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Should iPad have its own OS?


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There are plenty of weather and calculator apps on the App Store; would you really use your iPad as a flashlight or compass?



The hardware on my iPad Pro is top of the line as far as I can tell; the only real drawback versus my phone is the 1st gen Touch ID sensor, but it's not detrimental to my experience personally. As far as apps go, that's not really Apple's fault but I will say that the iPad has a far better selection of tablet-optimized apps than the competition.

EDIT: I guess Force Touch isn't on the iPad yet either, but I'm not convinced that it's a feature that would dramatically improve the user experience on such a big screen.



I just can't sympathize with this sentiment really. I've never pulled out my iPP and felt like it was a worse experience than my iPhone.
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I haven't used iOS 10 yet at all so I can't speak to that particular issue. I'm confident though that over time Apple will optimize things to make it a more appropriate experience for the big screen devices. Split screen and PiP demonstrate, IMO, that Apple recognizes that there are optimization options that can make iOS work better on a tablet; hopefully they'll continue on that path as things mature.

Can you put that calculator app in the control center?
 
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I haven't used iOS 10 yet at all so I can't speak to that particular issue. I'm confident though that over time Apple will optimize things to make it a more appropriate experience for the big screen devices. Split screen and PiP demonstrate, IMO, that Apple recognizes that there are optimization options that can make iOS work better on a tablet; hopefully they'll continue on that path as things mature.
Here you go. See attached images to see what I'm talking about.

The entire top row, including the brightness slider, are fine, but why are the buttons for AirPlay, Night Shift, AirDrop, Timer, and camera so massive? There's absolutely no reason for them to be that big other than to fill in so much extra space.

Apple could have squeezed those buttons into half the space they take up and used the other half for music controls, and it still wouldn't be crowded. But clearly someone couldn't be bothered putting any effort into the new Control Center UI for iPad, so they just took what they designed for iPhone and made it bigger.
 

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Totally agree and that approach is now showing in their product lines, software, services and the increasingly hollow PR messaging.

Since Cook became CEO, operating and net margins have both dropped (gross margin has stayed the same). Why do you think Apple is focusing on margins at the customer's expense?
 
They're going to keep focusing on iOS for iPhones until the "anniversary" iPhone next year (let's be honest, that's their priority). Once that's released, they'll focus more on the iPad features, likely in 2018 for iOS 12 and the redesigned OLED iPad.
That doesn't make sense, Apple has so many products now that are in dire need of updating and refreshing, Why wait for the iPhone 8 to be out in 2017, just to circle back on the iPad for a 2018 rollout.

Apple should be able to handle multiple product designs at this point in their corporate life cycle, and if they can't, then Cook is doing a bad job. I'm not knocking the iPad Pro, but with their laptop lines languishing and not being updated (15" MBP is still on Haswell) and the iPhone 7 is rumored to be a very low key rollout, I see no reason why Apple should hold back on major improvements on the iPad's user experience (whether hardware or software).

I was tempted for the 12.9" iPad Pro, as my family was wanting one as well, but in the end we passed on it, given the cost and what it can (and cannot) do. I'm not knocking the IPP, but I have found that other products are fitting my needs better and I've largely stopped using my current iPad, never mind getting a newer one.
 
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Apple could have squeezed those buttons into half the space they take up and used the other half for music controls, and it still wouldn't be crowded. But clearly someone couldn't be bothered putting any effort into the new Control Center UI for iPad, so they just took what they designed for iPhone and made it bigger.
I see what you mean; I do like the list of AirPlay systems in the music section, but I can definitely agree that some of that space could have probably been used better. I don't use Night Shift so that big button will be wasted space for me. Does it look the same in landscape?

Still, I'd like to think that optimization for the iPad will continue. It may just be that some of the optimization will happen after the major releases, for whatever reason Apple has chosen to go that way.
 
That doesn't make sense, Apple has so many products now that are in dire need of updating and refreshing, Why wait for the iPhone 8 to be out in 2017, just to circle back on the iPad for a 2018 rollout.

