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With the state of iOS for iPad as it is. I would not recommend the pro versions to anyone. Possibly a wealthy graph designer, but even then, I can get all my work done equally well on last years 9.7 as my new pro.
 
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Yay! Slightly updated existing gadgets!

Keep those innovations coming!
Apple users don't upgrade hardware like synchronized swimmers.

People with 2011 MBPs that upgrade in 2019 would probably like to get 2019 hardware. Like the people with 2011 MBPs that upgraded in 2018 probably liked 2018 hardware. And the same for 2017 and other years.

Since they are not getting reduced prices or anything some bumps here and there (most of them don't even cost almost anything as hardware prices change) are appreciated.

It also provides benefits for Apple, the current system induces people to upgrade at the moment the next big thing is launched, driving pressure on Apple to deliver the said next big thing every single time and making supply chain more volatile.
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With the state of iOS for iPad as it is. I would not recommend the pro versions to anyone. Possibly a wealthy graph designer, but even then, I can get all my work done equally well on last years 9.7 as my new pro.
iPad Pros somewhat remind me of Leica M cameras, awesome and brilliantly designed but not really useful to anyone who isn't wealthy or a world renowned photographer (or both).
 
I would really like it if Apple would return to their 2x2 model. We already have iPad Pro in two sizes, so just make iPad in two sizes. Drop the name "mini" and just have two sizes of "iPad." Then replicate this with the MacBook and MacBook Pro lines, and then again with the iPhone lines (an XR-like device, but smaller than the XS). Simple. Straightforward.
 
Good to hear. Fingers crossed for an iPhone Mini in the upcoming years..my SE is starting to show it's age, but I will hold onto it until a smaller iphone comes.

How has it started to show its age? I just got a new $29 battery replacement in December and it now works as good as new.

Bwahahaha keep dreaming, the market has spoken and the top players are not going to waste production making a smaller phone that only a small minority of people are going to buy. Want a smaller phone? Get a used SE (which the XR us pretty much the modern SE) or that palm compainon phone.

Why should he buy a “used SE” when Apple still makes, and sells the SE new through authorized retailers?
 
In order to increase sales, which is what this is all about, I’m hoping that Apple doesn’t increase prices as they’ve done with my iPad Pro 12.9”. I didn’t mind, but for those looking at price, I hope they reduce it to $299 from $329. It’s not much, but it’s symbolic.

In schools, where Apple has lost out to the cheap Chromebook, they need to make the effort to compete. Williams stated, on the stand, in the government trial against Qualcomm, that the aluminum case adds $60 to the price. While it’s likely less for the 9.7” model, if Apple used plastic, they could possibly cut $30 off the price right there. A Chromebook, with keyboard, costs $300. The iPad needs to come closer to that, with a keyboard.

I don’t know what to make of the mini.
 
Good to hear. Fingers crossed for an iPhone Mini in the upcoming years..my SE is starting to show it's age, but I will hold onto it until a smaller iphone comes.

Have you tried a new battery? After I replaced the battery in my SE and updated to iOS 12, my iPhone feels as fast as newer phones!


Yep, I'm still surprised they didn't fill the gaping hole (price and form factor) left after EOL'ing the SE.

I used to wonder why Apple seems to dislike the smaller form factor devices (e.g. iPhone SE, iPad Mini, Mac Mini), and then I realized... Apple doesn’t dislike the small form factors; Apple dislikes the proportionally smaller prices of these devices.
 
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Apple stores all use the mini, so They need to keep something around for that purpose.

Our 2018 iPad has been great, just what was needed. I’d consider a mini if it supported the pencil... otherwise we are good until next year.
 
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A11 18 month old processor and call it the new iPad mini 2019

Apple is so predictable.

Whatever works.

$199 should be the target price point for the iPad mini 32gb with A11. I may bite at that price.

But knowing Apple. Probably looking at $299 iPad mini A11. And $349 A111 9.7 budget full size iPad.


0% chance the mini drops to $199. My guess would be a floor of $249, but probably $279, with the new full size iPad staying at $329, or even bumping up to $349.
 
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0% chance the mini drops to $199. My guess would be a floor of $249, but probably $279, with the new full size iPad staying at $329, or even bumping up to $349.


It would suck if they put an A10 in it like the rumors are saying, just that alone would prevent me from buying it. :(
 
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A 64 GB Mini 5 with the A11/A12 + 3/4GB RAM at $279 with a laminated display and Gen 2 Touch ID could be a hit... sell it in the new gold color found on the 6th Gen iPad as well. Most people I know with a Mini are children, ages 7-13. Knowing Apple, it'll be much worse than that on both price and specs.
 
Personally, I love my iPad Mini 2, and would really welcome an updated model. The mini, for me, is better for prolonged use when you're holding it. Back when I had a larger iPad (first iPad 2) I didn't want to have it in my hands for long. It needed to be propped up somewhere to use it. The Mini I can hold for hours on end (important when you're cramped in coach on airplanes) without wanting to just put it away. It's also a better size for sticking in say, a coat pocket, if I needed to run out somewhere where I'll be waiting for a while.

