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The thing about the RAM is that people with the iPad 2! once they updated to iOS7 they complained about the same tab reloading issue. Yesterday it was fine with iOS6, then I updated to IOS7 and now it is reloading like crazy.

So, I just don't want to say, tabs reload because the iPad Air has 1GB of ram and it's 64bit.

People have been reporting this reload bug with iPad 2 on iOS7. So just dumping this issue on the Air 1GB and 64bit is silly.

I bet they'll fix it in the final version of iOS8

I'll make that bet with you. :)
 
The thing about the RAM is that people with the iPad 2! once they updated to iOS7 they complained about the same tab reloading issue. Yesterday it was fine with iOS6, then I updated to IOS7 and now it is reloading like crazy.

So, I just don't want to say, tabs reload because the iPad Air has 1GB of ram and it's 64bit.

People have been reporting this reload bug with iPad 2 on iOS7. So just dumping this issue on the Air 1GB and 64bit is silly.

I bet they'll fix it in the final version of iOS8

oh man...
The iPad 2 has 512 Mb, of course is ram limited:
iOS7 is more RAM-hungry than 6, as it should be expected. After all it's more capable, and has expanded multitasking. It's more RAM-hungry "by design", although optimizations are always possible.
If you want to do a fair comparison you have to compare the AIR with the iPad 4, not with the iPAD2. The Air and 4 have the same amount of RAM (1GB) and the same retina display.
I happen to have an iPad 4 and an AIR and the problem is present on the 4, but in a much more limited way. The AIR reloads tabs AND crashes more often.
They are both RAM limited with iOS7 (i think it's gonna be worse with 8 and inter app communication) BUT the problem is clearly more present on the AIR.
 
oh man...
The iPad 2 has 512 Mb, of course is ram limited:
iOS7 is more RAM-hungry than 6, as it should be expected. After all it's more capable, and has expanded multitasking. It's more RAM-hungry "by design", although optimizations are always possible.
If you want to do a fair comparison you have to compare the AIR with the iPad 4, not with the iPAD2. The Air and 4 have the same amount of RAM (1GB) and the same retina display.
I happen to have an iPad 4 and an AIR and the problem is present on the 4, but in a much more limited way. The AIR reloads tabs AND crashes more often.
They are both RAM limited with iOS7 (i think it's gonna be worse with 8 and inter app communication) BUT the problem is clearly more present on the AIR.
Yes. But it has nothing to do with ram. Even ipad 2 with iOS7 started reloading tabs after the update.

The issue with the Air crashing isn't the amount of ram, it is the A7 and iOS7 not working together optimally. That's why it is worse than the other iPads.
 
Honestly, I don't know if there's anything Apple could do with the next-gen iPad Air that I would consider a big enough upgrade from the current-gen.

Basically what I'm saying is I think the iPad Air is pretty much perfect as it is. Sure, it could always be faster/thinner/lighter, but I don't think there's any speed increase/weight decrease/thinness level that would entice an upgrade for me.

Fully agree. I wasn't going to upgrade anyways though. I use my devices for a while before upgrading.

I will say though that a better version of safari or at least a version that uses memory more efficiently would be great. Most here say more RAM would be great. The RAM has never been a problem. It's how the RAM is used and safari is a poor memory manager.
 
Fully agree. I wasn't going to upgrade anyways though. I use my devices for a while before upgrading.

I will say though that a better version of safari or at least a version that uses memory more efficiently would be great. Most here say more RAM would be great. The RAM has never been a problem. It's how the RAM is used and safari is a poor memory manager.
Correct.
 
it won't get fixed so don't get your hopes up

Trust me, my expectations are low. :). I actually have an open support case with Apple regarding this matter. I'm seriously curious what they'll say when IOS 8 is released and the issue remains. I've been a huge fan of IOS devices but this whole Safari crashing issue has left a very bitter taste in my mouth. Apple really should have spent an extra 6 dollars and included 2 GB ram in all A7 devices.
 
Safari constantly reloads tabs - even when I'm only switching back and forth between two - or it crashes because it is out of memory.
Moving to 64-bit means that the iPad Air has less available memory for applications than the iPad 4 before it. (64-bit uses approximately 25% more memory)

I find myself using the iPad a lot less frequently now, since the browsing experience is so poor.
Another issue is that applications are basically never in memory when switching now, so it's very slow to respond when swiping between apps.

I understand what you're saying. I'm surprised this is such a big issue for so many people - I notice the reloads as well but it doesn't interfere with my usage. I've also never experienced a crash (yet).
 
I understand what you're saying. I'm surprised this is such a big issue for so many people - I notice the reloads as well but it doesn't interfere with my usage. I've also never experienced a crash (yet).

