iPad Pro Features Improved Storage Controller for Desktop-Class Performance

[Freyqq]

I think their main complain is about the age old file system, but that's the ancient way of doing things. It's understandable because people are used to it since the first OS was built. Other things are just minors.

You can't deny the benefits of a filesystem. The main reason is organization. Say I am working on a project. I have 50 PDFs, 5 Word documents, 1 PPT, and 10 photos that are related to that project. The iOS way would require all those files to be within their various programs with no way to group them together.

If there was a way to tag files and link it to a global search, it would be way more powerful. But, that's not present and my point remains.

 

[Freyqq]

It's probably not needed as much and harder to achieve with the size,but everyone knows it will be in next years iPad Pro 2 lol

backlit keyboard cover too. Way too obvious of a next-gen feature.

 

[firewood]

... will keep my i7 surface pro 3 or buy the surface pro 4 ...

Lots of surface pro fans seem to be posting here. But in the big scheme of things, the iOS App store produces more iPad app revenue in about 6 months than Microsoft's annual surface pro hardware sales. Pro software developers will follow the money.

 

[unplugme71]

Some in my family still insist on using a p&s to take pictures and record video. When they ask me if I want to borrow one I say, "why? My phone takes better and it's easier to edit and upload." They never trust me. *shrugs*

Haha

My parents use their 5S for photos now. Mom likes the fact she can snap and post on Facebook. Using P&S was too complicated for her to get photos on computer and share.

 

[jwbrobst]

I have heard this quite a bit since the iPad Pro's introduction so I have two serious questions for everyone in the OS X on the iPad camp:

1. What would be the benefit of running Mac OS X?

2. What apps would you like to run that there isn't already an optimized iOS equivalent available?

I needed the pro to run Adobe CC desktop class applications such as Illustrator, Photoshop and inDesign for it to be worth my money. Adobe got on stage only to disappoint it's user base.

 

[garylapointe]

Still hard to swallow the price tag IMO.

Now this is $300 more, and the biggest feature besides the larger screen is an active digitizer which can only be used if you buy the $100 Pencil, bringing it to a $400 premium over the iPad Air.

If you compare it's 32GB vs. 16GB, it's more of a $250 difference.

That bigger screen has got to cost a bit more to make.

In terms of screen real estate:
iPad 4 is 20 square inches more than iPad Mini 2 and they want $100 for that difference.
iPad Pro is 42 square inches more than iPad 4 and it's got a bit more going on with the screen doesn't it?

Gary

 

[bennyprofane]

Are you seriously claiming that video files cannot be imported into an iPad?

1.) You can import them directly from the camera using Apple's camera kit.

2.) You can use iTunes.

3.) You can use air drop.

4.) You can go old school and email it to yourself.

These are just to name a few, there are many apps and services out there that do this.

iOS is not as locked down as many people think. It's quite open actually, and there isn't many things that it can't do.

Importing is not the problem. iTunes Sync works just fine and the Pro will probably have a faster port, too.
The real question is, if Apple will allow the Pro to connect to external storage. 128 GB is just not going to cut it, and it's not even like you have all that space for your footage. On the other hand, an external SSD connected via Thunderbolt (or at least USB 3.1) that would make it really great.

Is it just Apple wanting to sell the biggest storage devices that they don't allow external storage on iOS devices? I would get the biggest memory option, regardless wether it has external storage options because internal memory is always good to have for having all you want on the go. But give us external storage for serious work.

 

[itbeme]

Importing is not the problem. iTunes Sync works just fine and the Pro will probably have a faster port, too.
The real question is, if Apple will allow the Pro to connect to external storage. 128 GB is just not going to cut it, and it's not even like you have all that space for your footage. On the other hand, an external SSD connected via Thunderbolt (or at least USB 3.1) that would make it really great.

Is it just Apple wanting to sell the biggest storage devices that they don't allow external storage on iOS devices? I would get the biggest memory option, regardless wether it has external storage options because internal memory is always good to have for having all you want on the go. But give us external storage for serious work.

Everyone knows v1.0 of any Apple Product is a trap for early adopters and those who must have the latest and greatest. We'll see 256 and 512G down the road. For my iPad Air2 I use a combination of Box, DropBox and the native app "Documents" as a file system and I'm pretty damn close.

People seem too want this thing so badly to be a desktop / laptop replacement. It's not, nor does it have to be. That's why we have laptops. I'll wait for rev 2 or 3, just like the watch, this is V1.0 and has been put out there to tease and get early adopters to fund the front end of the product cycle. Apple has done that from the beginning of time.

 

[bronksy]

Are you seriously claiming that video files cannot be imported into an iPad?

1.) You can import them directly from the camera using Apple's camera kit.

2.) You can use iTunes.

