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iPad Pro Dummy Points Towards Dual Lightning Ports or USB-C Port
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I have no idea if the iPad Pro is a good is idea, that's why I like it. I used to be negative towards product without a clear need or functionalitity in mind, but these days I don't think you can come up with one so why bother. I mean, did Apple had selfiesticks, Uber, Snapchat or even Twitter in mind when they designed the iPhone?
A 13" iPad with dual connectors seems like the final gap between notebooks and tablets. If it comes with a keyboard and touchpad, I think it can be a pc replacement for a lot people. Remember, most people actually don't do a lot with their computers their phones can't, biggest constraint is probably screen size and lack of physical input tools, not software. iPad Pro might fix a lot of constraints.
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People seem to have the need to take pictures with their iPads now and then, which makes sense because the iPad has a pretty decent camera. What's the big deal? Why should Apple stop this?
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iOS may not optimal for content creation, but who actually creates content? For a lot of people iOS will be perfectly capable to handle their needs. You've seen these memes on the internet, mocking people with a MacBook calling it a $1500 Facebook machine. I think that's actually pretty true: lots of people use their pc's primarily as Facebook machines.
You seem to think its for a niche, I think the opposite, it's for the masses. A premium device, super light and thin, with ~10 hours of battery life, a retina screen for <$1k. It'll sell.
A 13" iPad with dual connectors seems like the final gap between notebooks and tablets. If it comes with a keyboard and touchpad, I think it can be a pc replacement for a lot people. Remember, most people actually don't do a lot with their computers their phones can't, biggest constraint is probably screen size and lack of physical input tools, not software. iPad Pro might fix a lot of constraints.
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What's your problem?
People seem to have the need to take pictures with their iPads now and then, which makes sense because the iPad has a pretty decent camera. What's the big deal? Why should Apple stop this?
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What's "a real computer" and what's not?Well, you are quite welcome
I didn't feel the need to write a lot about it, as I almost can't believe Apple will launch such a product.
- Apple's initial setup was the 10" (or 9.7") iPad only. Several companies came out with other sizes, both larger and smaller. Apple did jump on the smaller size because it proved a success with competitors. Larger sizes were not a succes, mainly because of weight, coming close to eg a MB Air 11" (at the time). Of course, it's quite possible Apple will try to launch a new segment, but it would have to be a lot more than an iPad + 2".
- There is hardly any hand held use for a prolonged time : too big and too heavy
- Its weight will be almost the same as that of the new Macbook without the universal use of a real computer. iOS is (imo) still primarily an OS for content consumption, not creation.
- Who is it for ? I don't see any target audience, except maybe a niche like a drawing artist ?
- OS-wise : to do more than a 9.7", you'd have to change the OS. OSX is in its current state completely inadequate for a touch device. Until now there's no proof of a hybrid OS in development that's the best of both worlds.
- Even if you change the OS : what's the target audience ? What content will you create on it unless you take a keyboard with you ? Typing on a flat surface is still a long shot from using a real keyboard. Or is it just about more content consumption ? So the audience can have a better look
It seems like the evidence of the product is building, but as mentioned, I fail to see the market strategy. Even the iWatch makes more sense
iOS may not optimal for content creation, but who actually creates content? For a lot of people iOS will be perfectly capable to handle their needs. You've seen these memes on the internet, mocking people with a MacBook calling it a $1500 Facebook machine. I think that's actually pretty true: lots of people use their pc's primarily as Facebook machines.
You seem to think its for a niche, I think the opposite, it's for the masses. A premium device, super light and thin, with ~10 hours of battery life, a retina screen for <$1k. It'll sell.
Pretty much this: you dared to insult this product, one others really want. This is MacRumors, negative opinions will be short down with fire.
This rumor almost makes me want to hold back on buying the rMB. When I think about my daily usage, most of it could be done on an iPad. The problem is some of it just can't yet, and I'd need a keyboard as well.
Hopefully some of the rumored changes will also happen with the 9.7". Speakers on the top and bottom, USB-C, and stylus support.
Hopefully some of the rumored changes will also happen with the 9.7". Speakers on the top and bottom, USB-C, and stylus support.