Apple should be able to handle multiple product designs at this point in their corporate life cycle, and if they can't, then Cook is doing a bad job. I'm not knocking the iPad Pro, but with their laptop lines languishing and not being updated (15" MBP is still on Haswell) and the iPhone 7 is rumored to be a very low key rollout, I see no reason why Apple should hold back on major improvements on the iPad's user experience (whether hardware or software).

I was tempted for the 12.9" iPad Pro, as my family was wanting one as well, but in the end we passed on it, given the cost and what it can (and cannot) do. I'm not knocking the IPP, but I have found that other products are fitting my needs better and I've largely stopped using my current iPad, never mind getting a newer one.
I don't see why Apple SHOULD hold back either, but it's pretty obvious that they are. Plenty of examples for this: 1GB of RAM in the iPhone 6 knowing that people would upgrade due to the larger screen and knowing that it should have had 2GB of LPDDR3 RAM, no OIS in the iPhone 6s when the "S" cycle is supposed to bring major improvements to the camera, 2GB of RAM in the iPad Pro 9.7" which came after its bigger brother, etc.

These kinds of things don't make Apple look good, and I wish they would go all out every year and not hold back.
 
I see what you mean; I do like the list of AirPlay systems in the music section, but I can definitely agree that some of that space could have probably been used better. I don't use Night Shift so that big button will be wasted space for me. Does it look the same in landscape?

Still, I'd like to think that optimization for the iPad will continue. It may just be that some of the optimization will happen after the major releases, for whatever reason Apple has chosen to go that way.
Yes, it looks the same in landscape. It just doesn't reach as far to the edges of the screen and you can see part of the other cards to show that there is more to see when you swipe. I don't have the iPad with iOS 10 with me right now, but I found this online to show you what I mean. I really hope they do refine it, and soon, because it's such a waste of space and so inconvenient to switch between Control Center toggles and music controls.

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I don't see why Apple SHOULD hold back either, but it's pretty obvious that they are. Plenty of examples for this: 1GB of RAM in the iPhone 6 knowing that people would upgrade due to the larger screen and knowing that it should have had 2GB of LPDDR3 RAM, no OIS in the iPhone 6s when the "S" cycle is supposed to bring major improvements to the camera, 2GB of RAM in the iPad Pro 9.7" which came after its bigger brother, etc.

These kinds of things don't make Apple look good, and I wish they would go all out every year and not hold back.
Apple has to hold back on some things or people will keep their devices even longer. That would be great for the consumer, but bad for sales. Guess which Apple cares more about.

If I cared for the 6 series and bought an iPhone 6, I would have felt compelled to upgrade to the iPhone 6s for the extra GB of RAM alone. The 9.7" iPad Pro has only 2GB of RAM because that won't be enough in a few years causing people to upgrade much sooner than if it had 4GB.
 
If I cared for the 6 series and bought an iPhone 6, I would have felt compelled to upgrade to the iPhone 6s for the extra GB of RAM alone. The 9.7" iPad Pro has only 2GB of RAM because that won't be enough in a few years causing people to upgrade much sooner than if it had 4GB.

I agree that 2GB of RAM in the 9.7 Pro is a bit concerning, but I went from an iPhone 6 to 6s+, and I don't feel any difference in performance, really. What do you do on a phone where RAM would be an issue? All I do on my iPhone is iMessage, ebooks, read news, and Pokemon.
 
I agree that 2GB of RAM in the 9.7 Pro is a bit concerning, but I went from an iPhone 6 to 6s+, and I don't feel any difference in performance, really. What do you do on a phone where RAM would be an issue? All I do on my iPhone is iMessage, ebooks, read news, and Pokemon.
The extra GB of RAM isn't going to affect performance that much. It's mainly just how much can stay running in the background. If you multitask a lot, you'd find yourself waiting for things to reload a lot more. It also helped that you had the regular 6 and not the 6 Plus, because the lower resolution display in the 6 didn't need as much RAM as the 6 Plus.