3.) You can use air drop.

4.) You can go old school and email it to yourself.

These are just to name a few, there are many apps and services out there that do this.

iOS is not as locked down as many people think. It's quite open actually, and there isn't many things that it can't do.

IN THE FIELD you have your camera, and the iPad.
How are you meant to be using wifi, airdrop or anything else.

The only way actual professionals will use this for video or photo editing is if they can take a memory card from the camera and insert it into a reader connected to an iPad.

This method currently does not work. Unless it's JPEG images from an SD card.

 

[bronksy]

People these days are so spoiled. 8GB is just 4-5 min over the old usb2... Or the beginning of digital video - dv needex a realtime transfer

Yes it needed a realtime transfer- however even today with some connections, waiting for a 30min file to copy across wifi or USB 2 can take longer than the realtime transfer of 30 minutes of DV.

 

[bronksy]

I'm not sure why folks seem to be having such a problem understanding that professionals in film and photography can't be using this device yet.
The whole point of this pro device (for me anyway) would be to eliminate the laptop from the kit bag - and have an iPad solution that will enable me to capture and create media on it, rather than purely consume it and 'tweak it a bit'

If we are having to use iTunes, or another host computer or laptop to transfer files then the iPad pro has lost its appeal.

If apple were serious they'd have released at least one adapter at launch to allow direct import or connection to a USB device to pull in data.
If we are relying on another computer system or wifi to transfer s file, we may as well use a damn laptop.. For example, Lightroom mobile is an excellent bit of software using smart previews for the edits and syncing back the changes to the main library via the cloud- BUT you still need to set up the sync from the proper computer first.

 

[Exhale]

using the ac-WIFI? 866mbit isn't exactly slow...

Wifi speeds of 866 requires 2-stream MIMO and 80MHz of Bandwidth space. I don't believe theres a single camera that supports either, never mind both. Heck, most cameras don't even support the 5GHz frequency.

2 stream MIMO isn't exactly free space-wise to implement; the iPhone 6 & 6+ doesn't support it for example. (And probably not the 6s & 6+ either)

 

[ghost187]

IN THE FIELD you have your camera, and the iPad.
How are you meant to be using wifi, airdrop or anything else.

The only way actual professionals will use this for video or photo editing is if they can take a memory card from the camera and insert it into a reader connected to an iPad.

This method currently does not work. Unless it's JPEG images from an SD card.

So the camera kit doesn't work? It takes SD cards. Though I don't have it to verify if raw images and videos are supported.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

Have you actually tried working with 4 k files? They're huge! It may have the horsepower to edit it, but unless apple secretly upgraded the the Lightning connector to usb 3.0 or thunderbolt speeds...

Hardware aside, what the heck are you supposed to use to edit 3 4k video files? I just gave the appstore a once-over to see what the state of "pro" video editing apps in iOS looks like, and surprise, there are none. The closest I can find is the dismal iMovie, which is barely capable of making 30 second trailers and leaves your files scattered to the wind with no way to organize or delete unused content... etc...

A full-sized ipad should be the ultimate computing device for creative professionals. The hardware is finally nearly sufficient to pull it off. But this product is less a mobile device than a creative platform, and as such, putting this mobile OS on it, with all the limitations of a telephone OS, completely hamstrings the entire thing.

This is excruciating to watch year after year, especially as microsoft now presents the only option for a capable tablet for work use. Microsoft? Come on Apple...

 

[Dranix]

iOS is not limited. Repeating that limited junk over and over makes it not more true.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

and Yet the iPad still doesn't support Raw Editing

iOS will have been out for 9 years now, and it still cant even display a .gif file. Or a webm, if they're going to make the argument that .gifs are outdated and are somehow unecessary to support even though they're everywhere yet. Among other completely prevalent file types. Videos are still in the photos app, in a folder mixed in with still photos called camera roll, while the videos app sits empty. Etc etc etc. Every release, iOS includes arcane new features and messy workarounds out of fear of a visible and useful file system, while leaving basic everyday functionality incomplete and in tatters.

And it looks like an anorexic text adventure.

I think I truly dislike this OS.

 

[canesalato]

Are you seriously claiming that video files cannot be imported into an iPad?

1.) You can import them directly from the camera using Apple's camera kit.

2.) You can use iTunes.

3.) You can use air drop.

4.) You can go old school and email it to yourself.

These are just to name a few, there are many apps and services out there that do this.

iOS is not as locked down as many people think. It's quite open actually, and there isn't many things that it can't do.

2-3-4 are out IMHO, because we need a mac/pc to do that (i assume 4 was a joke )
So the real options are.
1) like you said, the adapter
2) wifi from the camera. It will be VERY slow. And every camera I know has AT BEST WIFI N, single antenna (65mbps)

 

[bronksy]

So the camera kit doesn't work? It takes SD cards. Though I don't have it to verify if raw images and videos are supported.