I will be very interested to see what the masses use this for. Hopefully not *just* blocking views at concerts and kids events.
just hope it runs full OSX...give me a MS surface with built in cellular and OSX and i'm a happy camper
"Pro" Headset?
While there are one or two companies (can't remember which one(s) ) making headphones with a lightning connector, Apple may be preparing to launch a high end set of Beats cans for audiophiles to use with their iPad Pro. The additional lightning connector would support that possible theory. Would certainly support a much richer entertainment experience?
While there are one or two companies (can't remember which one(s) ) making headphones with a lightning connector, Apple may be preparing to launch a high end set of Beats cans for audiophiles to use with their iPad Pro. The additional lightning connector would support that possible theory. Would certainly support a much richer entertainment experience?
This is probably true, though I have no idea why they are not just doing a direct link Airplay one. Bluetooth may not have the bandwidth that some high end people might require but WiFi certainly does.
But there are tradeoffs either way I suppose.
When Apple introduced USB on its original iMacs, it went away with all other ports. No confusion, no worries. The firewire port was differently shaped so users weren't confused about it.
Thunderbolt made connectivity easier with displayport built in, and this mantra has now been carried over to USB-C.
I find the whole Lightning cable confusing at best. It's not faster than USB 2.0 although its name suggests otherwise, and it looks similar to USB-C. If both USB-C and lightning ports were used, that would confuse many people. No longer can you blindly connect cables to your device.
If they went for dual USB-C, great - we'll have a single cable solution to drive external displays, charge the device, and more. If they went with Dual lightning ports, well, I guess you're stuck with USB 2.0 speeds BUT at least it will be compatible with docks.
However, I doubt there are many docks that will accommodate this so called iPad Pro. If manufacturers have a chance to build docks for iPad Pro, they might as well start from scratch with USB-C, with hopes that Apple will eventually retire Lightning ports and cables for USB-C.
Thunderbolt made connectivity easier with displayport built in, and this mantra has now been carried over to USB-C.
I find the whole Lightning cable confusing at best. It's not faster than USB 2.0 although its name suggests otherwise, and it looks similar to USB-C. If both USB-C and lightning ports were used, that would confuse many people. No longer can you blindly connect cables to your device.
If they went for dual USB-C, great - we'll have a single cable solution to drive external displays, charge the device, and more. If they went with Dual lightning ports, well, I guess you're stuck with USB 2.0 speeds BUT at least it will be compatible with docks.
However, I doubt there are many docks that will accommodate this so called iPad Pro. If manufacturers have a chance to build docks for iPad Pro, they might as well start from scratch with USB-C, with hopes that Apple will eventually retire Lightning ports and cables for USB-C.
Prepare for much disappointment; Apple have spoken out publicly about how terrible a decision it would be to confuse mobile, touch OS' and Desktop OS'.
I prepare to eat the hat I've never owned, I'll have one made from rice paper, just for you.
Yeah, I'll now have to wait and see what Apple comes out with. My hand-me-down iPad 3 is really starting to lag quite a bit since iOS 8. I'm ready for something new!
It looks better and better. I can use it as the monitor for my Mac Mini, then when I leave home I can grab the iPad Pro and access my documents in iCloud. And I'll say it again--musicians are going to be all over this. The bigger size is just what we need for putting our music on a music stand; and now the extra connector lets us add more peripherals.
I'll believe it can connect to outside devices via some sort of port when it happens...
Meanwhile, I've been thinking about the size and weight of a device like this. The iPad Air 2 is so light and easy to hold. How much more would a device of this size weigh?
Don't get me wrong: the idea of 'pro' features (multi screen, a file system, ability to port storage, to name but a few) intrigues me.
But will Apple really put these kinds of features into an iPad, even a "pro" one? I'm skeptical.
Meanwhile, I've been thinking about the size and weight of a device like this. The iPad Air 2 is so light and easy to hold. How much more would a device of this size weigh?
Don't get me wrong: the idea of 'pro' features (multi screen, a file system, ability to port storage, to name but a few) intrigues me.
But will Apple really put these kinds of features into an iPad, even a "pro" one? I'm skeptical.