I had an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini 2, and the iPhone was great while the iPad was awful to use. Not only did apps rarely stay running in the background, but even Safari tabs would reload sometimes when I was only dealing with two tabs. My iPhone 5s wasn't nearly that bad, but definitely not even close to how many apps my iPhone SE can keep, and I multitask a lot.

#teaminstinct
 
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Apple should be able to handle multiple product designs at this point in their corporate life cycle, and if they can't, then Cook is doing a bad job.
In fairness, they have the spaceship campus to build and watchband variations don't design themselves
 
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I don't see why Apple SHOULD hold back either, but it's pretty obvious that they are. Plenty of examples for this: 1GB of RAM in the iPhone 6 knowing that people would upgrade due to the larger screen and knowing that it should have had 2GB of LPDDR3 RAM, no OIS in the iPhone 6s when the "S" cycle is supposed to bring major improvements to the camera, 2GB of RAM in the iPad Pro 9.7" which came after its bigger brother, etc.

These kinds of things don't make Apple look good, and I wish they would go all out every year and not hold back.
Going all out every year is a bit wasteful and is a bit more difficult to do now than when iOS devices were first introduced. When Apple DID go all out, some people complained that the device they bought just a year prior felt obsolete. They accused Apple of "holding back" on the previous gen to make the next gen so much better. All that to say, it's all relative.

Going all out every year has one benefit for the consumer... they don't have to think. They know Apple has gone all out and they're getting Apple's leading edge. Customers have also become weary (financially, technologically, psychologically) to frequently updating their devices.

But now, and I'd argue for the last few years, consumers need to examine Apple's products and determine what to buy and when to buy it. There is a lot more uncertainty now. I do not think it wise for anyone to pay full MSRP for an iPad anymore. That's a change.

I've figured out a good rhythm of purchasing based on what Apple produces and based on my needs. Maximizing performance, longevity, and capability and minimizing cost. I encourage everyone to do that... examining their own needs and wants. The side benefit is shaking more than a few dollars free to put into savings or buy more gadgets. :D
 
Going all out every year is a bit wasteful and is a bit more difficult to do now than when iOS devices were first introduced. When Apple DID go all out, some people complained that the device they bought just a year prior felt obsolete. They accused Apple of "holding back" on the previous gen to make the next gen so much better. All that to say, it's all relative.

Going all out every year has one benefit for the consumer... they don't have to think. They know Apple has gone all out and they're getting Apple's leading edge. Customers have also become weary (financially, technologically, psychologically) to frequently updating their devices.

But now, and I'd argue for the last few years, consumers need to examine Apple's products and determine what to buy and when to buy it. There is a lot more uncertainty now. I do not think it wise for anyone to pay full MSRP for an iPad anymore. That's a change.

I've figured out a good rhythm of purchasing based on what Apple produces and based on my needs. Maximizing performance, longevity, and capability and minimizing cost. I encourage everyone to do that... examining their own needs and wants. The side benefit is shaking more than a few dollars free to put into savings or buy more gadgets. :D
You're absolutely right, paying full MSRP for an iPad now-a-days is not wise, sales are much more frequent than they used to be, and much better, too.
 
Going all out every year is a bit wasteful and is a bit more difficult to do now than when iOS devices were first introduced. When Apple DID go all out, some people complained that the device they bought just a year prior felt obsolete. They accused Apple of "holding back" on the previous gen to make the next gen so much better. All that to say, it's all relative.

Going all out every year has one benefit for the consumer... they don't have to think. They know Apple has gone all out and they're getting Apple's leading edge. Customers have also become weary (financially, technologically, psychologically) to frequently updating their devices.

But now, and I'd argue for the last few years, consumers need to examine Apple's products and determine what to buy and when to buy it. There is a lot more uncertainty now. I do not think it wise for anyone to pay full MSRP for an iPad anymore. That's a change.

