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iPad Pro Features Improved Storage Controller for Desktop-Class Performance

Dranix said:
People these days are so spoiled. 8GB is just 4-5 min over the old usb2... Or the beginning of digital video - dv needex a realtime transfer
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is that really your only comeback to an obvious failing of a "pro" marketed device?

"you're just spoiled"

Here's a very REAL scenario that impacts not even professionals, but hobbyists who do photography.

In a real OS world with standard USB port:
Plug DSLR into device.
Copy files using file manager
Edit with favourite program.
Export/Copy to Memory stick or even Internet

In the iOS world.
Plug camera into desktop or laptop.
Convert media to Apple's supported filetypes.
Plug i-device into desktop laptop.
Transfer using proprietary software
edit on i-device.
transfer back to desktop/laptop
Re-convert if necessary back to your format of choice.


now you say "just use WiFi". even if you have the BEST, most stable WiFi, if you're actively using your camera, you are talking about transferring from Camera to a computer still. AND Then transferring from that computer to your iOS device via wifi. Except here's the frustration, unlike the JPG's an iphone takes, Camera RAW files can be anywhere from 20MB, as high as 100MB a piece (depending on Camera and resolution). FOr Example, my last Vacation, I took nearly 3,000 photos. And it totalled 12GB. WiFi is NOT the best tool for this job
 
LordVic said:
is that really your only comeback to an obvious failing of a "pro" marketed device?

"you're just spoiled"

Here's a very REAL scenario that impacts not even professionals, but hobbyists who do photography.

In a real OS world with standard USB port:
Plug DSLR into device.
Copy files using file manager
Edit with favourite program.
Export/Copy to Memory stick or even Internet

In the iOS world.
Plug camera into desktop or laptop.
Convert media to Apple's supported filetypes.
Plug i-device into desktop laptop.
Transfer using proprietary software
edit on i-device.
transfer back to desktop/laptop
Re-convert if necessary back to your format of choice.


now you say "just use WiFi". even if you have the BEST, most stable WiFi, if you're actively using your camera, you are talking about transferring from Camera to a computer still. AND Then transferring from that computer to your iOS device via wifi. Except here's the frustration, unlike the JPG's an iphone takes, Camera RAW files can be anywhere from 20MB, as high as 100MB a piece (depending on Camera and resolution). FOr Example, my last Vacation, I took nearly 3,000 photos. And it totalled 12GB. WiFi is NOT the best tool for this job
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Especially given the reliability of Airdrop... a lot of times it fails during multi GB file transfert. Sometimes at the end, after a long time waiting -.-'
 
canesalato said:
Especially given the reliability of Airdrop... a lot of times it fails during multi GB file transfert. Sometimes at the end, after a long time waiting -.-'
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Cloud storage is terrific but it is part of a workflow, certainly not the whole thing. For work we are looking for speed, consistency, data redundancy (local, hard drive, cloud), full port options, all input devices, etc. It baffles me that Apple thinks that a pro user used to using full Adobe CC, full Office, etc would choose a device limited to weak sauce apps and an OS that was developed when (then phone) hardware was not available to run a full OS. That was surpassed last generation with SP3 which runs Windows 10 incredibly well. Skylake is happening in SP4 next month.
 
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ThunderSkunk said:
iOS will have been out for 9 years now, and it still cant even display a .gif file. Or a webm, if they're going to make the argument that .gifs are outdated and are somehow unecessary to support even though they're everywhere yet. Among other completely prevalent file types. Videos are still in the photos app, in a folder mixed in with still photos called camera roll, while the videos app sits empty. Etc etc etc. Every release, iOS includes arcane new features and messy workarounds out of fear of a visible and useful file system, while leaving basic everyday functionality incomplete and in tatters.

And it looks like an anorexic text adventure.

I think I truly dislike this OS.
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Would you prefer androids instead, which can't even read pdf natively?

ThunderSkunk said:
I can only imagine what little use you have for a computer at all, for you to have never run into the enormous limitations inherent in running a mobile phone OS on a computer youre trying to do a days work on as a creative professional.
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Would you prefer androids instead, which can't even read pdf natively?
 
Dranix said:
iOS is no mobile OS - it is normal OSX with Cocoa exchanged for CocoaTouch. That can't be so hard to understand. I didn't get limited by a OS since C64, it was always applications that limit what you can do on any system.
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Not many people realize this. They just hear it's a mobile OS and immediately think it's just a subset of OS X.