Huge issue for me. If I start typing something in one tab and I open a second tab when I go back to tab one it's refreshed itself and I have to start over from scratch. This just happen to be on this website where I was looking up something for a post and my tab auto refreshed. I also have Safari crash at least once a day if not more. I use an rMini and I zoom in a lot on websites and I think that contributes to the crashing issue.
 
I understand what you're saying. I'm surprised this is such a big issue for so many people - I notice the reloads as well but it doesn't interfere with my usage. I've also never experienced a crash (yet).

I'm in the group where I rarely see a reload. Most of the time I keep one tab open and have no more than 1 app running in the background. There have been times when I have seen tab reloads so it's happened to me as well, albeit rare occasion.
 
Yes. But it has nothing to do with ram. Even ipad 2 with iOS7 started reloading tabs after the update.

The issue with the Air crashing isn't the amount of ram, it is the A7 and iOS7 not working together optimally. That's why it is worse than the other iPads.

I'm sure that's not the case. As a matter of fact the iPhone 5s does not reload so much. Not at all! And yet it sports an Apple A7 processor.
 
I'm sure that's not the case. As a matter of fact the iPhone 5s does not reload so much. Not at all! And yet it sports an Apple A7 processor.

It also sports 1GB of RAM.

Thanks for proving me right that it has nothing to do with Ram then.

I appreciate it.
 
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It also sports 1GB of RAM.

Thanks for proving me right that it has nothing to do with Ram then.

I appreciate it.

Ahh you are not very strong with logic are you? Before, you said that it was because of iOS7 not optimized for the A7, now that I remind you that the A7 is also on a device that doesn't have these problems (at least not so much) you say I have proven your point. :rolleyes:

Well, let me explain. Yes, the 5s and iPad Air have the same amount of RAM,
B U T
WHOPS!!
...the iPad Air screen resolution is 2048x1536, while the iPhone 5s screen resolution is 1136x640.
I hope i don't have to remind you that the iPad screen res requires much more RAM than the iPhone.

So:
iPad 3/4 = 1 gb of ram, big retina screen, non 64 bit processor. Fine
iPhone 5 = 1 gb of ram, small retina screen, non 64 bit processor. Fine
iPhone 5s = 1 gb of ram, SMALL retina screen, 64 bit processor. Fine
iPad Air = 1 gb of ram, BIG retina screen, 64 bit processor. PROBLEMS
...
Anyway I won't be able to convince you, because you don't want to see facts for what they are. You are just in denial.
iPad Air 2? = 2 gb of ram, BIG retina screen, 64 bit processor. Fine. Meanwhile your Air on iOS8 will keep reloading tabs, and/or crash with low memory logs...but you will still deny it's a ram problem!
...you'll see.
 
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I don't think there's anything they can add to make me upgrade my iPad this fall. My iPad Mini already does pretty much everything I need a tablet to do. I might upgrade next year due to the need for more processing power and the retina display will be a nice upgrade as well.
 
A lighter iPad. The current one is uncomfortable to hold for long periods of time.

More RAM. Touch ID.

That's it.

Might I recommend lifting something? Even the smallest amount of physical movement in a day should allow you to hold a 1lb device very easily.

And to contribute to the thread, there's nothing I can particularly think of that will have me itching to upgrade from the current Air. I'd like to see the A8, RAM boost, and improved battery life, but even with all of those I can't see it being worth upgrading.
 
I have an iPad 3 and it's weight doesn't bother me. However, I am constantly banging up against my 32 GB limit, so I am upgrading. I want the fingerprint reader, which is why I didn't upgrade to the Air.
 
Might I recommend lifting something? Even the smallest amount of physical movement in a day should allow you to hold a 1lb device very easily.

And to contribute to the thread, there's nothing I can particularly think of that will have me itching to upgrade from the current Air. I'd like to see the A8, RAM boost, and improved battery life, but even with all of those I can't see it being worth upgrading.

I'm coming from an iPad mini....it's definitely heavier for me.
I'm perfectly okay with lifting heavy things but it's a noticeable difference when you come from an iPad mini ;)
 
I'd like to see the A8, RAM boost, and improved battery life, but even with all of those I can't see it being worth upgrading.

I can. If I see all 4 improvements you've listed, I'll make that switch. But at minimum, there needs to be 2 GB. All the Apple fanboys will tell you that 1 GB is enough even when our iPads keep crashing due to low memory.
 
Here's the things I'm looking for:
  • Split Screen Mode
  • Refinement in design (Lighter, thinner, better screen, battery life, improved speakers, etch)
  • Improved stability with Safari and reduced tab refreshing (More Memory)
  • Standard Processor jump
 
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new rumor is saying that iPad Air 2 might have 2GB ram while Mini is still with 1GB RAM.

IF this is true, might be a game changer. No longer the defining difference between Mini and Air is only the screen size.
 
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