I've figured out a good rhythm of purchasing based on what Apple produces and based on my needs. Maximizing performance, longevity, and capability and minimizing cost. I encourage everyone to do that... examining their own needs and wants. The side benefit is shaking more than a few dollars free to put into savings or buy more gadgets. :D
Going all out is definitely not in Apple's best interest now. Hardware advancements are fast outpacing software, which is making new devices last longer and longer. Just look how long the iPad 2 lasted, and I have a feeling the iPad Air 2 is going to last even longer. It's already two years old and there are no signs of it slowing down yet. Actually quite the opposite. With iOS 10, my iPad Air 2 feels faster and more responsive than ever.
 
I don't see why Apple SHOULD hold back either, but it's pretty obvious that they are. Plenty of examples for this: 1GB of RAM in the iPhone 6 knowing that people would upgrade due to the larger screen and knowing that it should have had 2GB of LPDDR3 RAM, no OIS in the iPhone 6s when the "S" cycle is supposed to bring major improvements to the camera, 2GB of RAM in the iPad Pro 9.7" which came after its bigger brother, etc.

These kinds of things don't make Apple look good, and I wish they would go all out every year and not hold back.

Like most critics, you don't really understand how Apple works. They're not Samdung. They don't design to a spec, or to a marketing focus group talking point. They design to a certain experience level for the end user.

Once that experience level has been met, they don't add 2GB more ram on top of it just so spec measurbators will be happy arguing with their fandroid friends. The same goes for battery life. Why doesn't Apple keep the phones the same thickness, and just keep boosting battery life? Because their concept of the user experience is met already with the 10 hour runtime they've had for years. So the phone gets thinner.

It's one reason I really admire them as a company. And it has paid off for them in the marketplace, for the most part.
 
The extra GB of RAM isn't going to affect performance that much. It's mainly just how much can stay running in the background. If you multitask a lot, you'd find yourself waiting for things to reload a lot more. It also helped that you had the regular 6 and not the 6 Plus, because the lower resolution display in the 6 didn't need as much RAM as the 6 Plus.

I had an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini 2, and the iPhone was great while the iPad was awful to use. Not only did apps rarely stay running in the background, but even Safari tabs would reload sometimes when I was only dealing with two tabs. My iPhone 5s wasn't nearly that bad, but definitely not even close to how many apps my iPhone SE can keep, and I multitask a lot.

#teaminstinct

The only thing I can think of where I multitask on my iPhone is playing music while reading ebooks or surfing the web. Out of curiosity, what do you multitask on the iPhone?

Team Mystic here.
 
The only thing I can think of where I multitask on my iPhone is playing music while reading ebooks or surfing the web. Out of curiosity, what do you multitask on the iPhone?
I don't necessarily do multiple things at once where I'm constantly switching back and forth between apps, but I will leave an app to do something else, then come back to it, then move onto another app, then switch back to the second app, etc.

For example, I might be browsing the web with Safari and have a few tabs open, then click on a link that opens YouTube. While watching the video, I get a notification from Hangouts about an event that I need to add to my calendar, so I do that, then open Hangouts to respond. Forgot what I was doing so I go back to Safari and realize I still have the video to watch, so I switch back to YouTube to watch it.

With less RAM, all the tabs in Safari need to be refreshed now, and YouTube just closed in the background, so I have to pull the video back up and scroll to the spot I was at to continue. This isn't an exact scenario that's actually happened to me before, but you get my point. Not even trying to multitask, you wind up needing it and it's just inconvenient when apps close in the background before you're finished with them.

Team Mystic here.
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I don't want it to have it's own OS that just further splits Apple's software. I'd rather iOS just be optimized for it.
 
Apple could have squeezed those buttons into half the space they take up and used the other half for music controls, and it still wouldn't be crowded. But clearly someone couldn't be bothered putting any effort into the new Control Center UI for iPad, so they just took what they designed for iPhone and made it bigger.

Those attachments sicken me slightly. I thought iOS 9 (which was huge for iPads) was the beginning of a true focus on iPad devices. When the Pros were announced I just new that iOS 10 was going to take it to the next level. LOL nope.

