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macrumors has been posting quite a bunch of these defensive articles lately. i frequent a bunch of other tech blogs, and no one else posts as much "hey look, apple or so and so is so much better than you" articles. i get it.. click bait and the editors seem to enjoy seeing flame wars. just wish this site would go back to the days of posting more mac related articles instead. go to droidlife.. they seem to get it.. just post news about what you started the site in the first place for. avoid posting article headlines that just stir up the crowd.

I like these articles. Please keep posting them.
 
macrumors has been posting quite a bunch of these defensive articles lately. i frequent a bunch of other tech blogs, and no one else posts as much "hey look, apple or so and so is so much better than you" articles. i get it.. click bait and the editors seem to enjoy seeing flame wars. just wish this site would go back to the days of posting more mac related articles instead. go to droidlife.. they seem to get it.. just post news about what you started the site in the first place for. avoid posting article headlines that just stir up the crowd.

I find the articles interesting - these are stats that you often don't hear about but do really matter.
 
I've been using an iPad 3 since it came out last year and picked up a nexus 7 this summer to see what all the hype was about. It's a good tablet, but I've definitely noticed that the touch screen is not nearly as responsive as any of the iOS devices I've used (which is pretty much all of them except for the original iPhone). It's not enough for it to feel slow, but it's immediately apparent it's not as snappy.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I literally cannot notice the difference in screen sensitivity/responsiveness. I suppose if I'm really, really looking then maybe I can find a near-imperceptible slowdown on one device over the other, but it impacts nothing in general usage. None of my devices are even on this list.
Oh, I can. I've noticed a difference between our Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" and any Apple product. It's obvious.
 
Wasn't this reported on a few years back, when Intel engineers admitted to reverse engineering (or just looking very closely at) iOS hardware touch response rates, trying to figure out why iPS devices were leaps and bounds better than the competition? Their discovery, IIRC, was that Apple devote significantly more frequency to it's touch API/hardware than anyone else.

Looks like the competition still haven't learned, preferring high clock speeds for faux performance figures over sensibly balanced operation.
 
I've been using an iPad 3 since it came out last year and picked up a nexus 7 this summer to see what all the hype was about. It's a good tablet, but I've definitely noticed that the touch screen is not nearly as responsive as any of the iOS devices I've used (which is pretty much all of them except for the original iPhone). It's not enough for it to feel slow, but it's immediately apparent it's not as snappy.

I am lucky enough to have an iPad3 and N7 2013, both for different needs. There is a noticeable difference however both are totally comfortable for me to use and I loathe slowdown, it's one of the many reasons why I hate the Galaxy Tab.

Fact is now that the difference is so close that it is (to me) as much as makes no difference. When picking up to perform a task, any lack of responsiveness on the N7 is completely made up for by the configurability of the apps and widgets - meaning I can perform my tasks on there in half the time it takes me to do the same thing with my ipad.

Anyone in any doubt about just how advanced you can be with the setup should look at Android Tasker to see just how incredibly clever you can be with things, if you are patient enough to invest time setting it up.

Examples I've seen include:
  • disable pattern lock when I'm connected to my home WiFi
  • "I have it send an sms to my wife if I am at work and battery level is below 10 percent"
  • Turn WiFi On When Entering Home
  • Enable Silent Mode Based on Approximate Location
  • Open Media apps list when headset plugged in
  • etc..etc.

Hardware Specs / Benchmarks like these are very much only a small part of the overall package.
 
I like these articles. Please keep posting them.

I find the articles interesting - these are stats that you often don't hear about but do really matter.

yea i get it. it's just the way the articles are written, just sounds defensive. look at the recent headline of "Samsung Fails to Win Presidential Veto..." i love certain apple products as much as you do, but i find these a bit immature and obviously to stir up some readers. i guess i just miss the old macrumors where it focused a lot on just apple products without having to constantly defend them or talk down other products just to make a point.