Well. It kind of does but kind of doesn't.

It hasn't worked on any iPhone since iOS8 but that's another story.

It's rather temperamental anyway- you put the card in or connect the camera and if you're lucky the iPad will allow you to import the files.

Now. It will import all the files even if the iPad can't display them. So yeah, you (in theory) can use it as an expensive back up device but not much else.

If you are wanting to edit photos shot in raw the IPad can't decode these at system level so what you end up with is a device full of files you can't really work with. It lets you look at the crap low-res JPEGS that the camera generates. (Or if you've shot raw and JPEG) but you can't edit the RAW file without an app.

The apps are 'ok' but slow and cumbersome for editing more than a few images. You then have to export the files to JPEG from the converter before you can use other editing software.

So it's all rather pointless. Video is worse because there isn't even a preview file to view.

 

[canesalato]

Importing is not the problem. iTunes Sync works just fine and the Pro will probably have a faster port, too.
The real question is, if Apple will allow the Pro to connect to external storage. 128 GB is just not going to cut it, and it's not even like you have all that space for your footage. On the other hand, an external SSD connected via Thunderbolt (or at least USB 3.1) that would make it really great.

Is it just Apple wanting to sell the biggest storage devices that they don't allow external storage on iOS devices? I would get the biggest memory option, regardless wether it has external storage options because internal memory is always good to have for having all you want on the go. But give us external storage for serious work.

yes, IMHO, that's the biggest problem with iPad devices and productivity. Second is trackpad support. It's at best unconvenient to use the touchscreen when the iPad is vertical and you are using an external keyboadd. Even working on a word document becomes hard.
Give me
1) proper USB support (not talking about a port, usb is already there with the adapter, the limitation is software
2) trackpad support
3) RAW files editing support

and the iPad pro goes from useless to interesting, IMHO

 

[ThunderSkunk]

iOS is not limited. Repeating that limited junk over and over makes it not more true.

I can only imagine what little use you have for a computer at all, for you to have never run into the enormous limitations inherent in running a mobile phone OS on a computer youre trying to do a days work on as a creative professional.

 

[Dranix]

I can only imagine what little use you have for a computer at all, for you to have never run into the enormous limitations inherent in running a mobile phone OS on a computer youre trying to do a days work on as a creative professional.

iOS is no mobile OS - it is normal OSX with Cocoa exchanged for CocoaTouch. That can't be so hard to understand. I didn't get limited by a OS since C64, it was always applications that limit what you can do on any system.

 

[ghost187]

Well. It kind of does but kind of doesn't.

It hasn't worked on any iPhone since iOS8 but that's another story.

It's rather temperamental anyway- you put the card in or connect the camera and if you're lucky the iPad will allow you to import the files.

Now. It will import all the files even if the iPad can't display them. So yeah, you (in theory) can use it as an expensive back up device but not much else.

If you are wanting to edit photos shot in raw the IPad can't decode these at system level so what you end up with is a device full of files you can't really work with. It lets you look at the crap low-res JPEGS that the camera generates. (Or if you've shot raw and JPEG) but you can't edit the RAW file without an app.

The apps are 'ok' but slow and cumbersome for editing more than a few images. You then have to export the files to JPEG from the converter before you can use other editing software.

So it's all rather pointless. Video is worse because there isn't even a preview file to view.

Guess it isn't "Pro" enough yet (for everyone), but iOS becomes much more capable every year, so few more major software updates, and you actually may be able to work solely on an iPad.

 

[IGregory]

Having a bigger iPad is worth an extra $100 IMO.

Well, I purchased an iPad Air Wi-Fi + LTE, 128 GB, Apple Store, in November 2013. Price $929. I'd say the Pro's $1079 is in your ball park - absolutely not a deal breaker unless you are looking for a reason not to purchase.

 

[8KYUP]

Lots of surface pro fans seem to be posting here. But in the big scheme of things, the iOS App store produces more iPad app revenue in about 6 months than Microsoft's annual surface pro hardware sales. Pro software developers will follow the money.

Most of us Surface fans are here because we also own iOS devices and/or Macs and would love to have seen Apple step into the ring with this device. They didn't. Take all of these posts as trolling if you would like but that is not what you are hearing. The iOS apps you are referring to are indeed plentiful and many are terrific, for what they are. But in reality, a pro will never choose an app to critically edit work product when the full suite of software that they use for their workflow is available on a similar device with the required ports and an immediately accessible local file system.

 

[H2SO4]

Every time I hear the term, ’Desktop Class Performance’, I ask myself why we don’t see those processors running Timmys desktops.