Agree. With the MBP, Pro actually means deluxe. With the Mac Pro, it does mean Pro. IPP should be the iPad Plus
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iPad Pro and Apple Pencil Compared to Surface Pro 4 and Surface Pen
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No. It can do, without breaking iOS into something overly complex.
1. Full featured apps, so the app on the iPad is the same as the app on the desktop
2. File system. Not needed, it just needs to be app present, so you can add/remove folders. Get a file from USB or elsewhere, drag it to the app where you can store in your user created folder
These two features would allow you to use an iPad as if it was a full OS, but iOS would still have the same look and feel. Split View, pencil, keyboard and better BT pairing to any available device would make it a laptop replacement when required, but still retain the tablet experience. BT mouse would be huge. Holiday, flight, business trip, you have a full yet portable laptop. Back home, use it for consumption as the MBP is nicer .
It doesnt have to be a Surface, it doesnt have to have OSX. It has to have the apps and functions, no more is needed
One is a computer and a tablet, the other is a tablet. The OS on each forces that to be the case.
As one said earlier, a car or a motorcycle
What is a desktop experience?
Computing wise , its the apps and the functions, its not the table and comfy chair
Good post.
But iOS isn't simplistic though, its just missing key features that aid usefulness. Some file system access, full apps as you say, access to USB, BT mouse. Not really a lot needed to be able to sit down and do what you can now do in Win 10 or OSX
I just got back from the Apple Store to try out the iPad Pro.
Errrrr..... I really don't get what all the fuss is about.
The Pencil. It doesn't feel great in the hand, it doesn't feel fantastic against the screen.
Tilt doesn't really add anything. Not that impressed really.
The iPad is stupidly large and looks daft in with the keyboard.
The keyboard wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Actually feels better than the MacBook.
Apple Watch section was deserted and I steered clear of it just in case I'd be mobbed by retail staff.
Had a play with the SurfaceBook. Pretty damn fine indeed but not sure I'd buy one over a Surface Pro. I can't justify the extra cash. Maybe version 2.
Looks like I'll be upgrading to a Surface Pro 4 for Crimbo.
Errrrr..... I really don't get what all the fuss is about.
The Pencil. It doesn't feel great in the hand, it doesn't feel fantastic against the screen.
Tilt doesn't really add anything. Not that impressed really.
The iPad is stupidly large and looks daft in with the keyboard.
The keyboard wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Actually feels better than the MacBook.
Apple Watch section was deserted and I steered clear of it just in case I'd be mobbed by retail staff.
Had a play with the SurfaceBook. Pretty damn fine indeed but not sure I'd buy one over a Surface Pro. I can't justify the extra cash. Maybe version 2.
Looks like I'll be upgrading to a Surface Pro 4 for Crimbo.
From an artists perspective:
I have a sp4, its a buggy experience, but is powerful enough for all my professiomal art needs. The pen is lacking, imo, but it's good enough for illustration work.
My IPP has a slight advantage in the pen, but lacks completely in the software end. iOS is too limited for me. I Really wish Apple would do a OS X tablet. These things are powerful enough for my needs, but I need photoshop at a minimum.
IPP is a great toy sketch pad, but I am still chained to Windows and cintiq companion 2 for now, its pen is unmatched, and it's the only option that fills my professional needs, despite its shortcomings as a tablet.
I'm returning the sp4, and keeping the IPP, I still work on the companion, but for fun personal sketching or painting I prefer the IPP
One day I hope to have one tablet for all my professional needs. Maybe companion 3 will do it. There pen is still significantly better than apple's. If only the battery life didn't suck so bad.......
I have a sp4, its a buggy experience, but is powerful enough for all my professiomal art needs. The pen is lacking, imo, but it's good enough for illustration work.
My IPP has a slight advantage in the pen, but lacks completely in the software end. iOS is too limited for me. I Really wish Apple would do a OS X tablet. These things are powerful enough for my needs, but I need photoshop at a minimum.
IPP is a great toy sketch pad, but I am still chained to Windows and cintiq companion 2 for now, its pen is unmatched, and it's the only option that fills my professional needs, despite its shortcomings as a tablet.
I'm returning the sp4, and keeping the IPP, I still work on the companion, but for fun personal sketching or painting I prefer the IPP
One day I hope to have one tablet for all my professional needs. Maybe companion 3 will do it. There pen is still significantly better than apple's. If only the battery life didn't suck so bad.......
Yes, on some levels I agree with you. But that definition would have to include the ability to run full OSx apps, and I suppose windows emulation as well. File system and mouse are no brainers and those omissions are quite perplexing. That's the frustrating part about it, there is nothing keeping Apple from doing this. Maybe it makes more sense to say iOS is simplistic in it's current form. The necessity of such simplicity has passed us with the maturation of hardware.
