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Nexus 7 is cheaper, with a better screen, more ram, quad core. The mini will sell on it's name alone.

The nexus 7 is indeed cheaper.
It doesn't have a better screen. There's more to a screen than ppi, believe it or not. The mini has better colour saturation and brightness.
Quad core and yet it's slower. Look at anandtech's benchmarks.
The mini will sell on quality.

For you Android fans who only care about specs you sure don't know your specs very well, do you? The mini has better specs, better apps, better OS, better build. Seems like a bargain compared to that Nexus 7 "tablet".
 
Since Apple decided that the lifespan of iOS devices will be dictated on them. I can easily see the day in a couple of years when iOS 8 comes out and the minimum spec is 1GB of RAM. Furthermore, lack of RAM has been the number one reason Safari has crashed on my iPad 1 (256MB). I can easily see it happening on the mini if enough tabs and apps are open.

When has Apple limited iOS based on RAM? As for your iPad 1, you're talking about a 2.5 year old product. In the tech world, it's OLD. Having said that, beyond Safari occasionally crashing, it sounds like you're still able to use it. How's that going for you? I'm sure it's still just as amazing as when you opened it up and slipped it out of the plastic.

Don't buy into specs don't make a difference.

256MB RAM on iPad 1 vs 1GB on iPad 3 is a huge difference.

same with an A4 chip on an iPhone 4 vs a 1.3GHz A6 chip on the iPhone 5

Sure. Have you used the iPad mini with 512MB and an A5 chip yet? Use it, then compare it to an iPad mini running something better... oh wait...

You're missing part of the argument. It's not that the Mini will be an unusable piece of crap. It's that if current-gen Apple devices are running A6 chips with 1GB of RAM, then so should the Mini. The only thing "mini" about it should be the screen.

It's like saying the BMW 3 series should have the 5.0L engine from the 7 series. Does that make any sense? Didn't think so. It doesn't fit and it doesn't really help.
 
It's like saying the BMW 3 series should have the 5.0L engine from the 7 series. Does that make any sense? Didn't think so. It doesn't fit and it doesn't really help.

That's a pretty terrible analogy. You must think you're clever. At $329, the Mini is not a low-end product. If the full size iPad is the 7 Series, then the Mini is the 5 Series. So fine, maybe an argument could be made that it shouldn't have the A6. But for God's sake, at least give it an A5X.
 
I can't wait to see the iPad Mini vs iPad 4th Gen when it comes to benchmarks. It'll be interesting!

If the Mini does, in fact, carry 512 MB of RAM, I don't think it will be much of an issue. A lot of people are comparing it to the Nexus 7, claiming the Mini is priced too high for nerfed specs. However, what kind of specs are really needed to run iOS compared to Android 4.1?

Honestly, I would prefer the integrated iOS6 over Android, even if the specs are nerfed slightly. For day-to-day use, I don't think you'll notice any obvious hiccups.
 
The amount of misinformation being spread here about the Nexus 7 is pretty shocking, even for an Apple forum. The N7 is an amazing budget tablet with great performance. The blown up phone apps thing makes me laugh, those saying this are just regurgitating propaganda from Apple keynotes. Android tablets have come a long way and really aren't that bad these days, many apps have been updated with tablet support. If you lie to yourself like this you miss out on great products. Seriously guys, we can be an Apple fanboy forum without being dicks about it.

As far as the ram goes in the mini, the iPad 2 performed well for the ram it had, so I imagine things will work fine on the mini. There were some crashes and page reloading on the iPad 2 but many of the iPad 1 problems were fixed in that revision. The iPad 1 had far too little ram even at its time of release. For this res, 512 seems to be a fairly acceptable.

But yes, this won't future proof the mini. Going by Apple's playbook, retina is already a guaranteed feature in the next mini. Many may be better off waiting if they're considering buying this to replace their current iPad. This is definitely an early adopter tablet. It looks great to me though and I'll pick one up, but I expect it to have a similar lifespan to the iPad 1 due to the semi dated specs.
 
