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"More capable" based on what evidence? Having more storage and having more capability are two entirely different creatures. You could just as easily argue that having a 40% smaller screen alone would make the Nexus Android "crap" less capable, or that the lack of tablet-specific apps (don't worry, I know that Android apps are generally not classified as tablet-specific because for the most part they scale well to a 7" screen, but since you are declaring a victory based on one spec alone, turnabout is fair play).

FWIW, I do think the Nexus 7 is a good device for the money, and its price and apparent storage bump will make it even more attractive (I suspect this is an attempt to pre-empt whatever Apple may announce). But your above statement is the same sort of fanboyism that Apple fans on this forum are often accused of, considering that the specs of the iPad Mini are not even known yet, nor is the price.

I think Apple may actually be more aggressive with the price of the iPad Mini than it typically is, because it is entering this particular segment of the market later than some competitors, and it is not introducing any revolutionary new concept or form factor. Apple's guidance for this quarter was for a lower than usual gross margin, which could well be because of the iPad Mini. Some had suggested that the main reason for the reduced margin was the iPhone 5, but from what I have read, Apple still has an incredibly high margin on that phone.

I'm hoping that Apple will introduce the iPad Mini for $249 with 8 GB of storage, which with its larger screen and typical Apple fit and finish will not look too bad overall compared to the Nexus (although you can be sure that Google will tout its higher storage capacity and lower price). Of course, iPad buyers wanting to get the most out of their devices would probably be well advised to buy a model with more storage, and the up-sell could help boost Apple's margins closer to their usual level, with prices around $349 for 16 GB and $449 for 32 GB.

Google has completely mismanaged Android. It's a mess. Anyone that has used Android and iOS for more than 5 mins each would never think Android is more capable than iOS or an equal or better user experience. It could have been, but it's not.

Neither of you have ever spent a week with the Nexus 7 , otherwise you wouldn't be saying such stupid things.

There are many reasons, Google it.

My Favorite thing about the Nexus 7 , uTorrent , BitTorrent and being able to sideload Apps

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The Galaxy Nexus is Pentile, but the Nexus 7 is not. The Nexus 7 screen has a RGB sub pixel configuration, IPS display.

Oh no, .....facts don't go over well here.

Expect a note from the mods ....or a time out for your comments against the almighty Apple
 
Tell you what, WHEN you can post links to factual proof of ONLY Apple's app store earnings to back your claims up then I'll believe you, until such time I shall have my own opinions and beliefs ok? Because I'm pretty sure Apple hasn't gone to all this trouble with the app store, contracts with developers, etc etc etc just to take a 30% cut from every app and every in app sale just to sell hardware.

As I stated earlier, as NEITHER argument can be backed up with specific proof then it is ALL opinionated.

It's called common knowledge. Ask anyone who knows anything about the industry, such as an analyst, or a consultant, ask someone who knows about business strategy and business models, they will all tell you the same thing, which is what I just told you. You are free to disbelieve the experts, but it's not a practice I would recommend.

Rather than my posting several links to articles showing other more credible people then me stating that the iTMS and App Stores are both loss leaders (unique in that they do earn a bit of profit, but that's irrelevant and doesn't change the fact they are loss leaders) and having you deny the veracity or accuracy or whatever other reason you choose to cling to your position, do a quick search yourself on the googlemachine with "loss leader" and "app store" or "itms" and you'll see lots of articles explaining this. Amazon's, Google's and Barnes and Noble's loss leaders are the Kindle, N7 and Nook (in order) which they sell to drive people to buy their content, the exact opposite of Apple's business model and usage of their loss leader.
 
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What bothers me is, I'm sure by now all the rumours are true, iPad 2 in a mini case. But I'd say apple is already started developing the iPad mini 2 which will have retina and a6 processors. So by the spring, this inferior mini will b even more inferior when the proper mini is released
 
It'll probably be £329, Apple tends to ignore exchange rates. :rolleyes:

For all the current iPad lineup, take the US$ number and multiply by about 0.8 to get the UK price, which is why I'm going for £279 if this pricing rumour is correct. When you factor in exchange rate plus 20% UK tax, we'll be getting fleeced by about £30 on that price compared to the Americans.
 
I for one will not be buying one unless it comes with sandpaper. :) Its too small for apps to work. Why is apple copying what others are doing? We should have struck with the 10 inch tabs and 3.5inch phones. With Tim at the helm it looks all the attention is to stop the growth of google and android and kill the competition. You will never achieve anything with that attitude, apple used to have more conviction with jobs at the top. 7 inch is ok for readers but for web experience you need at least 10 inches of screen.
 