Adobe estimates 6 million Creative Cloud subscribers by end of year. That is $50 a month and gives you all of their full programs. I love the subscription model, but most hate it. I just love it because I use so many of their apps and used to have to buy multiple $600 updates for different packages back in the day.
I know TONS of people with full Adobe programs, but that is the circle I run in (film, design, and publishing). Of the dozens of people I've worked with, none of them were subscribers, so they don't count towards that 6 million. Most people are still clinging to their older versions to avoid the subscription.
Apple released the iPad Pro last week as a direct competitor to Microsoft's new Surface Pro 4. The high-end tablets are primarily targeted at creative professionals, with the companion Apple Pencil and Surface Pen available as precise input tools to complement your finger.
iMore has shared a new video that compares sketching with the Apple Pencil on the iPad Pro to the Surface Pen on Microsoft's new Surface Book, which has equivalent display technology as the Surface Pro 4.
Editor Serenity Caldwell found the Surface Pen to be "about as responsive" as the Apple Pencil, but said Microsoft's stylus pressure was slightly harder to control and had more trouble at writing small type.
The Verge has created a similar video that provides more of a high-level comparison of the iPad Pro vs. Surface Pro 4, while also touching upon the Apple Pencil and Surface Pen and showing some limited usage of each accessory.
Editor Jacob Kastrenakes called the Apple Pencil "one of the best" he has ever used, adding that the Surface Pen "can be a little less natural" but benefits from having a hardware eraser -- which the Apple Pencil doesn't have.
Kastrenakes said the Apple Pencil is "really responsive" and has "amazing palm rejection," and he offered similar accolades for the Surface Pen, although quality will vary from app to app on both the iPad Pro and Surface Pro 4.
Apple Pencil online orders began to see movement earlier this week, while Apple retail stores started receiving more reliable Apple Pencil shipments on Tuesday for in-store purchase. The accessory is available to ship in 4-5 weeks online.
Article Link: iPad Pro and Apple Pencil Compared to Surface Pro 4 and Surface Pen
Can't see a thing, her hand is in the way, nice video of the back of someone's hand.
Whoever shot that video should have their video camera taken from them and destroyed. You do NOT shoot a left-handed person from behind their left shoulder if you're trying to capture how a stylus is working and reacting to a surface. I found the video useless and frustrating because HER HAND WAS IN THE WAY!!!!
Really??? Who would shoot such a video???
Macrumors should be embarrassed to even post the video...
Really??? Who would shoot such a video???
Macrumors should be embarrassed to even post the video...
The iMore video is an annoying joke! They used a left handed person and shot the video from over her left shoulder. How are we to judge latency when we actually can't anything!?
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I have the Surface Pro 4 setup. Late this afternoon I stopped at Best Buy and bought the iPP Pencil and Keyboard for my bother. Tonight we've been comparing them just for fun.
They are different as expected, plus I've never been one with a desire to pick a winner. Being an Apple forum that's pointless anyway. Suffice to say that each of them have very strong merits.
They are different as expected, plus I've never been one with a desire to pick a winner. Being an Apple forum that's pointless anyway. Suffice to say that each of them have very strong merits.
macbook air or Pro. Its really a universe of difference. I worked with both systems, now I prefer all Macs and iOS only. You are saving yourself tremendous amount of time and efficiency
Having to choose a separate brush to do shading is definitely less elegant than tilt. It's kind of live having to choose a separate tool to erase anything.
Latency is a non-issue now... Both solutions are great and both solutions vary by app. A few days ago Intel unlocked a new feature of Skylake processors that boosted general performance by as much as 10% and cut the pen/touch latency in half! The side by side videos that exist did not have this update. It was a crazy difference.
As you said, we know different types of people. I used to have a boot leg copy of Photoshop when I use to use Windows machine at home. I now run Pixelmator which cost me maybe $25. I does everything for ME that I did with photoshop and also works on the iPad at $5. So for me, makes way more sense. Everyone else I know and work with only uses Photos on their phone to edit pictures.
It depends what you do. In my daytime job as an engineer I run 3D solid modeling, knowledge based engineering and Finite element analysis. For these, the Surface Pro 4 doesn't have the horsepower nor video card required to run them efficently. as a workstation, it's a toy, much like some of you view the iPad Pro a toy.
I see both as rather ****, I'd rather a Macbook 12 with a 360o hinge, Skylake and a Touch Screen.
Mac users can live in denial all they like but people have spoken and they want touch screens on their Laptops.
Mac users can live in denial all they like but people have spoken and they want touch screens on their Laptops.