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Yes, it's pretty simple in my case. All I want is a tablet running full version of Photoshop.

But because photoshop wasn't meant to be used with a touch based OS a "full version" would most likely be a much different experience on a tablet unless you're thinking apple will add a mouse pointer option.
 
Yes, it's pretty simple in my case. All I want is a tablet running full version of Photoshop.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Microsoft understands that, Apple is trying to force me to use some gimmicky dumbed down versions
instead of the full working Photoshop. Why? Because their "full" OS X doesn't support touch screen
and their gimmicky iOS doesn't support file system and full OS X apps...


It's hardly Apples fault, or responsibility, for the lack of an Adobe product. Even the current iPad could support a version of Photoshop comparable to the desktop version feature wise.

I don't buy the file system argument either. Maybe it's because I make apps I look at it differently. But iOS, oddly enough, does have a file system. iOS is in fact an actual operating system, it just happens to be tailored for mobile devices and only mobile devices. Likewise, OS X is tailored for the desktop environment.

Just because Apple limits what and where you can access that file system, something I'm actually in favour of for security reasons, doesn't mean there isn't one.

The old, think different, slogan is perfectly suited to iOS. You can save files locally on your device, keep them in iCloud which I like as it means my files are instantly accessible to my iPad, iPhone and Mac, put them in Dropbox and so on and so on. I'm not one to panic because I don't have access to a "my computer", "finder" or "my documents" folder. There are other ways.

I'm not wishing to start an argument over operating systems, this is obviously a personal preference. But I've used Windows 8 and Windows 10 on tablets and I hate it most times I have to use it. Often I have to drop into the desktop and unless there's a mouse and keyboard attached I find it an utter pain in the arse to use. To me it's not touch friendly enough for me to consider it as anything but something that still belongs on a laptop or desktop computer, I don't think it's the best of both worlds at all. Not yet anyway, I do think it will continue to improve. But like I say, that's me, there are millions of people quite happy with it.

Anyway, I mention that just for this, it's why I like that Apple has continued to keep iOS and OS X seperate. The interface especially caters to two very different usage scenarios. By keeping them seperate it forces developers to design in a certain way, one that is specifically tailored to the individual system.

iOS itself could play host to Photoshop and when combined with iPad Pro the hardware is sufficiently powerful enough to accommodate it also. So the only limiting factor is Adobe, not the hardware, or iOS. Think beyond that which we have become all too familiar with for decades and there are possibilities we never imagined. Or to put it another way, think different.

I probably had a point when I started this, but I forget what it was. Bloody medication :D
 
No palm rejection, noisey, no pressure sensitivity. Jot touch is pressure sensitive--but this feature adds latency.

Yes, the Jot PRO does not have pressure sensitivity. However, the two apps I use it with (Notes Plus and Notability) both have palm rejection that work almost flawlessly for me. And noise-wise, the latest Jot PRO with spring-loaded tip (which is the one I have) is quieter than any stylus with a hard tip that I've tried -- the only styli that are quieter are those with rubber tips, but they tend to drag (potentially scratching the screen) when they begin to wear after a few days of use.

For me the Jot PRO precision, zero offset, zero lag and smooth, near-paper feel more than outweigh the lack of pressure sensitivity and slight noise. And while I respect that these advantages may not be important for your dominant use case(s), this stylus is definitely not garbage. Quite the contrary, it is an elegant, high quality, though imperfect, tablet writing instrument.
 
For me the Jot PRO precision, zero offset, zero lag and smooth, near-paper feel more than outweigh the lack of pressure sensitivity and slight noise.

zero lag? lol. This might be an acceptable solution in the context of available ipad styluses--but not in the context of active digitizers.
 
So the only limiting factor is Adobe, not the hardware, or iOS....