I just wish they didn't consider it 'entry level'. If they do introduce a Mini 5, but give it 4 year old tech, then no thanks, I'm out. I'll stick with what I've got. But if they can really overhaul it, then I'd welcome the new PRO design scaled down to the external dimensions of the iPad Mini. Something that will be powerful and portable would be a dream.
I have a iPad mini 4 and if Apple just drops an A9 into it or even A10 while keeping the same 2GB of RAM, I’m not upgrading. They need to give the iPad mini 5 at least an A11 with 4GB of RAM and pencil support to make it worth the upgrade for me and probably a lot of other iPad mini 2/3/4 owners. I’m not expecting FaceID, but I am expecting a level of performance that you would expect for a device released in 2018/19.
 
I’m interested. I’m planning to ditch my iPhone X by the end of this year, replacing it with an Apple Watch Series 5 and AirPods as my primary always on me device for communication and Siri as an assistant and then have an iPad Mini that I can carry if I’m expecting to do any extensive messaging, browsing, photo/video viewing or other work on the go.

An all screen iPad mini could either be much smaller, if they maintain the screen size, or have a bigger screen. I hope they decide on the former. A very portable iPad with an 8” screen would be fantastic.

I tried to replace my iPhone with an Apple Watch last year and I while I ultimately decided against it, I learned some lessons on what was missing and reaffirmed that it would be not only possible but inevitable in the not so distant future to for the Watch to become the primary personal device for most people.
 
The irony of it all, well of my personal situation, is that I've been begging for an iPad Mini 5 for so long and posted many a comment saying so. But since I've bought an iPhone 8 I actually hardly touch my iPad Mini 4 anymore.
Well I guess when I travel I'll use it for movies, maps and travel documents but that's about it.
So I don't know if I really want to upgrade to a Mini 5 anymore. I guess I'll wait and see what Apple has to offer.
 
I treated myself to a 2018 iPad for $249 during Black Friday to replace my 6+ year old iPad Air. After finding that there was a 0 performance increase (I really only use it for web surfing, MP3s, email, Youtube, and maybe Netflix), I returned it.

6 years and in my view, 0 innovation. I'm sure I can go read the iPad Wiki and compare them all side by side but in practical use, nothing was different. Later, I even updated my iPad Air to iOS 12.x and it still works just dandy.

Apple needs to innovate, innovate, innovate and stop churning out the same iPad with a "new" CPU and possibly price fluctuations.

At this point, even if Apple threw in the Pencil for free and dropped the 2019 iPad to $249 I wouldn't buy. For roughly $249 I would want significantly more storage (128GB), blazingly faster CPU that actually demonstrates this speed on all the apps, stereo speakers, and some major new iOS features such as a File System I can use to store my email attachments.
 
Nice. But I'm not waiting for an iPad mini. I'm waiting for an update for the SE. For me size is more important than price. For now I'll survive until Apple stops updating iOS for the SE. If at that moment no new SE was released then, to my regret, I'll go for a cheap Android, not bigger than the SE. It's just a tool to get my job done, it's not part of my fashion outfit.
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The irony of it all, well of my personal situation, is that I've been begging for an iPad Mini 5 for so long and posted many a comment saying so. But since I've bought an iPhone 8 I actually hardly touch my iPad Mini 4 anymore.
Well I guess when I travel I'll use it for movies, maps and travel documents but that's about it.
So I don't know if I really want to upgrade to a Mini 5 anymore. I guess I'll wait and see what Apple has to offer.

So Apple actually cannibalized its own iPad Mini sales by selling those big phones. Seems to me a pretty stupid move from a marketing perspective. I'd prefer having both an SE2 and an iPad.
 
Let's see if Tim started to realize that some more affordable prices as well as frequent updates will boost Apple's sales again.

The iPad costs $350. If you don't think that's affordable, perhaps you need to consider your level of entitlement...
 
The iPad costs $350. If you don't think that's affordable, perhaps you need to consider your level of entitlement...

It’s about the price increases of all products. Apple always was a premium product. But lately testing the price sensitivity of its customers obviously reached a peak and customers first time turned their back towards Apple and fired back. As for your example, iPads once started at 499 for the top tier, now you pay 799. Sure you got more choices as various versions are available, yet you once payed 300$ less for latest technology, today you need to purchase the still sold successor versions. Same counts for iPhone and Macs. Got it?
 
You mean $329 isn’t a reasonable price point? o_O
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Yessss! Liquid Retina display on the new iPads and I wouldn’t mind paying a higher price on those.
I would mind. The Liquid Retina display would be a step backwards from what the Mini 4 currently has (from a pixel density perspective).
 
Maybe it has taken so long to update the iPad because they were trying to figure out how to add pencil support.

I can dream, right?
 
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