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The hardware is certainly in the pro area. It's up to other companies to create pro software, not Apple. Well, maybe a couple pro app from them would help....

The processor may be wonderful but without an OS to match it is wasted. No file system, no ports, no go.
 
The processor may be wonderful but without an OS to match it is wasted. No file system, no ports, no go.

What ports are you looking for?

There's an underlining file system in iOS, apple just chose not to show it. Like I said, file system is an old style of doing things and it's not the only way of doing things in this day and age.
 
What ports are you looking for?

There's an underlining file system in iOS, apple just chose not to show it. Like I said, file system is an old style of doing things and it's not the only way of doing things in this day and age.

Ports: Critically, it should at least match the year old Surface Pro 3 which has USB3 and Mini DisplayPort (as well as Micro USB, MicroSD, Cover connector, headset jack).

File system: Pro users need explorer/finder style system that can easily access, organize, name, and archive files without app dependence.
 
Ports: Critically, it should at least match the year old Surface Pro 3 which has USB3 and Mini DisplayPort (as well as Micro USB, MicroSD, Cover connector, headset jack).

File system: Pro users need explorer/finder style system that can easily access, organize, name, and archive files without app dependence.

So many ports.... Almost all of them will be useless soon and will take up lots of space in the device and make it look so ugly! Ahhh...I feel so dirty with those ports.
 
The processor may be wonderful but without an OS to match it is wasted. No file system, no ports, no go.

If you buy iPad for file systems access, ports, etc. you buy a wrong device. The iPad uniquely morphs between being a sheet music stand, an artist’s easel, a book, a game, a cinema screen, a cash register, a typewriter, a notepad, a map, a project plan and a video editing suite all with a quick launch of an app. That’s what makes it a special device. It’s not just a portable computer.
 
If you buy iPad for file systems access, ports, etc. you buy a wrong device. The iPad uniquely morphs between being a sheet music stand, an artist’s easel, a book, a game, a cinema screen, a cash register, a typewriter, a notepad, a map, a project plan and a video editing suite all with a quick launch of an app. That’s what makes it a special device. It’s not just a portable computer.

I have had an iPad since iPad 1 and have an Air currently. What you wrote above applies to every iPad and iPhone ever made (except video which happened in the last few years). We were hoping for a pro device that might compete with Surface Pro.
 
To me an interesting "Pro" approach would be not trying to replace a workstation or laptop but to complement it. For example, you set up a project in Final Cut Pro X on your mac and it automatically syncs an offline version to the iPad, on which you can work on the go and/or in new and different ways. This could possible with all kinds of different apps. Since the iPad has no file system or external storage possibilities, this complementary sync strategy would be great. You manage on your big system but work (additionally) on the iPad.

Another great option would be to use the iPad as an extended control surface with your big system. Use it as an input control with flexible buttons and sliders, or as a Wacom replacement with the pencil input. There are really so many possibilities, I just hope they get them together.

But I'm totally against iOS and OS X becoming the same thing, even though that is a very possible future. Imagine no file system, no terminal, no "going under the hood". Yes, many (perhaps most) users wouldn't mind and feel comfortable but it would sure contribute to the dumbing down of computer culture. Apple might not need the pro users (in terms of direct revenue), who would probably jump ship to linux lands, but they should realise that these users are much more important to the brand than what the mere numbers reveal. They are an integral part of what makes apple cutting edge.

“The iPad is the clearest expression of our vision of the future of personal computing.” – Tim Cook

I hope this vision leaves an open space for the real pros who love mac for the amazing operating system that it is.
 
To me an interesting "Pro" approach would be not trying to replace a workstation or laptop but to complement it. For example, you set up a project in Final Cut Pro X on your mac and it automatically syncs an offline version to the iPad, on which you can work on the go and/or in new and different ways. This could possible with all kinds of different apps. Since the iPad has no file system or external storage possibilities, this complementary sync strategy would be great. You manage on your big system but work (additionally) on the iPad.

Another great option would be to use the iPad as an extended control surface with your big system. Use it as an input control with flexible buttons and sliders, or as a Wacom replacement with the pencil input. There are really so many possibilities, I just hope they get them together.

But I'm totally against iOS and OS X becoming the same thing, even though that is a very possible future. Imagine no file system, no terminal, no "going under the hood". Yes, many (perhaps most) users wouldn't mind and feel comfortable but it would sure contribute to the dumbing down of computer culture. Apple might not need the pro users (in terms of direct revenue), who would probably jump ship to linux lands, but they should realise that these users are much more important to the brand than what the mere numbers reveal. They are an integral part of what makes apple cutting edge.

