ft. and measure bandwidth.
Not that Apple's phones didn't have a contributing factor to the problem, but ATT followed the same rat hole that man Euro sites did with using the upper bands to distribute 3G rather than the lower bands.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10271450-94.html
"Because the 850MHz spectrum is at the low end of the frequency band, it is able to travel longer distances and penetrate walls more easily than signals on the 1900MHz band. "
When EDGE (and then 3G) rolled out in Europe they commonly went 1900MHz for that service. If the iPhone is tuned more for that frequency than the other quad band channels it will won't preform as well. The iPhone was tuned for EDGE in the upper bands.
Optimal 850MHz tower placement is not optimal 1900MHz tower placement. It is also likely easier to place towers in much of EU ( as opposed to here where any yahoo with a ambulance chasing lawyer can tie up a tower placement for years. )
The European phones work because can cover same quad band that iPhones and ATT network does, but also are tuned to make better use out of all four bands not just the specific ones that ATT uses.
P.S. GSM and CDMA are not IEEE standards. "3G" is a ITU standard. CDMA is yet another body. GSM is run by a European standard org.
Apple isn't in a rush. That is the wrong characterization. All of the recent placements in Wal-mart , target , ATT , Verizon were extremely likely suppose to happen many months ago. Apple grossly misjudged iPad demand. These deals likely have been in place since Dec-Feb last year. There were no iPads to ship these vendors. That's why didn't happen earlier. The Verizon MiFi thing could have happened back in May/June (when international shipments started ) if there had been enough to go around.
Apple is late getting these distributions in place. They are barely going to get all these active before the Holiday sales season .
Doubt neither Verizon nor Apple was looking to get a CDMA/LTE unit out before iPad v2 . The MiFi thing is just a stop gap sure Verizon would have been happy to ride during while iPad rode the "Gotta have it, tickle-elmo , cabbage doll , etc. super hot gift ." wave. Every large retailer on the planet wants to sell a red-hot device if it makes any sense to put it in their store. If nothing else it generates foot traffic through your store.
With iPad v2 looming relatively close after Holiday sales season they can spread the risk of holding iPad v1 inventory over more retailers as the ver 1 lifecycle comes to an end. While the iPad was super white hot they blocked retail competition. Now that it is cooling off slightly they will spread it around.
Verizon doesn't need more CDMA only data traffic. That's way doing some deal under duress with Apple for iPad didn't make sense. They can cover short term with the MiFi band-aid. It is much better for Verizon if the put a large uptick in data traffice on a different network, LTE. Skipping Apple's version 1.0 which is under "you can only lock this in a room with super max prison security around it" probably wasn't worth the drama for Verizon.
At this point in time CDMA/GSM/LTE modems are pretty widely tested by the vendors. (the CDMA/GSM ones are used commonly ). It would have been apparent a year ago that it would much easier to get Apple to include one for version 2 than trying to press them to put one in for version 1.
Ok, distance relative to frequency yes, but that wasn't mentioned in previous posts. I'll have to read your references some more to fully understand and respond intelligently.
At least we agree that the MiFi was a stop-gap. And yes, the other distribution deals were likely already in place. Apple has had trouble fulfilling orders. Still not sure the Verizon solution wasn't more recent.
ATT won't be years behind. They will probably hold an edge in a select of secondary cities/locations where they aren't still dependent upon EDGE for data traffic where Verizon is still only has EV-DO signal. Verizon won't be close to full deployment by 2012.
It is going to take much longer to cover the next 100 million folks than it did the first 100 million because as polish off the highly populated areas have to start hitting the more sparse ones. That means many more towers than had to modify than for the first 1/3 of US population. Likewise, the last 1/3 will take even longer.
Perhaps better put that Verizon wouldn't be behind on peak bandwidth. They may not be getting peak LTE data rates in every day usage but they probably won't be worse than ATT's UTMS+ . Verizon will likely be getting better coverage inside of buidings and in highly populated cells ( were folks congregate for some reason from time to time: convention , parade, etc. ]
Verizon will be head because they won't have to do another major capital deployment for longer than ATT will. Verizon will have skipped EDGE, 3.0G (UTMS) , 3.5G UTMS+ and jumped straight to 3.9G (LTE).
You tell me where AT&T is & will be with LTE deployment...
Here's Verizon - http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2010/10/Technology-Verizon-Details-Launch-Plans-LTE/
"Verizon Wireless took the lid off plans for its nationwide LTE network launch Wednesday at the CTIA Enterprise & Applications show, unveiling 38 cities and 110 million people the network will cover by the end of the year. That's 70 percent of the U.S. population."
With the tiered data prices & throttled service that are coming out now 4G seems more like a marketing gimmick then an actual improvement.
Not to mention the battery life of 3G vs 4G.
Re-read the text you bolded from my quote smarty... Some of us knew the tablet was in production for a couple years all while not knowing the name of the iPad. Sweet Post Quadra, reading comprehension is not your forte.
4G(LTE) Technology could transform the entire game. Sprint's 4G is not LTE, and is without question a marketing ploy... that is for sure! Verizon has been laying out LTE which will increase data speeds faster than you've ever experienced. Look for 2011 being the year you start to notice the Market.
The speed for mobile phones & devices will make such an impact that your home internet could potentially be losing interest in many markets around the states. As the data speeds become faster on mobile devices, the more usage will go up as well, especially when the largest network deploys LTE technology, and then AT&T following up a year or two later.
Internet will soon be a demand for most who are 24/7 on the go. Having no limitations on your mobile device is a game changer... you watch! The tiered rates for 4G is something for now, I am going to wait & see, but it is/was going to happen in due time in my opinion.