I for one will not be buying one unless it comes with sandpaper. :) Its too small for apps to work. Why is apple copying what others are doing? We should have struck with the 10 inch tabs and 3.5inch phones. With Tim at the helm it looks all the attention is to stop the growth of google and android and kill the competition. You will never achieve anything with that attitude, apple used to have more conviction with jobs at the top. 7 inch is ok for readers but for web experience you need at least 10 inches of screen.

I disagree completely with most of what you say. It's not too small, otherwise the iPhone and iPod Touch would both be minuscule. Think about it. If apps run on the iPhone and iPod Touch and do so well, they can run the same apps on a slightly larger screen and run perhaps even better with more real estate.

This tablet isn't just for web or reading, there are other things it would be able to do, such as games (which would be great at this size compared to the iPhone or iPod Touch). For me, the size of it is the most important factor when looking at a tablet, the 7" range is ideal (I have a Kindle which I love, but is crap for PDFs). I had a gen 1 iPad, but felt most of the time it was simply too large to hold comfortably, and now I have an 11" MBA, so a full sized tablet would be redundant. What I need also, though, is high resolution in the screen, so my fingers are crossed that's what we see in at least one version tonight, and if so, I've got my money ready and I'll be ordering asap.
 
What bothers me is, I'm sure by now all the rumours are true, iPad 2 in a mini case. But I'd say apple is already started developing the iPad mini 2 which will have retina and a6 processors. So by the spring, this inferior mini will b even more inferior when the proper mini is released
Inferior? I use my iPad2 every day, I'm using it now. What is inferior on an iPad2? It is way better then the 3, as it is the same speed, better battery, lighter und way cheaper. So everything important for a tablet is well coverted. If I get that tech in a smaller case without change, it would be far from inferior. It would have way higher dpi (I am happy, very happy, with the screen I have), be even lighter and a lot cheaper then the already very reasonable iPad2.
 
sonys never where the cheaper and yet price was not the reason the walkman vanished.


Maybe you lived in a different universe than I. The Walkman was always a tad higher in price than other brands, as all Sony products were at the time, esp. for the features offered, but prices dropped considerably as consumer choice broadened.

Also price obviously wasn't the reason the Walkman vanished. Credit the CD for that (I bought my first Walkman CD player in 1986, only 5 years after my first portable tape player). But price did impact the Walkman given that companies like AIWA, Panasonic, Toshiba were making similar quality products at slightly lower price with more features, like FM radio. Where a Walkman w/o radio was $150, you could get a Panasonic w/ radio for about $20 less.

But to get back to the iPad comparison, Apple isn't going to be new to the 7" category, and Android for tablets is a viable alternative whereas it didn't even exist when the 10" iPad was first announced. Also the first iPad was a veritable bargain at the time, not overpriced. That makes a huge difference in where Apple needs to price a 7" if it wants to capture that market rather than say "me too." Very different situation than when Sony introduced the Walkman.
 
Neither of you have ever spent a week with the Nexus 7 , otherwise you wouldn't be saying such stupid things.

There are many reasons, Google it.

My Favorite thing about the Nexus 7 , uTorrent , BitTorrent and being able to sideload Apps

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Oh no, .....facts don't go over well here.

Expect a note from the mods ....or a time out for your comments against the almighty Apple
I'm not criticizing the Nexus 7. In my post, I even said it's "a good device for the money". I'm calling the act of unequivocally declaring the Nexus 7 superior to an as yet unannounced device fanboyism. You haven't spent a week on the iPad Mini/Air, nor have you even seen its specs or read a review of it. Your point?
 
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and your base is companies that sell their products at a loss just to gain market share. Apple should just follow suit. That would be stupid!

Analysis now believe even at $199 the iPad mini would sell for a small profit (it was it is at iPad 2 resolution).

Google does not need to sell a loss leader, either, especially for a flagship tablet.

And you can now buy NEW full featured Android tablets for less then $77.

The cost of making tables is plummeting, moving to commodity realm.
 
Which $399 tablet is "high end"?

I don't think you are using the same terminology as most people. High end 10" tablets begin at $499, it's called the iPad. Or really, should say $629 for the 4G version. $349-399 is the normal stuff, with anything below that being a sale or utter crap.


Can't do exact comparisons, but a number of what is considered NEW top of line 10" tables are under $499, and the older XOOM is below $399.


