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One thing that annoys me on my phone is when I slip my phone out of my pocket to quickly check the time (or just to double check my phone isn’t on and unlocked in my pocket) and the thing unlocks! I then have to press the power button to re-lock it which - in time- will wear the button out.

Other than that it’s fine.


Yeah, that's a small annoyance. Just to put it in perspective, the button is rated for at least a million presses. If I press it 100 times a day that's 30,000 times a year. So t would take a long time to wear it out. I don't think I've ever had a button failure on any iPhone or iPad I've owned.
 
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You’re still not sold on Face ID? You don’t own a Face ID device I gather. It’s amazing. Owned an iPhone X since day one. Flawless.

Now a 12.9” iPad pro and let me just say it was like Face ID was invented for the iPad, such smooth and easy security.

Lol it’s 2019 you should try it now.

FaceID is likely fine for a personal device such as a phone. When several persons share the device, such as a family with kids, it may not be so practical...
 
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A really really great update that resurrected the product line.
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One thing that annoys me on my phone is when I slip my phone out of my pocket to quickly check the time (or just to double check my phone isn’t on and unlocked in my pocket) and the thing unlocks! I then have to press the power button to re-lock it which - in time- will wear the button out.

Other than that it’s fine.
You can really spin anything to negative.
 
So, what Apple devices have forcetouch?

It seems to have skipped the iPad line. I'm assuming only the XS and 8 series phones?
 
Because I don't constantly stare at my iPhone (nor want to) whilst I'm using it to practice drums (which is incidentally also why I need the headphone jack, since Air Pods are next to useless for drum practice).

Why would you need to look at your phone?

You don’t have an I/O interface for music production? What headphones are you using and what App are you using while you play drums?
 
Considering how pencil 2 charges, that would have meant a redesigned mini 5, resulting in a more expensive product.

Well, for those who have to buy a second Pencil to use with their second current-generation iPad, that will still amount to a more expensive product overall. But regardless, this could have been solved with just a bit of foresight. For example, the Pencil 2 itself could have been designed to accept a Lightning charge in addition to the inductive charging. Or Apple could have allowed the Pencil 2 to work with the mini even if it can't charge with the mini. For those of us with two-or-more iPads, that still would have been helpful (charge the Pencil on the iPad Pro, but use it with any iPad). And you know that a third-party company would have created a Lightning-to-inductive charging dongle.
 
I guess in order to make the devices as small and light as possible, they have to be glued instead of using screws or other fasteners. But that sure does make them unmaintainable. The simple act of replacing a battery really should be provided for!
 
FaceID is likely fine for a personal device such as a phone. When several persons share the device, such as a family with kids, it may not be so practical...

I don’t see the difference...
Unless you have all your kids’ fingerprints trained into your iPad, so they can use it whenever they want, without asking permission first; it’s the same thing:
“Hey dad, touch your iPad, so I can use it?” vs. “Hey dad, look at your iPad, so I can use it?”.
 
Either of you tempted to ditch your 12.9 completely?

The last thing I want is two iPads, so i’m trying to figure out if I should trade-in my 2015 12.9. What’s the audio like on the new mini? Does the screen seem cramped? How’s note-taking with the pencil? Enough room, or a bit tight?

Nah. I would never I’d miss it too much

I don’t have a problem with having two iPads.

I had too much iPhone clutter tho in the fall: 2x SE, 7+, X, and XR at one point

Traded in 7+ to get a credit for XR, X for standby gift card funds for a newer iPhone down the road, and happily kept both SE’s (bc of low resell value and both jailbroken one iOS 10, one iOS 12 and both just being gems one gold one space grey)
 
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Um, "laser beams" don't shoot into your eyes, or anywhere else. Facetime is a camera. And they don't send your face data to Apple.

Sorry, don't like invisible scanners hitting the face (including the eyes). Sorry, don't believe "NO ONE else gets the information...BUT we keep it on our servers encrypted.... Then why keep it on their servers...for me? Come on...

Yeah Sure...the iPhone Doesn't track EVERY place you go and if it does, it JUST's keeps it on your phone...including a pin on the map exactly where you go...every place during the day you go, how many times you go there etc. and other information...JUST to make their "services" better? gullible people...

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-turn-off-iphone-list-of-your-locations-2019-3

I remember 20 years ago when an old guy told me that the bar code on the driver's license tracks where people are by satellite, including indoors...we thought he was a crazy old man....now...it is easy...the smartphones does it very easy.

I was in a marketing meeting over 5 years ago and they were telling me (with charts of data) that they get information about where you drive, what routes etc. from smart phones so they can determine what to put on bill boards for the commuter drive every day...where did the marketing companies GET THAT information from..? Please...