The thing that concerns me when considering the ipad mini is how future proof is it? Are apple going to ditch it after 1 update? It doesn't sound too promising tbh
 
Welcome to your membership here, I've been a member for years, mostly just observe, but have noticed over the years the infiltration of trolls who have nothing better to do in life than join fan forums in order to quash people's happiness and joy, just to "prove their superiority." I don't believe we shouldn't challenge each other and Apple, but there are members here (I've chided one such member twice in the past day for trolling behaviour) who have nothing positive to say about Apple or people who like Apple products. I don't understand someone whose life is so empty they feel the need to visit forums like this simply so they can attack person and product - it boggles the mind.

I just wonder how many people don't ever join in any of the discussions because of all the jerks ready to pounce and attack, or the visitors who come here and see the arguments and fights and simply leave and never return. I've never visited Android forums so I've no idea whether Apple fans go there and do the same - I would certainly hope not, but I fear people are the same all over and it has nothing to do with platform affiliation?

I don't understand being part of a topic that doesn't concern you. I understand people in this topic who really wanted the iPad mini, but were disappointed with specs. Somehow, we almost always know the product before its released now. We were told it wouldn't have a Retina display, so we should have expected a "slower" chip. I'm pretty sure Apple would have rather put a retina display and 512 chip than a gig chip and this display, but they couldn't make the money they wanted. Get over it.

If you want the superior tablet, get the 4.
Get your wife/girlfriend the mini and life is good.

(Only of you have the iPhone 5, it's the superior product :p)

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The thing that concerns me when considering the ipad mini is how future proof is it? Are apple going to ditch it after 1 update? It doesn't sound too promising tbh

They ditch everything after 1-2 updates right?
Would you have expected a "new iPad" then 6 months later the IPad 4? I wouldn't have, I will tell you that! Ha. iPad mini, the new iPad, iPhone 5= good logic.

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Smaller tablet means smaller all around. I am sure Apple knows what they are doing, or at least they want us to think they do.

In my head when I think of Apple's HQ, I see a long chain of command that no longer has Steve Jobs, and they are running around wondering what to do cause no one can figure it out.

With out Steve, it feels like that little piece of the apple that is bitten off, is a representation of apple's soul loosing a piece. But they still have things they were working on when he was around. When it comes to next season, its gonna feels like you took our the core of the apple, and cut into 8 pieces, then maybe put some peanut butter on it.

Without is one word, so I lost respect for this whole post.

Steve Jobs held an iPad mini years ago and said it was ****.

Would he say that about this one? Who knows but why do you care? He was a marketer that sucked you into his MONEY HUNGRY company. I respect him for every part of this. He was an AMAZING business man. He came out with the iPod mini right? Did Cook choose the right name? Is there a nano in the future?

It's the same company. They make decisions and we support them. They tell us it's the best, the easiest and the most beautiful device on the market. What company doesn't do this? We like Apple, we own Apple's, we can buy future Apple's if they're cool enough.

Time to innovate- iPhone and iPad have hit their gimmick stage. If you add projection and a texture changing glass surface, it's still a gimmick. Holograms... What will it take to wow everyone?

The release of a new product line.
 
The amount of misinformation being spread here about the Nexus 7 is pretty shocking, even for an Apple forum. The N7 is an amazing budget tablet with great performance. The blown up phone apps thing makes me laugh, those saying this are just regurgitating propaganda from Apple keynotes. Android tablets have come a long way and really aren't that bad these days, many apps have been updated with tablet support. If you lie to yourself like this you miss out on great products. Seriously guys, we can be an Apple fanboy forum without being dicks about it.

Thank you for this. As I said before, I love my Apple products, but the N7 goes toe-to-toe with the iPad 3 and even outperforms it in some cases. Sure, maybe the 4th gen iPad will be better, but the N7 wasn't designed to compete with it in the first place. And it only costs 2 bills. Not exactly apples to apples (pun not intended).