Don't agree with anything you wrote, but this is simply outrageous. Adobe already has
a perfect application designed to be used with a tablet - something I have been doing
for ages. A Wacom tablet, but it works. Now with the advancement of technology
I can run the SAME application on a tiny 13 inch laptop-tablet which has
an i7 processor, 1TB of SSD, 16GB of RAM, amazing screen and a graphics card.
Why do you want Adobe to reinvent something they already have?
It's stupid Apple which wants to control everything, charge every developer 30%
for each app sold and limit people from using their devices the way they WANT,
not the way Apple want them to want...
 
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One more thing - the silly argument about "iCloud" or any other "iPlace" -
I work daily with files larger than 1GB. How am I supposed to save this in the iCloud?
How am I supposed to organize my giant files there? Are they gonna be synced to my iPhone too?
Sorry, I want a file system, I want to SEE my files and be able to MOVE them freely.
 
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it is a PRO device which you can't use full software on it basically you have to use simplified apps for your task, more over there is no port to transfer your file to/from to other devices. let say you edit a autocad drawing and want to print it. when you go for printing he would ask the file on usb stick. so basically is useless device in my opinion
 
One more thing - the silly argument about "iCloud" or any other "iPlace" -
I work daily with files larger than 1GB. How am I supposed to save this in the iCloud?
How am I supposed to organize my giant files there? Are they gonna be synced to my iPhone too?
Sorry, I want a file system, I want to SEE my files and be able to MOVE them freely.

iCloud Drive app. Dropbox app. Easy. Since a lot of businesses are moving, or have moved to cloud based working, with others following, you'll have to adapt.
 
it is a PRO device which you can't use full software on it basically you have to use simplified apps for your task, more over there is no port to transfer your file to/from to other devices. let say you edit a autocad drawing and want to print it. when you go for printing he would ask the file on usb stick. so basically is useless device in my opinion

- Pro apps will come. You'll see.
- email the file? Dropbox it? AirPrint of its a printer in the same building. I know people using autocad professionally (on computers, but want to move to tablets), they use Dropbox. One uploads to a secure site. that can also work if you used iOS.
 
- Pro apps will come. You'll see.
- email the file? Dropbox it? AirPrint of its a printer in the same building. I know people using autocad professionally (on computers, but want to move to tablets), they use Dropbox. One uploads to a secure site. that can also work if you used iOS.
in most of average or big companies they are print room(s) which some of the print rooms are not in the network duo to some technical and safety reasons, so it cant be done over the net and even if it was possible how i could persuade the print guy to do some extra work ( it will take his time to open email download it and etc,..)
 
It's hardly Apples fault, or responsibility, for the lack of an Adobe product. Even the current iPad could support a version of Photoshop comparable to the desktop version feature wise.

Its not the fault of Adobe either. They are providing a lot of developer support to ios. But why should they agree to port and sell their subscription golden geese at ios prices, minus a 30% cut to Apple.
 
Off topic but have you used graphic on an ipad? Basically a watered down version of illustrator.

Or is Illustrator a bloated version of iGraphic? If your doing light vector redraw, iGraphic is pretty cool. Illustrator is great, but I sometimes use Inkscape. I dont know if i'd want to do hard core vector editing without a mouse, anyway.
 
Or is Illustrator a bloated version of iGraphic? If your doing light vector redraw, iGraphic is pretty cool. Illustrator is great, but I sometimes use Inkscape. I dont know if i'd want to do hard core vector editing without a mouse, anyway.

I don't think any vector graphic capable ipad apps are sophisticated enough to output production ready files but the desktop version of graphic previously idraw probably could
 
I don't think any vector graphic capable ipad apps are sophisticated enough to output production ready files but the desktop version of graphic previously idraw probably could

Our designers & engineers used iDraw. It was great for brainstorming at cataloging sketches. Eventually everyone got used to vector sketching by fingertip in it quickly and accurately, and the desktop component was extremely useful. We were even able to come up with albeit messy workarounds for iOS's filesystem shortcomings, of not being able to link cad files into sketches, or accommodate multi-user access & collaboration etc. Single most used application in our firm until we finally gave up on iOS. IDraw (now Graphic) plus the Pencil, is the best thing iPad has going for it.
 