Oh, of course :confused:

care to elaborate what you're confused about? i mean.. just go look.. those guys talk about just android products and i rarely.. if i even see one.. article talking down apple to make a point in their articles. android has a lot of features better than iOS, and yet i haven't seen them write these comparison articles to make that point or write click bait anti-apple article headlines.
 
The reaction. Time has little to do with the touchscreen and more to do with the software and how fast it reacts. Touchwiz is known for being unbelievably slow and leggy, that's why Samsung is last, and also why they need such impressive specs in all of their devices.
 
macrumors has been posting quite a bunch of these defensive articles lately. i frequent a bunch of other tech blogs, and no one else posts as much "hey look, apple or so and so is so much better than you" articles. i get it.. click bait and the editors seem to enjoy seeing flame wars. just wish this site would go back to the days of posting more mac related articles instead. go to droidlife.. they seem to get it.. just post news about what you started the site in the first place for. avoid posting article headlines that just stir up the crowd.

This is Macrumors, not 'OtherTechRumors' or 'PraiseTheOppositionRumours'.

These kind of articles are very interesting to read given Apple never advertises or mentions these tiny details, and cognitively, most users never even think about or notice these tiny benefits or market-leading features, yet we all somehow love Apple and their products because 'they just work'.
 
This is Macrumors, not 'OtherTechRumors' or 'PraiseTheOppositionRumours'.

i wish that was still the case.. yet where are the Mac rumors? most days all you see are lawsuit or iOS articles or gold these and that. and like i mentioned.. other sites seem to write just fine about their specified products without having to defend itself against competition constantly. and you contradict yourself.. this site does write about "OtherTechRumors" all the time. just look at a page or so back about the Surface.
 
yea i get it. it's just the way the articles are written, just sounds defensive. look at the recent headline of "Samsung Fails to Win Presidential Veto..." i love certain apple products as much as you do, but i find these a bit immature and obviously to stir up some readers. i guess i just miss the old macrumors where it focused a lot on just apple products without having to constantly defend them or talk down other products just to make a point.



care to elaborate what you're confused about? i mean.. just go look.. those guys talk about just android products and i rarely.. if i even see one.. article talking down apple to make a point in their articles. android has a lot of features better than iOS, and yet i haven't seen them write these comparison articles to make that point or write click bait anti-apple article headlines.

I guess it doesn't invoke the same reaction, at all, from me. But being pro-Apple isn't a bad thing. I guess my question is, how would it be better worded?
 
I guess it doesn't invoke the same reaction, at all, from me. But being pro-Apple isn't a bad thing. I guess my question is, how would it be better worded?

well let me use the most recent lawsuit article as an example again.. why not just headline it "President allows (or decides not to veto) Samsung import ban in Apple patent case." even though it might seem like such a small detail.. using "fail" in there just invokes a certain kind of tone.. it's like a subtle way to stir up, or like some would say.. "troll" readers.

but yea.. i get it. if you are all for apple.. these don't jump out at you.. but for some like me who do not side with just one company or brand.. and just want to read up on all tech.. going from other tech sites to macrumors.. you do see a difference. and sometimes i do see that glimpse of why others say apple is cult like. and i'm not saying being all pro-apple is a bad thing.. hey.. i love geeking out on certain things also, so please don't take my observations as an attack. i apologize if that's how it's coming through.
 
Hardware Specs / Benchmarks like these are very much only a small part of the overall package.

Heh, I think the fundamental way a device works and responds to input is a HUGE part of the overall package, and means more than a lot of other capabilities on top of it.

I don't care how many CPU cores or GPUs a desktop computer has if the mouse has a dust bunny jammed in the emitter...
 
I've frequently had to use my friend's Samsung devices and coming from my iDevices it feels like being punished. I'm often double tapping, not sure whether the initial touch has registered or not.
 
Heh, I think the fundamental way a device works and responds to input is a HUGE part of the overall package, and means more than a lot of other capabilities on top of it.

I don't care how many CPU cores or GPUs a desktop computer has if the mouse has a dust bunny jammed in the emitter...

Right, so functionality doesn't matter? So who cares if it takes 10 clicks more to do a task, just so long as when I spend the extra 15 seconds doing it I am saving 50miliseconds each touch.