And that was over 5 years ago...I can't imagine what info they can get now...and who gets it.

Glad I am out of the marketing business. :)
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Well, I guess you could just make stuff up about how it works to convince yourself it’s no good. BTW, nothing you said is true of FaceID.

And how do you know? Are you an apple PR guy on this site promoting Apple stuff? :)
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Apple doesn’t port your face to their server though. Everything is handling on device.
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Ha. Yes, sometimes it’s too easy to unlock.


And...how do you know it stays on your phone?
 
I don’t see the difference...
Unless you have all your kids’ fingerprints trained into your iPad, so they can use it whenever they want, without asking permission first; it’s the same thing:
“Hey dad, touch your iPad, so I can use it?” vs. “Hey dad, look at your iPad, so I can use it?”.

It is not dad's iPad. It is the family iPad being used by any member of the family that wants/needs it.
And yes, it has all the fingerprints trained...
 
Why would you need to look at your phone?

You don’t have an I/O interface for music production? What headphones are you using and what App are you using while you play drums?

I would need to keep looking at my phone to unlock, because my employer forces the security policy down my phone so it locks every 5 mins. (Unless I opt-out of company email etc).

I use in-ear monitors whilst I'm drumming to block out the acoustic noise of the drums, so I don't blast my ear drums and preserve my hearing.

I do have an Focusrite Clarett 8Pre audio interface I use for music production complete with mics, but for straight forward practice I use my iPhone and metronome app - no need to fire up my audio interface and drum mics every time I want to practice. I also use Anytune Pro on my iPhone to slow down audio tracks, and loop the same section of the song over and over whilst I work on the drum part. It's just annoying that Apple seems to think the only use case scenario for listening to music is for pleasure, rather than taking into account musicians who might want to use their iPhone as a practice aid, and incorporate it as part of their work flow.
 
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Glue doesn’t bother me anymore. It serves its purpose well and doesn’t affect everyday use.

I’ve never needed to disassemble any of my iPads. I don’t know anyone in real life who has.
Sort of a chicken and the egg thing for me - I don't disassemble any of my Apple devices (iMac, iPhone 6S+, 2017 iPad Pro) since they are notoriously hard to service, even for something so simple as to install a new battery. Messing with glue is a deal breaker for me. I find it painful to watch Jessa of iPad Rehab messing with iPhones and iPads on youtube. In contrast, I'm perfectly fine with opening up desktop PC's for upgrades , and for changing most PC laptop batteries. For mobile devices and laptops I really miss the days of removable batteries. My wife has a two year old LG V20 which should easily be good for another 2-3 years with an occasional battery change (it may be the last high end phone with removable batteries). They only cost $10 - no disassembly necessary. I might actually buy one of these Mini's since they retain the phone jack and touch id, as well as accommodating pencils. Be a nice supplement to my Pro.
 
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And...how do you know it stays on your phone?

Secure Enclave in Apple chips is well documented. It’s designed to keep “secure elements” in chip, on device & not broadcasting it. You think no one tried to disprove the claim. So far no experts can disprove it so how do you know it’s doesn’t?
 
Lol I did try it on an XR. Lol It’s 2019 and constantly holding your phone up to your face is lame. Lol just because Apple tells you a feature is an improvement doesn’t make it an improvement. Lol I’m back on an iPhone 7 because I prefer it. Lol I got sick of all the gesturing and I was happy to return to the physical home button. Lol standing in the checkout line holding a phone up to your face makes you look like a douche. Lol, man. Lol.

But I don’t have to hold anything close to my face lol...and Apple isn’t telling me it’s an improvement, I’m saying it’s an improvement by experience
 
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I would say I do not like the idea of laser beams shooting onto my face or eyes, including keeping records of facial recognition for whatever purposes (as if they don't port it over to apple servers for storage like our passwords to our systems etc). This is a reason for not liking FaceID much..

But you are okay with them 'storing' you're fingerprints? Which are much more universally recognized for security purposes? The reality is they don't really 'store' either in a fashion that can be recovered by anyone including Apple. So yeah, not a good reason to not like FaceID. As for 'lasers' shooting into your eyes. It's infrared light, not lasers, and you get more IR exposure from, well, any other light source around, especially the sun. To have less exposure you would literally have to walk around with a leather mask covering your eyes.

So okay, you just don't want FaceID. That's your right, but if you are going to bother to explain, other than, 'because', you should have research your answers. just a thought.
 
