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In particular an Avionics article suggest companies are hard at work to make iPad's usable as flight instrument, although it will not replace certified instruments.

This effort to "synthetic vision" in iOS could make iPad's and iPhone's the preferred GPS device no matter what it is riding in.

Thanks a bunch for that link, @PracicalMac.

The App Store page for Hilton Software's WingX Pro for iPad is here.

The ForeFlight App seems to have a lot less functionality, but is still quite impressive.

The $200/year subscription cost for the Hilton Software data might sound expensive to non-pilot iPad users, but that is a tremendous cost savings to existing solutions. The guys making high-ticket avionics for small aircraft must be getting very unhappy right now.

My biggest question: how do you make sure that a weekend pilot doesn't get over-reliant on something like WingX Pro?
 
The cover story of the September/October edition of Business Aviation Insider is The Departure of Paper: The Arrival of iPads. I noticed one error in the article: it says, "The iPad wall and cigarette lighter chargers are 10 volts – specific to that unit." That should read 10 watts.

The article mentions the site www.aviatorapps.com. It's a list of apps with links to the app store: the listings in Arn's www.appshopper.com are much better, but aviatorapps.com does give a list of apps.

The National Business Aviation Association's convention is in early October in Vegas. The program schedule includes a general iPad session and a Jeppeson Aviation session to "deep-dive" through their Mobile FliteDeck App (those are the words Jepp used in the program). There's no mention of any other tablet computers in their program; this appears to be a market that Apple completely dominates.
 
The cover story of the September/October edition of Business Aviation Insider is The Departure of Paper: The Arrival of iPads. I noticed one error in the article: it says, "The iPad wall and cigarette lighter chargers are 10 volts – specific to that unit." That should read 10 watts.

That's amazing!
Two of the biggest aviation publicans have headline articles!
AOPA and NBAA have membership in the hundreds of thousands of individuals and over tens of thousands of companies combined.


Found an EAA report on Hilton Software synthetic vision for iPad; impressive!

iPad used as Glass cockpit in 2012? Maybe even 2011!
A very real possibility.


The Bureau of (US) Labor Statistics list over 100,000 commercial pilots in the US alone, but that does not list private and corporate pilots, nor the multitudes of international commercial airlines and companies, and stewards that could also be equipped with iPad's (such as British Airways did).


This is from last year, but Plane & Pilot did an article in July of 2010. Yes, that is right, JULY of 2010!, 4 months after the first iPad hit the market, incredibly fast for the aviation world.

Speaking of fast, this little note from Fast Company.
 
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A programatic challenge to apps in iOS 5

In this week's episode of the podcast Build and Analyze (iTunes podcast link here; subscribe or get episode 45 manually), Marco Ament notes an interesting dilemma WRT app data storage on iOS 5. That segment starts at 58:00 of the podcast. Note: when Marco talks about "4.0" he is referring to the 4.0 release of his product Instapaper. Here's a brief summary of the dilemma:

  1. The main two places to store files are the app-specific document directory and the caches directory.
  2. Pre-iOS 5, files stored in the documents directory were backed up in iTunes. App developers (including Instapaper) refrained from putting files in the document directory to keep from slowing down backups. Instead, they'd put them in the caches directory, which was never really treated by devs like a tmp directory. In iOS4 and earlier, the caches directory was never ever purged. It became a place to put files that never really needed to be backed up.
  3. With iOS 5, things have changed. The documents directory is expected to be backed up to the cloud. (Marco notes that only documents flagged by the app will actually be backed up, and he is doing none of that in Instapaper.) OTOH, in iOS5, the caches directories can be purged. When the device is low on disk space, caches are on the list of places to find files to delete; cache directories are no longer a safe place for developers to leave data files. That's a problem for apps like Instapaper that store their data in the cache directories.
  4. The obvious solution seems to be to put the data back in to the documents directory. Unfortunately, since that dir is intended to be sync-ready, Apple has started rejecting apps that put too much data in the documents directory. According to the Apple directive, "Anything that can be regenerated or re-downloaded by the app cannot go in the documents directory." Apple directs that such data should be put into the volatile caches directories.
  5. For Instapaper, that is a bit of a problem: the guidelines don't seem to anticipate apps that download files for offline viewing.

As Marco reports the problem, Apple didn't seem to anticipate the class of apps whose very functionality requires that large amounts of data be available for offline viewing. All of the aviation apps that include flight charts would seemingly have exact same dilemma. A reader might be a bit unhappy if his Instapaper reading material got flushed, but a pilot would be mighty unhappy to find his charts missing at 30,000 feet. :eek:

Marco believes that data in the app-specific document directory is only synced to the cloud if the programmer flags that that they be synchronized. In other words, Instapaper would never ever tax the services of Apple's cloud server. With his app, data should make a one-way trip from the Instapaper servers to the device; users would delete files they no longer wanted.