I predict the N7 will categorically outperform the Mini.

And yes, Apple's app support for tablets is better than Android's, but Google Play has some nice stuff going on too. It's not as bad as some of you make it out to be.
 
Thank you for this. As I said before, I love my Apple products, but the N7 goes toe-to-toe with the iPad 3 and even outperforms it in some cases. Sure, maybe the 4th gen iPad will be better, but the N7 wasn't designed to compete with it in the first place. And it only costs 2 bills. Not exactly apples to apples (pun not intended).

I predict the N7 will categorically outperform the Mini.

And yes, Apple's app support for tablets is better than Android's, but Google Play has some nice stuff going on too. It's not as bad as some of you make it out to be.

Sounds like it's still bad...lol
I hope Apple buys Yahoo. That would be fun :cool::apple:
 
That's a pretty terrible analogy. You must think you're clever. At $329, the Mini is not a low-end product. If the full size iPad is the 7 Series, then the Mini is the 5 Series. So fine, maybe an argument could be made that it shouldn't have the A6. But for God's sake, at least give it an A5X.

Sorry my analogy didn't fit your standard. I don't think I'm clever, I was merely trying to illustrate my argument using an analogy. So yes sure, let's make it the 5 series.

Saying the mini isn't a low-end product is a matter of relativity, and thus it is dependent on what you're comparing it to. Relative to the full-fledged iPad it most certainly is, as it comes in at a $170 lower price point.

The only variance with the 'X' is the quad core graphics, which Apple's engineers may have deemed unnecessary with the smaller screen.
 
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I'm one of the people who had RAM issues with my iPad 2. I'm wondering if the smaller screen will make a difference to the amount of memory the mini uses. In other words, will 512 be enough for it while it wasn't for the iPad 2?

Anyone have any clue?
 
Let's face it - even if it's non-retina and low ram, you'll all buy it, then upgrade to the retina mini with 1gb ram in 6 months time :p

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I'm one of the people who had RAM issues with my iPad 2. I'm wondering if the smaller screen will make a difference to the amount of memory the mini uses. In other words, will 512 be enough for it while it wasn't for the iPad 2?

Anyone have any clue?

It's the same resolution as the iPad 2... just smaller physically.
 
I'm curious why people think a retina screen is possible on this device, even in the future. That would be the same resolution as the full-sized model, and doesn't seem feasible given the a) the size constraints, b) the cost/price limitations and c) that it may pull people away from spending another $170 for a retina screen full-size iPad. What Apple did was genius - the iPad mini's screen is 163 ppi, making it sharper than the iPad 2 that has 132ppi, yet certainly much less than the full-sized iPad's 264ppi retina screen.
 
Let's face it - even if it's non-retina and low ram, you'll all buy it, then upgrade to the retina mini with 1gb ram in 6 months time :p

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It's the same resolution as the iPad 2... just smaller physically.

No I won't. Personally I don't care about retina. But the ram may be an issue. I like the form factor but I'm not going to,buy it and then upgrade in 6 months. That's not something I ever do. If I buy it, I'll keep it for a couple of years. And I don't really need it. It just would be easier to travel with but I'm very willing to just keep using my iPad 3.
 
When has Apple limited iOS based on RAM? As for your iPad 1, you're talking about a 2.5 year old product. In the tech world, it's OLD. Having said that, beyond Safari occasionally crashing, it sounds like you're still able to use it. How's that going for you? I'm sure it's still just as amazing as when you opened it up and slipped it out of the plastic.
I had the misfortune of updating to iOS 5. It's laggy and jerky and crashing ever since and with Apple there is no going back. Now that they have moved to iCloud you are forced to keep fairly recent to the iOS update path. Want iBooks? update the OS. On top of that more and more developers are moving their apps out of the older OSs and in some cases this forces you to update if you want a usable app, just like iCloud.
 