People also like to blame Apple rather than blame the software companies. The iPad pro is a very capable piece of pro equipment and iOS is the same. It's just Adobe, and others refuse to make pro apps, but hey, let's blame Apple.
 
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I am really irritated that they don't offer a 64GB model.
32 is just too small and 128 is overkill for me.
64 is just right and was probably done away with on purpose so people would have to go with 128 and thus higher margins. However, it just might stop many (me included) from buying one in the first place so...
 
128 not overkill. That's what I thought too. Now I wouldn't think twice about the 128. 64 got used up quick. `

What I can't understand is no 256GB option .
 
LordVic said:
is that really your only comeback to an obvious failing of a "pro" marketed device?

"you're just spoiled"

Here's a very REAL scenario that impacts not even professionals, but hobbyists who do photography.

In a real OS world with standard USB port:
Plug DSLR into device.
Copy files using file manager
Edit with favourite program.
Export/Copy to Memory stick or even Internet

In the iOS world.
Plug camera into desktop or laptop.
Convert media to Apple's supported filetypes.
Plug i-device into desktop laptop.
Transfer using proprietary software
edit on i-device.
transfer back to desktop/laptop
Re-convert if necessary back to your format of choice.


now you say "just use WiFi". even if you have the BEST, most stable WiFi, if you're actively using your camera, you are talking about transferring from Camera to a computer still. AND Then transferring from that computer to your iOS device via wifi. Except here's the frustration, unlike the JPG's an iphone takes, Camera RAW files can be anywhere from 20MB, as high as 100MB a piece (depending on Camera and resolution). FOr Example, my last Vacation, I took nearly 3,000 photos. And it totalled 12GB. WiFi is NOT the best tool for this job
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No man, you're just spoiled. A true "PRO" won't have any problem waiting 30-45 minutes just transferring the unedited video/photos into their 'PRO' device. I also find it amusing that posters here are blaming adobe for iOS walled garden. No, Apple should've been on the ball and made their own 'killer' app for this seemingly pro device that rivals rMBP in price tags!
 
H2SO4 said:
Every time I hear the term, ’Desktop Class Performance’, I ask myself why we don’t see those processors running Timmys desktops.
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Yeah I do wonder why they point that out, but turn around and not use them in any of their Macbook products.
 
H2SO4 said:
Every time I hear the term, ’Desktop Class Performance’, I ask myself why we don’t see those processors running Timmys desktops.
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...and when we see "desktop class performance", aren't we including i7 in this as well ?
 
lincolntran said:
Would you prefer androids instead, which can't even read pdf natively?
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Why on earth would I prefer that? That would be even worse.

A full-sized ipad deemed a "pro" device, needs to be able to run professional software. Final Cut, Logic, Lightoom, Photoshop, Indesign, Rhino, Autocad, Inventor, Solidworks via a VM, linking drawing data to spreadsheets and database data sets. Not just whatever lightweight mobile viewer apps someone developed quickly and on the cheap. It needs to be able to access network locations, read and write files located on attached storage directly, without importing and exporting and breaking file management protocol and links and screwing up revisioning via sandboxing.

In short, it needs OS X.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
Why on earth would I prefer that? That would be even worse.

A full-sized ipad deemed a "pro" device, needs to be able to run professional software. Final Cut, Logic, Lightoom, Photoshop, Indesign, Rhino, Autocad, Inventor, Solidworks via a VM, linking drawing data to spreadsheets and database data sets. Not just whatever lightweight mobile viewer apps someone developed quickly and on the cheap. It needs to be able to access network locations, read and write files located on attached storage directly, without importing and exporting and breaking file management protocol and links and screwing up revisioning via sandboxing.

In short, it needs OS X.
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Maybe a laptop is better for your needs. The iPad is not intended for this purpose. After all, what's the point of portability if you still lug around so many extra?
 
lincolntran said:
Maybe a laptop is better for your needs. The iPad is not intended for this purpose. After all, what's the point of portability if you still lug around so many extra?
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No, a tablet would be best for this purpose. Again, not because it is a mobile device, because of the added functionality of working directly on the screen. There should be no extras required.

It's like I'm talking to a wall here.
 
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How much memory does 4k footage take up? As in does the iPad Pro even have enough memory built in to do proper work on it? It would Seems a bit redundant if you can edit footage but can't store the footage itself much.
 
lincolntran said:
Maybe a laptop is better for your needs. The iPad is not intended for this purpose. After all, what's the point of portability if you still lug around so many extra?
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Then apple shouldn't call it a pro then. Simple.