I would need to keep looking at my phone to unlock, because my employer forces the security policy down my phone so it locks every 5 mins. (Unless I opt-out of company email etc).

I use in-ear monitors whilst I'm drumming to block out the acoustic noise of the drums, so I don't blast my ear drums and preserve my hearing.

I do have an Focusrite Clarett 8Pre audio interface I use for music production complete with mics, but for straight forward practice I use my iPhone and metronome app - no need to fire up my audio interface and drum mics every time I want to practice. I also use Anytune Pro on my iPhone to slow down audio tracks, and loop the same section of the song over and over whilst I work on the drum part. It's just annoying that Apple seems to think the only use case scenario for listening to music is for pleasure, rather than taking into account musicians who might want to use their iPhone as a practice aid, and incorporate it as part of their work flow.

So there's no actual problem with FaceID (like your original complaint), rather the issue is that you don't have a separate work device from personal device (your complaint about your company policy of requiring security). So how is this the fault of Apple or FaceID?

As to your use case, I still don't get it. A guitar player might have a point as they could take their guitar and iPhone with them to practice almost anywhere. Drums are different as they aren't mobile. So if you have your drums set up in a specific location, I don't see why you wouldn't just have an I/O interface also set up where you literally just plug in your iOS device with a single Lightning cable and everything is up and running at once?
 
You’re still not sold on Face ID? You don’t own a Face ID device I gather. It’s amazing. Owned an iPhone X since day one. Flawless.

Now a 12.9” iPad pro and let me just say it was like Face ID was invented for the iPad, such smooth and easy security.

Lol it’s 2019 you should try it now.

Got to say, I love FaceID on my phone, since its a natural gesture for me to look at it while its in my hand, but don't care for FaceID on my iPad Pro 11... wish they had a home button option. It doe works great on my iPad when the iPad is on my desk with the keyboard, like a little notebook computer, then okay, great, but in almost any other position (reading in bed) its a pain to hold so it works for me. YMMV.
 
I’ve read the same, but still no definite answer. The first hand experience could also be the Mini appearing to unlock faster because the display updates faster with the much more powerful A12.

I just figured iFixIt would finally give the definitive answer.

But does it matter what version of TouchID it is as long as the overall experience is so fast that it appears to be upgraded? Not meaning to argue, but specs don't tell the whole story. What matters is the experience. And I find the new iPad mini to be plenty fast on unlocking.
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Because I don't constantly stare at my iPhone (nor want to) whilst I'm using it to practice drums (which is incidentally also why I need the headphone jack, since Air Pods are next to useless for drum practice).

but if your hands are holding drum sticks while practicing... what do you unlock it with, your nose? joking. mostly.
 
The update is really good, the only problem is the 3.5 years between the Mini 4 and this model. I'm sure you can find good deals for the Mini 4, but I wouldn't buy something with a A8 chip in 2019.
Updating every other year would be great, but at least we have a new Mini so I don't want to complain too much...
Yet you did.
 
It's just annoying that Apple seems to think the only use case scenario for listening to music is for pleasure, rather than taking into account musicians who might want to use their iPhone as a practice aid, and incorporate it as part of their work flow.

Who says Apple didn't think about different use cases? And reject them. They make devices for the masses. Not the individual, and the use case you describe is extremely specific to your individual needs. I can understand that being annoying perhaps, but wanting different from Apple is like swimming upstream. You aren't going to get far or be terribly happy. I realize its easy for me to say as I happen to be one of the masses they aim for.
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Either of you tempted to ditch your 12.9 completely?

The last thing I want is two iPads, so i’m trying to figure out if I should trade-in my 2015 12.9. What’s the audio like on the new mini? Does the screen seem cramped? How’s note-taking with the pencil? Enough room, or a bit tight?

So I have an iPad Pro 11.... and the new mini. If I was forced at gunpoint to chose just one I would have to stick with the iPad Pro 11. There is no questioning its more, was going to say flexible but some might think thats a joke, versatile in what it can do then the mini. For most cases when I want to use the pencil, or a keyboard, or multiple apps, I use the larger iPad. But I really appreciate the mini for when I am just relaxing. so yeah, I appreciate having the two
 
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Bionic. I’m tired of meaningless marketing terms.

In this case it informs that the chipset has normal biological capability enhanced by electronics. Meaningless.
 
I like FaceID on my iPhone. But don't have an opinion on wanting it on a Mini 5 I might be buying in the near future.

I suspect if it was included it would have bumped the price up in order to meet margin requirements. I like the Mini 5 as it's priced now and likely would not pay a higher price.

Apple did an excellent job hitting the sweet spot on features and performance vs price.
 
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