That's what they're trying to do with USB-C. Making all their connectors this one, single connector that does everything. The future. lol
Well, you are quite welcome
I didn't feel the need to write a lot about it, as I almost can't believe Apple will launch such a product.
- Apple's initial setup was the 10" (or 9.7") iPad only. Several companies came out with other sizes, both larger and smaller. Apple did jump on the smaller size because it proved a success with competitors. Larger sizes were not a succes, mainly because of weight, coming close to eg a MB Air 11" (at the time). Of course, it's quite possible Apple will try to launch a new segment, but it would have to be a lot more than an iPad + 2".
- There is hardly any hand held use for a prolonged time : too big and too heavy
- Its weight will be almost the same as that of the new Macbook without the universal use of a real computer. iOS is (imo) still primarily an OS for content consumption, not creation.
- Who is it for ? I don't see any target audience, except maybe a niche like a drawing artist ?
- OS-wise : to do more than a 9.7", you'd have to change the OS. OSX is in its current state completely inadequate for a touch device. Until now there's no proof of a hybrid OS in development that's the best of both worlds.
- Even if you change the OS : what's the target audience ? What content will you create on it unless you take a keyboard with you ? Typing on a flat surface is still a long shot from using a real keyboard. Or is it just about more content consumption ? So the audience can have a better look
It seems like the evidence of the product is building, but as mentioned, I fail to see the market strategy. Even the iWatch makes more sense
Your entire argument hinges on the fact that you don't see a need for it, thus don't see a target audience.
I would argue that this rumoured device may be useful to artists, in hospitals, in warehouses for supply chain & inventory purposes, and if split-screen is enabled, then also to a large number of business executives. i suspect that, like most devices, game designers will also find a way to take advantage of its features. Of course, if they change the features, all of this changes too.
If they are in fact building it, they will have done enough analysis to be comfortable in their anticipated profits. This suggests that there would be a fairly substantial market, beyond what you or I have considered.
I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out the reflection on the Apple logo. It looks like a series LEDs, a lighting strip of some sort?
With Apple moving towards USB-C on the new Mac, wouldn't it sound better to upgrade all other devices/tablets too ?
Why bother integrating one with USB-C, but keeping Thunderbolt around on other devices because there are legacy products out there, or may have that may need to be connected ?
Just do it "the Apple way", cause havoc for users needing to replace cables, dongles and all sorts of interesting stuff.
That's what their best at anyway.
I could see USB 3.0 on an iPad, only if Apple makes it useful by attaching/transferring files on and off storage, otherwise if its limited to to what Apple says it is, then USB-C will be the better way...
Why bother integrating one with USB-C, but keeping Thunderbolt around on other devices because there are legacy products out there, or may have that may need to be connected ?
Just do it "the Apple way", cause havoc for users needing to replace cables, dongles and all sorts of interesting stuff.
That's what their best at anyway.
I could see USB 3.0 on an iPad, only if Apple makes it useful by attaching/transferring files on and off storage, otherwise if its limited to to what Apple says it is, then USB-C will be the better way...
Maybe Apple has also seen the growth that is currently happening with the Surface Pro 3 by Microsoft (some Data here)
Selling at well above 1 million devices per quarter (which is an impressive 5% of the number of ipads sold...well impressive in a sense that it is a rather expensive product and that it is growing strongly) it may be an indicator that this sort of Product indeed does have a market.
Personaly I am waiting how Windows 10 will turn out to decide whether I will invest in a new Macbook (Pro) for work or a fully speced Surface Pro 4 when it's released...currently it seems that the direction that MS is steering in may be a better choice for my specific usage scenario (I am currently living in both worlds [Apple and MS] and apart from a few problems with keeping everything in sync that is a winning combo for me)
On the other hand, there is one thing that obviously helps MS in the Businessworld...and that is planable investments and early information (compared to apple) Just an example:
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Don't count on it, Apple would loose a LOT of money by giving up the proprietary plug on ios devices (Licensing deals like made for XY programs and direct sales of Cables and Adapters with insane margins) and Apple has not earned one of the worlds biggest checkbooks by making things cheaper for the customer.
So let me get this straight. If I buy a macbook I will be desperately plugging dongles into dongles just to use it as I do my current computer, but if I buy the ipad pro I will have a port I will never need