For flight charts, the charts should make a one-way trip from the chart vendor to the device. Obsolete charts would be deleted by the updating program. There is no value in storing a copy of the charts in Apple's iCloud servers.

Apple seems to be missing the target: they don't want to stop programs from storing important data on the device; they need to be minimizing extraneous use of the cloud for backing up data that needs no backup.

This is a fascinating story from Marco's podcast (Thanks!). From my understanding, no pilots should be using their iPads as a mission-critical device for navigation. On the other hand, there appears to be a disconnect between Apple's iOS 5 storage specs and applications that must be able to store a large amount of offline data. This is one of the large potential pitfalls for using a general-purpose device in applications for which it was never designed. It is not an insurmountable problem, but I hope that the vendors of flight charts for iPads have already been in communication with Apple about this problem.

There's a second question: should pilots dedicate an iPad solely for aviation uses, or should they feel comfortable using the same device for everyday applications, too? I'm wondering how the commercial carriers are dealing with that question, and I'm curious if the vendors of aviation software advise private pilots about other uses.

Update: Users that don't update to iOS 5 immediately may also see impact from this change. If developers have moved data from the caches directory to the app's document directory, then all of that data will get backed up to their PCs when they do backups with iTunes.
 
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Thanks for that info Bones!

Apple has now officially recognized the entry of iPads in the cockpit with its Oct 4th 2011 event on iPhones.

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(From Engadget)
 
Thanks for that info Bones!

Apple has now officially recognized the entry of iPads in the cockpit with its Oct 4th 2011 event on iPhones.

Schools. Airplanes. Hospitals. Pretty cool.

I sent a note to the editors about Marco's podcast. I fondly hope that winds up as an iOS Blog or Front Page article after the brouhaha of the announcement dies down.

I'm also interested if the Business Aviation convention coverage next week picks up on these questions and asks the vendors about them.
 
Sporty's Pilot shop is planning a Webinar on using the iPad in the cockpit sometime in future (TBD)

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Flying with the iPad: Apps & Accessories TBA 8:00pm ET Bret Koebbe
 
Interesting.

For me, it's been hit or miss so far, WinX has some weird gaps in maps. Foreflight seems better, but has unreliable zoom. Flight planning is pretty good. I am getting a Bluetooth gps tomorrow and will try it out with my solo cross country on saturday morning.

Plane I am using does have Garmin GNS430 connected to VOR1. So you can use CDI and OBS with it. Also it can be connected to autopilot for FMS-like functionality. iPad aviation apps do not have that. So, Saturday will tell how it works for me.
 
According to ForeFlight, Apple released 5.0.1 to create a "do not delete" flag on certain downloadable data.

Goodiware noted the same improvement in their updates history for GoodReader. The MR article about the update noted the probable source for the fix: Marco Arment's reporting about the problem on his blog and the 5by5 podcast.


It's really good for a company using tablets to do a thorough comparison between iOS and Android solutions.
 
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Many predicted this issue before release, shame Apple did not put fix in before live release.

Agreed. The 5.0 release ignored the needs of customers who count on downloaded data to remain available on the device. Since TC called out the Aviation industry in the 10/4 event, they clearly view aviation as an important market.

There are multiple lessons from this gaffe:

1. Apple does indeed make mistakes in software updates. Airlines using iPads should thoroughly test updates before deploying them. Their testing should include a check-off from all vendors to ensure the update behaves properly.

2. Private pilots should take similar measures. If they have no way to test new updates themselves, they should wait for others to shake out OS upgrades. I recommend that private pilots wait at least a month before installing an upgrade.

3. From time to time, there's the claim that some individuals in this forum blindly approve all of Apple's decisions. As an example:

Flash is fine on Macs. All this "Flash is Lame, Flash is 99% web ads, Flash is useless, Flash is <fill in your own negatives fanboys>" is almost entirely because Apple apparently doesn't like Flash today... and some guys think Apple is God. [SNIP]

That is an urban legend. I have never ever met anyone who blindly approves of everything that Apple does, and I've never met a poster here that does. Such arguments about these mythical "fanboys" serve no purpose in an intellectually honest discussion.

By failing to accomodate the use cases for the aviation industry, Apple definitely made a mistake in the iOS 5.0 release. It's a good thing they promptly addressed those problems in 5.01.
 
That is an urban legend. I have never ever met anyone who blindly approves of everything that Apple does, and I've never met a poster here that does. Such arguments about these mythical "fanboys" serve no purpose in an intellectually honest discussion.

Talk to "radiogoober" if he still posts.
 