A bigger screen and a pen doesn't make this a pro device compared to the iPad air 2.

And for all the power it has, you will still only be working on watered down mobile apps.
 
Robstevo said:
Then apple shouldn't call it a pro then. Simple.

A bigger screen and a pen doesn't make this a pro device compared to the iPad air 2.

And for all the power it has, you will still only be working on watered down mobile apps.
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The app store model is another huge problem for professional apps.
 
canesalato said:
The app store model is another huge problem for professional apps.
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Indeed. Most Profesional applications sell on there own websites, either by subscription or fully licensed. Would software companies be happy apple taking a 30 percent cut ? I doubt it. It's all good for mobile apps that are watered down, more simple and don't require as much work. But for fully desktop power apps? Pie in the sky hope that is.
 
Why do I get the feeling that the vast majority of these iPad Pros are going to be glorified Facebook/Youtube appliances?
Robstevo said:
Then apple shouldn't call it a pro then. Simple.

A bigger screen and a pen doesn't make this a pro device compared to the iPad air 2.

And for all the power it has, you will still only be working on watered down mobile apps.
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Judging by many replies here, I've got a feeling that the vast majority of these so called pro iPads are going to be used for editing 4 second 4k clips from a 6s, Facebook, and watching cat videos on YouTube.
 
magbarn said:
Why do I get the feeling that the vast majority of these iPad Pros are going to be glorified Facebook/Youtube appliances?


Judging by many replies here, I've got a feeling that the vast majority of these so called pro iPads are going to be used for editing 4 second 4k clips from a 6s, Facebook, and watching cat videos on YouTube.
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Indeed. I fact I haven't Once seen anyone yet on this site actually give an account of how this pro machine is any different from an air?

Will artists be making money on this pro? Doubt it, most will be using a desk top application using a main computer. Unless they somehow think watered down adobe apps have the same capabilities as the desktop counter parts.

Same with word , Excel etc are they saying you can run databases, spread sheets as effectively as the desktop counter parts etc

Seriously it's a slightly larger iPad air with a style capability that no consumer has even tried yet, not do we know the latency or pressure capability of the pen.

Any professional that says they can use this defence, without even waiting to find out the capabilites isn't worth a grain. And by professionals I mean artists. Why would an artist buy something without knowing if the tools are good enough?
 
Robstevo said:
Then apple shouldn't call it a pro then. Simple.

A bigger screen and a pen doesn't make this a pro device compared to the iPad air 2.

And for all the power it has, you will still only be working on watered down mobile apps.
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The hardware is certainly in the pro area. It's up to other companies to create pro software, not Apple. Well, maybe a couple pro app from them would help....
 
Robstevo said:
Then apple shouldn't call it a pro then. Simple.

A bigger screen and a pen doesn't make this a pro device compared to the iPad air 2.

And for all the power it has, you will still only be working on watered down mobile apps.
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The apps don't have to be watered down.

magbarn said:
Why do I get the feeling that the vast majority of these iPad Pros are going to be glorified Facebook/Youtube appliances?


Judging by many replies here, I've got a feeling that the vast majority of these so called pro iPads are going to be used for editing 4 second 4k clips from a 6s, Facebook, and watching cat videos on YouTube.
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And I would counter with that most likely being what a majority of MBP users do with theirs. Doesn't make it any less Pro.
 
Robstevo said:
Indeed. I fact I haven't Once seen anyone yet on this site actually give an account of how this pro machine is any different from an air?

Will artists be making money on this pro? Doubt it, most will be using a desk top application using a main computer. Unless they somehow think watered down adobe apps have the same capabilities as the desktop counter parts.

Same with word , Excel etc are they saying you can run databases, spread sheets as effectively as the desktop counter parts etc

Seriously it's a slightly larger iPad air with a style capability that no consumer has even tried yet, not do we know the latency or pressure capability of the pen.

Any professional that says they can use this defence, without even waiting to find out the capabilites isn't worth a grain. And by professionals I mean artists. Why would an artist buy something without knowing if the tools are good enough?
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Yup this iPad 'Pro' is basically a "iPad Air 2S Plus"
Michael Goff said:
The apps don't have to be watered down.



And I would counter with that most likely being what a majority of MBP users do with theirs. Doesn't make it any less Pro.
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At least the mbp is capable of pro level I/O. The iPad pro does not
 
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