I like my iPad. I'm not looking for a paradigm shift, just some basic enhancements that should dramatically improve my experience. A few of these are being implemented in iOS 10, but not all.
  • Split screen in Settings and Music app (iOS 10 fix)
  • Split apps 1/3-2/3 in landscape. I am right handed. I'd like to have a small image use 1/3 of the left side of screen and have 2/3 on the right. As of now, it can only be 2/3-1/3 or 50-50.
  • App slider (for multitasking) organization. My most used apps are never near the bottom. Add the ability to hide apps or pin them. Some apps I want on my device, but never use in split view. It's annoying. Add a search bar or something.
  • Improvements to the iCloud Drive app. Apple calls it an "app" on their website, but it feels like a ported web interface. I know Apple hates files, but give us some more flexibility (duplicate, copy, detailed views, etc.)
  • Better App switcher. Why is the app switcher the same on a 9.7" and 12.9 device as it is on a 4" phone? Instead of this unless slider that covers part of each app, make it more like Mission Control with 4 app previous in a grid and you swipe grid to grid.
  • Notifications center and the widget center appear to be stretched out iPhone versions. In iOS 9, Apple FINALLY had Notification center on the iPad in a good place. Build on that.
  • Make notification fly in from the side like on macOS or at least appear in a reasonable way and not stretched across the display.
  • Choose the default "Location" when accessing files. Right now it takes you to iCloud Drive and you have to tap "Locations" to choose something else like Dropbox. Not a huge deal, but somewhat annoying.
  • Conversation view in Mail (iOS 10 fix)

I'm not a software designer, but Apple is. Apple doesn't have to do the above per se, but I know they can think of better ways to accomplish the same things. My issue isn't just iPhone UI, it's that there are many times that I'm seeing more information than my phone because there are more blown up iPhone notification that can fit on my screen instead of having right iPad-sized notification that deliver more information themselves. If that makes sense.
 
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I cannot decide which way I lean towards more and part of that is because I cannot personally ever see what I would need an iPad for. I do need my MBA and my iPhone. Love iOS on my iPhone and macOS on my MBA. But I've never owned an iPad because I've only ever seen it as a big iPhone until the iPad pro has come out and to be honest I definitely know I still don't need it. I am a student and future math teacher and I want it to take notes on and make learning more fun with cool and helpful apps! I do think that the iPad should have it's own OS, gun to my head, but it shouldn't be too much different than iOS, but different enough to where I can justify that it's not just a giant iPhone.
 
I cannot decide which way I lean towards more and part of that is because I cannot personally ever see what I would need an iPad for. I do need my MBA and my iPhone. Love iOS on my iPhone and macOS on my MBA. But I've never owned an iPad because I've only ever seen it as a big iPhone until the iPad pro has come out and to be honest I definitely know I still don't need it. I am a student and future math teacher and I want it to take notes on and make learning more fun with cool and helpful apps! I do think that the iPad should have it's own OS, gun to my head, but it shouldn't be too much different than iOS, but different enough to where I can justify that it's not just a giant iPhone.

My first iOS device, back when the OS was called iPhone OS, was an iPod touch. I found it to be a great mini-computer, but I wanted it a little bigger. When the iPad came out a few years later, I bought it on day one and have found it to be exactly what I wanted, namely, a bigger iPod touch. And that's what I still like about iPads, that it's a larger iPod touch. To me, being bigger is enough of a difference all on its own to justify having an iPad -- it doesn't need separate software features to justify it. So if you don't feel you want/need a bigger iPhone, then maybe the iPad isn't for you.
 
I'm really on the fence with this one, its difficult. My self from a tech enthusiast point of view wishes that iOS on the iPad was closer to that of Mac OS, but the people i know who use the iPad as their primary device (my grandmother and mother) both love the iPad because it is so simple to use compared to the Windows laptops they were using before, and don't want the iPad to act anything like a desktop class OS.

I don't really know how fix this clash. Maybe keep the existing simple grid view out the box then an advanced button in settings which changes the GUI to a more feature rich iOS GUI? Maybe the Pro coming in the advanced GUI mode out of the box with a button to flick it to simple.
 
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