Asus Transformer Pad 300 3.8 $351.00 2012-04 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 3 1.20 32 8.5 1.40 0.64
Asus Transformer Prime 3.7 $396.00 2011-12 Android 3.2 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 3 1.30 32,64 10.0 1.29 0.59
Lenovo IdeaTab S2110 4.8 $494.99 2012-07 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Snapdragon S4 1.50 16,32 0.0 1.28 0.58
Samsung Galaxy Tab2 10.1 4.0 $349.00 2012-05 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 TI OMAP 4430 1.00 16,32 9.0 1.28 0.58
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 4.0 $497.99 2011-06 Android 3.1 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 2 1.00 16,32 10.0 1.26 0.57
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 4.5 $497.99 2012-08 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Exynos 4 1.40 16,32 8.0 1.31 0.59
Motorola XOOM 4.1 $355.00 2011-03 Android 3.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 2 1.00 32 8.0 1.60 0.73


Tablets are starting to decrease in price, the beginning of commoditization.

(From http://www.tabletpccomparison.net/)
 
There was an article last week that said there would 4 sizes of iPad Minis, (8, 16, 32 & 64) and that they would start at $249. Now the rumor is that there are 3 sizes of iPad Minis and someone has decided that they are 8, 16 & 32, instead of the more likely 16, 32 and 64, or the even better 32, 64 & 128. Last week the big arguement was whether an 8 GB iPad would be a huge flop, now we are pretty sure its 3 sizes and yet they are still clinging to an 8 GB size despite the cost difference between 8 GB and 16 GB is less then $5.

Thanks for that info. I totally agree with you, if that article was wrong about price and number of sizes, there's no reason to believe it will start at 8 based on that. Obviously we don't know either way, but I'd be shocked if it's not 16, 32, 64 at those prices. Starting at 32 would be even better but I'm not holding my breath.

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The Kindle HD has a 1440 x 900 screen.

Nope, 1280x800. Still more than the rumored resolution for ipad mini, but closer.
 
So now after all the whining about starting at 8 gigs, with no evidence of that at all, it turns out to be 16.

Chumps.
 
Can't do exact comparisons, but a number of what is considered NEW top of line 10" tables are under $499, and the older XOOM is below $399.


Asus Transformer Pad 300 3.8 $351.00 2012-04 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 3 1.20 32 8.5 1.40 0.64
Asus Transformer Prime 3.7 $396.00 2011-12 Android 3.2 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 3 1.30 32,64 10.0 1.29 0.59
Lenovo IdeaTab S2110 4.8 $494.99 2012-07 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Snapdragon S4 1.50 16,32 0.0 1.28 0.58
Samsung Galaxy Tab2 10.1 4.0 $349.00 2012-05 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 TI OMAP 4430 1.00 16,32 9.0 1.28 0.58
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 4.0 $497.99 2011-06 Android 3.1 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 2 1.00 16,32 10.0 1.26 0.57
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 4.5 $497.99 2012-08 Android 4.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Exynos 4 1.40 16,32 8.0 1.31 0.59
Motorola XOOM 4.1 $355.00 2011-03 Android 3.0 10.1 1280 x 800 Nvidia Tegra 2 1.00 32 8.0 1.60 0.73


Tablets are starting to decrease in price, the beginning of commoditization.

(From http://www.tabletpccomparison.net/)
Surprisingly, Apple started the commoditized tablet market at $499. Everyone expected it to be $799-999 those years ago. We are just now starting to see decent hardware for $199.

Out of all the Big Lots! and Fry's specials tablets, the $199 Nexus 7 is still the least amount I would spend to get a decent tablet.
 
Only Apple will say that a >4" phone is too large for the hand, yet talk about how great it is to use a 7.9" iPad mini that fits in one hand.
 
Still $130 more than the equivalent Nexus for the 16GB and $180 more than the 32GB equivalent
The eqivalent? What exactly do you mean? Because it got also 16 Gb? Thats it? A tablet consists of Memory?
You can not really compare the Nexus to the mini? Really, if you do, you will find, that the Nexus is too expensive. I know, I got one of these plastic boxes here, out of battery, as usual after 15:00h.
 
The eqivalent? What exactly do you mean? Because it got also 16 Gb? Thats it? A tablet consists of Memory?
You can not really compare the Nexus to the mini? Really, if you do, you will find, that the Nexus is too expensive. I know, I got one of these plastic boxes here, out of battery, as usual after 15:00h.

Agreed. They showed a 7 inches tablet next to the mini and run some apps.. They are no comparision... Android app suck pretty bad compare to the IOS version (and Apple probably cherry picking the apps but that would be what customer see). Even the web experience are quite different... If someone want to compare spec. Make sure weight is in it also. Ipad mini is going to weight 10.88 oz where Ipad 3 weight 23+oz and Nexus 7 weight 12 oz.. Apple win the packaging game with a bigger tablet (7.87 inches vs 7) but still come out thinner and lighter.. Would be an excellent device to hold it in our hand to use it... I think I will get an LTE version to drown down the sorrow about my IPad 3 get obsolete today by Ipad 4 8-((
 
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