Our designers & engineers used iDraw. It was great for brainstorming at cataloging sketches. Eventually everyone got used to vector sketching by fingertip in it quickly and accurately, and the desktop component was extremely useful. We were even able to come up with albeit messy workarounds for iOS's filesystem shortcomings, of not being able to link cad files into sketches, or accommodate multi-user access & collaboration etc. Single most used application in our firm until we finally gave up on iOS. IDraw (now Graphic) plus the Pencil, is the best thing iPad has going for it.

That's actually pretty impressive.

If iOS had some type of mouse pointer option I could see myself doing a lot of design work(vector) using graphic. For the same reasons you've mentioned it's just a lot easier for me to use illustrator on my MacBook.

Have you looked into the app called concept? I think it's tailored more for actual mock ups than sketching. Super clean interface. Also vector graphic based.
 
Ridiculous. My Air 2 can do anything the Pro can do except using that overpriced Apple Pencil.

A Pro is certainly not a must have and because it is so expensive that does so little like you couldn't even use a mouse, I can't see this device taking off. The Apple Watch is one thing, but this??

I'll never buy this device, but I'm sort of glad it runs iOS. I hate OS X with a passion. Can't even do basic things like auto reconnect to your network drives after a disconnect. But, the funny thing is iOS doesn't even HAVE that feature.

I'm getting a Surface Book when it reaches the UK.
 
I think the tilt sensitivity on the pencil is a game-changer combined with the fact that Adobe says they are writing brand new EXCLUSIVE creative apps for iPad Pro.
 
Can't even do basic things like auto reconnect to your network drives after a disconnect. But, the funny thing is iOS doesn't even HAVE that feature.

If we're talking about the same thing it literally took me less than 10 minutes to google how to do this and have it set up.
 
If we're talking about the same thing it literally took me less than 10 minutes to google how to do this and have it set up.
How about you show me the link. Because I've searched for this over the web before and you'll need to purchase a 3rd party app for this function to work, when in Windows it's built in.
 
Don't agree with anything you wrote, but this is simply outrageous. Adobe already has
a perfect application designed to be used with a tablet - something I have been doing
for ages. A Wacom tablet, but it works. Now with the advancement of technology
I can run the SAME application on a tiny 13 inch laptop-tablet which has
an i7 processor, 1TB of SSD, 16GB of RAM, amazing screen and a graphics card.
Why do you want Adobe to reinvent something they already have?
It's stupid Apple which wants to control everything, charge every developer 30%
for each app sold and limit people from using their devices the way they WANT,
not the way Apple want them to want...

I big time disagree. Photoshop is horrible on a Cintiq 13hd. Everything is so tiny that I ended up reverting back to an Intuos to use with my larger 24in display. Everything was so tiny and not optimized for a tablet experience, PS was clearly designed for cursor/keyboard input.

It is definitely Adobe's responsibility to optimize their apps for iOS rather than for Apple to support such a lousy experience. So to your point, Adobe's current Photoshop experience is ****** on tablets.
 
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One more thing - the silly argument about "iCloud" or any other "iPlace" -
I work daily with files larger than 1GB. How am I supposed to save this in the iCloud?
How am I supposed to organize my giant files there? Are they gonna be synced to my iPhone too?
Sorry, I want a file system, I want to SEE my files and be able to MOVE them freely.

What sort of files are you dealing with that they are to be so large? Adobe already has their own cloud service that allows you to save files that you work with Adobe products.
 
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This is what I googled:

os x auto connect network drive

Is this what you're looking for?
Nope. These are solutions to reconnect to your network drives after you've done a system reboot.

What if you need to reboot your router or you change Wifi networks? Your network drives get disconnected on your system and it will stay that way even if the network drives are available in your network until you ask your Mac to connect to them again.

Annoying. This doesn't happen with Windows.
 
Its not the fault of Adobe either. They are providing a lot of developer support to ios. But why should they agree to port and sell their subscription golden geese at ios prices, minus a 30% cut to Apple.

Except they wouldn't get a cut since they already provide iOS apps for free to their subscribers.
 
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