“The iPad is the clearest expression of our vision of the future of personal computing.” – Tim Cook

I hope this vision leaves an open space for the real pros who love mac for the amazing operating system that it is.

Until this vision is realized, I'm definitely holding off on this one as at this time for my uses, the iPad pro is just a giant/faster iPad air. Unless there's an iPad air 3 released this year, this will be the first year I skip upgrading my iPad since the ipad 1. Not going to spend "rMBP money" on something that isn't going to give me what I need today.
 
The ideal product for some power users might be an iPad Pro cabled to a Mac Mini or Mac Pro and running some super fast remote-desktop-like app in conjunction with native drawing and control panel apps on the iPad. That would provide the lowest latency pen interface (better than wacom) plus the full power of OS X (with a power cord and heat sinks for pure performance) for scripting and batch processing the final files.
 
If you want all of that and you want ultra portability of an 13" screen BUY THE MACBOOK. Its not like Apple doesn't provide any device with OSX anymore and they focus only on iOS !
yes if Apple would get rid of Macs then this iPAD pro probably would have dual boot for iOS and OSX BUT IS NOT THE CASE, you have Options in your brand ecosystem
i have the macbook thanks its great for what i want after thinking about this apple used false advertising calling the ipad pro is like calling the ipad for pro babies real working people put the ipad down when they need to work and pick up a laptop. hopefully apple gets the hint and converge os x with ios for us developers.
 
Needing root access reminds me of the people who didn't see the point of a PC where there weren't front panel switches and LEDs to get access to the system bus. Or lots of slots for IO and sound cards. Pros just can't live without those.

But I'm a throwback, so I do ssh from my iPad into some linux servers using a terminal app when I need a lot more than 2 or 3 cores.
to use the ipad for work i need root access I think apple just puts this limitation on there so people dont screw up the os.
 
Who cares? What is important is that the OS works and supports the user, not that is follows a 50 year old api some nerds created. Many things changed in this time...
ios is built for babies when nerds have to work they put down the ipad and pick up the laptop. It could be the other way around you know no harm done calm down and breath.
 
ios is built for babies when nerds have to work they put down the ipad and pick up the laptop. It could be the other way around you know no harm done calm down and breath.
yes ios supports one user. os x supports multi user which one is better?
 
The people who create the software you run on your iOS devices for one...
there is no 50 year old api I promise I work for a big software company these people who use apple devices to attack other people need to knock it off like a spoiled baby. People want to use their ios devices for work instead of snapchat and facebook.
 
If you buy iPad for file systems access, ports, etc. you buy a wrong device. The iPad uniquely morphs between being a sheet music stand, an artist’s easel, a book, a game, a cinema screen, a cash register, a typewriter, a notepad, a map, a project plan and a video editing suite all with a quick launch of an app. That’s what makes it a special device. It’s not just a portable computer.
when you say uniquely, so no other tablet on the market has the same potential ?
 
I have had an iPad since iPad 1 and have an Air currently. What you wrote above applies to every iPad and iPhone ever made (except video which happened in the last few years). We were hoping for a pro device that might compete with Surface Pro.
I remember a tale a few years ago, a young lass joined our studio, she was sat next to me.. and goes, I love my iPhone, the way you can go on ebay without a computer.. I goes, do you not think other mobiles can do that.. she goes. no obviously .. I ask.. do you think all non iphones are like 10 year old Nokia ? well yes she answered..
I had nothing else to say after that..
 
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when you say uniquely, so no other tablet on the market has the same potential ?

I mean it quite literally. The Apps created for iPad are uniquely designed to be used with the best user experience in mind. The same Apps might be created for other tablets or Surface Pro, but due to their "nature" (a lapbet? seriously?), they tend to be overcomplicated or oversimplified.
 
Of course the surface pro 3 does all that. But the ipad is a blown up ipod

I just sold my surface pro 3. I come from windows myself but going back to it is horrible (I actually use windows 7 in a virtual machine for a few apps). Windows is just not optimised for touch (and I was annoyed by the non stop phoning home of the OS). iOS and the ipad are still too limited and need to be more open but it still beats windows and the surface in my book. Also, the surface battery lasts about 5 hours (when watching video with 30% brightness), that also sucked.

So the solution wouldn't be running OS X on the iPad Pro but an iPad Pro and iOS with a file system and the possibility of external storage would be a first step. Give us a finder app and a thunderbolt 3 port.
 
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