Agree, I can't wait to hear their excuse.

you'll probably be waiting a while. better find a comfy chair.




anyway, they dont have an excuse, they have a reason. It's to make money. But you knew that already.

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I'm curious why people think a retina screen is possible on this device, even in the future. That would be the same resolution as the full-sized model, and doesn't seem feasible given the a) the size constraints, b) the cost/price limitations and c) that it may pull people away from spending another $170 for a retina screen full-size iPad. What Apple did was genius - the iPad mini's screen is 163 ppi, making it sharper than the iPad 2 that has 132ppi, yet certainly much less than the full-sized iPad's 264ppi retina screen.

a - iPhone4 etc
b - things get cheaper over time
c - apple are very skilled at making you want the thing that's $170 more, but primarily, at getting you to buy at least something made by them... "if only it wasnt' $170 more! oh well, i'll buy this cheaper one instead - its nearly as good.
 
Saying the mini isn't a low-end product is a matter of relativity, and thus it is dependent on what you're comparing it to. Relative to the full-fledged iPad it most certainly is, as it comes in at a $170 lower price point.

The only variance with the 'X' is the quad core graphics, which Apple's engineers may have deemed unnecessary with the smaller screen.

Indeed, it is relative. Its competition, the N7, costs $199, so a $329 price tag sends a fairly obvious message: Apple isn't gunning for the low-end.

And the A5X also would've allowed for the jump to 1 GB of RAM, which is the entire point of this thread. C'mon, keep up guy.
 
I'm one of the people who had RAM issues with my iPad 2. I'm wondering if the smaller screen will make a difference to the amount of memory the mini uses. In other words, will 512 be enough for it while it wasn't for the iPad 2?

Anyone have any clue?

no it has no affect on screen size, as the resolution is the same, the amount of memory use is the same (ie. if you replace your desktop 1920x1080 22" monitor with a 55" big screen TV of same resolution, your desktop wont use more ram)

Power consumption will go down as there is less screen to power up and a smaller backlight. However, compared to the Nexus 7 it has roughly the same size battery, while having 40% more area. I dont think the battery in real life usage will be longer than Nexus 7.

I honestly expected an A6 to be in the ipad mini with 1-2GB ram. The portability factor enables it to hit the enterprise market which loads heavy documents and emails.

Do realize that an iphone 5 (1136 x 640) has less pixels than a iPad mini (1024 x 768). If you are looking for future proofing, A6 would have been the answer. the 1st gen iPad mini is Apple's perfect move to re-use older off the shelf components (A5 which shares with iPad2 and the 99 dollar Apple TV)
 
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no it has no affect on screen size, as the resolution is the same, the amount of memory use is the same (ie. if you replace your desktop 1920x1080 22" monitor with a 55" big screen TV of same resolution, your desktop wont use more ram)

Power consumption will go down as there is less screen to power up and a smaller backlight.

I honestly expected an A6 to be in the ipad mini with 1-2GB ram. The portability factor enables it to hit the enterprise market which loads heavy documents and emails.

Do realize that an iphone 5 (1136 x 640) has less pixels than a iPad mini (1024 x 768). If you are looking for future proofing, A6 would have been the answer. the 1st gen iPad mini is Apple's perfect move to re-use older off the shelf components (A5 which shares with iPad2 and the 99 dollar Apple TV)

that is something I wanted, but realistically you knew this would be priced between a touch and a normal ipad. No way they would offer that for $329...apple would have wanted $500
 
This mini was spec'd a long time ago... I'd say sometime in 2010. :eek: I hope for larger flash storage next go round - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1474627/

The iPad mini will be such a money maker for Apple due to their normal business model of profits from margins no company in the world will come close to their revenue & gross profits for years to come... then the 2nd Gen will hopefully be spec'd legit, so I/we buy again!
 
that is something I wanted, but realistically you knew this would be priced between a touch and a normal ipad. No way they would offer that for $329...apple would have wanted $500

for $500 I expect a A6x.... oh look, they do have one, even thrown in a retina display. :D
 
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