And 0.05 seconds is hardly a dust bunny...
 
Of course, with iGadgets, we get what we pay for, the best & the most beautiful!
 
macrumors has been posting quite a bunch of these defensive articles lately. i frequent a bunch of other tech blogs, and no one else posts as much "hey look, apple or so and so is so much better than you" articles. i get it.. click bait and the editors seem to enjoy seeing flame wars. just wish this site would go back to the days of posting more mac related articles instead. go to droidlife.. they seem to get it.. just post news about what you started the site in the first place for. avoid posting article headlines that just stir up the crowd.

*ahem* its an apple site?... I'm not surprised in the slightest that we see reports and stats about various products coming outta Apple, hey its better than the alternative, stats about Samsung products ;)

I have been known to frequent The Verge, Engadget, TUAW among others, but I go there for interesting news and blogs, info about various technological breakthroughs, not really much to do about Apple on those sites... (apart from TUAW)
 
Right, so functionality doesn't matter? So who cares if it takes 10 clicks more to do a task, just so long as when I spend the extra 15 seconds doing it I am saving 50miliseconds each touch.

And 0.05 seconds is hardly a dust bunny...

Both are important. Touch response delay is unnatural for our brain which is used to immediate reaction from a real-world environment. If it's too long - relative to our brain's "processing speed" - it will make the device feel unresponsive, no matter how quickly the app opens afterwards. Brain needs to see immediate reaction to user input - something changing on the display in response to the touch, even though it's maybe a simple UI animation and nothing useful to see, but as long as it's presented immediately, brain's happily fooled.

How long it takes to carry out an action is a different matter, one that the user can appreciate on a much higher level of thought, rather than the subconscious low-level sensory/motorics brain processes.

There's a close loop action-reaction servo system between our senses and our motions - that's how manage to manipulate objects in real world with a level of precision. Add an undue delay into the loop and it becomes much harder to even hold something steady or to scroll to the right part of a page etc. This delay simply isn't just a fraction of the app opening time, there's it's much more significant despite reading in tens of miliseconds. It wouldn't be enjoyable to drive a powerful car if the steering had a 100ms lag to any adjustment you made.
 
well let me use the most recent lawsuit article as an example again.. why not just headline it "President allows (or decides not to veto) Samsung import ban in Apple patent case." even though it might seem like such a small detail.. using "fail" in there just invokes a certain kind of tone.. it's like a subtle way to stir up, or like some would say.. "troll" readers.

but yea.. i get it. if you are all for apple.. these don't jump out at you.. but for some like me who do not side with just one company or brand.. and just want to read up on all tech.. going from other tech sites to macrumors.. you do see a difference. and sometimes i do see that glimpse of why others say apple is cult like. and i'm not saying being all pro-apple is a bad thing.. hey.. i love geeking out on certain things also, so please don't take my observations as an attack. i apologize if that's how it's coming through.

Dude, you're completely fine. And you are right, headlines are different everywhere. Of course they are skewed on a Mac site. I would be SURPRISED as hell if they were.

You know who has worse headiness? Gizmodo.
 
I had 2 replacement for my iPad mini due to touch screen not working. The first time was the bottom left not responsive and the second unit's whole screen not working after a week of usage.
 
One thing I think is surprising is that it seems like Samsung, a company that makes touchscreens AND phones/tablets, seems to do the worst in these tests. You would think that with that advantage, they would be able to excel here. I wonder if its the display they are using or if it is the touchwiz software... I would assume those are the only two major things (apart from maybe the logic board?) separating Samsung apart from other Android devices in regards to response time?

And I am assuming Apples control over hardware and software gives them an added benefit in this area which they DID use to their advantage.

Perhaps it is because Samsung adds the most bloat ware to their devices.

I have used my friends' s3 and s4 and I definitely felt like they were laggy. It felt wrong and somewhat cheap. Did not appeal to me.
 
Was this tested with iOS6 or iOS7 (after you wait for the icons to fly into place before you can tap on something)?
 
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