Talk to "radiogoober" if he still posts.

I'm sorry; that's a No Pass. If you think that someone blindly supports anything and everything that Apple does, the onus is on you to provide the facts supporting that claim. If you can't do that, there's no point in even commenting on your conjecture.

Apparently, you don't know how to tell if a user is actively posting. :(
 
I'm sorry; that's a No Pass. If you think that someone blindly supports anything and everything that Apple does, the onus is on you to provide the facts supporting that claim. If you can't do that, there's no point in even commenting on your conjecture.

Apparently, you don't know how to tell if a user is actively posting. :(

I am in class, so can't really look up, but hey, if you want to look him up, sure.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1272786/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1229292/ (look inside the thread)
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1203277/


Anyway, back to aviation/ipad. FYI, I believe Sporty's did a webinar yesterday on iPads in general aviation. I was not able to attend (Slow WiFi in hotel), but they should have it saved to stream at later date.

There's more
 

I challenged the urban legend perpetuated by hobesounddarryl and others that there exist people who categorically support the opinions of Apple simply because Apple is stating that opinion. Hobe's message I cited shows the way that he states that particular conjecture.

None of those three threads you listed show that radiogoober is doing that. AFAICT, he is dismissing Flash because he thinks that Flash in 2011 is a terrible idea for websites. If you notice any actual statements that you think support your claim, please quote them.
 
Talk to "radiogoober" if he still posts.

lol :)

I've criticized many things Apple. I think their implementation of iCloud across Lion and iOS is messy. Ok, on my iPad its Calendar, but it's iCal on Lion? On one it's Contacts and the other it's Address Book?

Document sharing with iWorks on iCloud SUCKS.

It sucks terribly that you can't delete something from Photo Stream.

Photo syncing between computers and iDevices is a huge mess. How stupid is it that I can't add something to an iPhoto album from my iPad? I can see the stupid album on my iPad, but I can't put a photo into it (and have it magically sync????)

I also think iTunes Match is strange. I paid my $25. I upgraded a few thousand songs to higher bitrate. I haven't even enabled it on my iDevice. Do I need to? If I want a song that I already purchased, cant' I just "repurchaesd" it on my iDevice and it will be free? Or is this match service to download songs that I have on my computer that I didn't purchase from iTunes? I have no idea. I don't regularly change songs on my iPhone/iPad so I'm not really concerned.

I've posted several times that I truly hope Apple spends the next 6-12 months perfecting the iCloud/Lion/iOS experience. I do think that Lion needs to be more of just a giant iPad with a slightly different OS and a keyboard. Quit the discrepancy of naming apps (as mentioned above), etc.

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Re: Flash

I was right. Flash is dead. It took like a year less than we all predicted too. Sure, some websites still run it, but lets be honest, that's legacy code now!

Meanee, interesting my hate of Flash means that I blindly support Apple :) Oh well.
 
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Flash is not dead (on desktops that is).

It is simply returning back to its roots, a great interactive system.

Like USB, Flash (then Shockwave) grew beyond its original intent into an ugly monster.


As to the Sporty's Webinar,
It was interesting and had some good info, more toward the beginners.
They posted it online, will provide link when I find it.

Edit: Here it is: http://www.sportys.com/webinars
 
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Flash is not dead (on desktops that is).

Flash is fine for dedicated apps. With Adobe's new packaging, Flash also works fine in the iOS App Store, Android App Store, etc. Flash was poorly-suited to deliver web content; Adobe's dropping of support for Flash on handhelds should be the last nail in that coffin.

It is simply returning back to its roots, a great interactive system.
Like USB, Flash (then Shockwave) grew beyond its original intent into an ugly monster.

When you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To Flash developers, the web looked like a nail. So many little websites have unnecessary Flash. And Flash-based banner ads are a failure: the only people who see 'em are the folks who don't know about click-to-flash blockers.

As to the Sporty's Webinar,
It was interesting and had some good info, more toward the beginners.
They posted it online, will provide link when I find it.

The "Flying with the iPad: Apps & Accessories" webinar video is viewable on sportys.com/webinars. Sporty's video player is flash-based. Perfect. :D
 
Don't believe the hype.

we can't use them below 10,000 feet because they aren't hard mounted into the flight deck. So pretty much when, if they ever get deployed, we will still be lugging around all our paper for use below 10,000 feet. So much wastefulness.

Supposedly Boeing and corporate engineering 'is on it' :rolleyes:

Sorry if I sound bitter. It's because I am ;)

few reasons why paper manuals are a sore spot for us... our bags weigh about 60 pounds, those black square bags ONLY contain books... all those books are updated, massive updates, by hand, page by page. its horrible and dumbfounding to do in 2011...
 
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