iPad Pro Hands-on Makes the Case for Productivity Uses, Apple Pencil Is Excellent

[Arminnn89]

The poster was specifically referring to Plotters. Do you know of any Plotters that support wireless printing?

well if some one is sleeping you can awake him but it is very hard to wake someone up when he is pretending to be sleep.
as you mentioned they are big limitation on plotters with wireless connectivity, and it is not norm of industry. i agree that this device can be used for lots of things, but lets agree on it it is not perfect device for a pro and industry.

 

[Rogifan]

All these people that need desktop software on a tablet I guess need to go to Windows. I don't see Apple ever bringing OS X to a tablet and I don't see them adding a pointer or visible file system (outside of iCloud Drive app) to iOS.

 

[Rogifan]

90% of people in the world use Windows

I use Windows for work. But not by choice. And when I'm not at work I have no desire to use it.

Jobs was wrong. Why do people act like he was some god that was always right?! He was a human being, we're all fallible.

When it comes to iPad I don't think there is consensus. I've read pieces from people who think Jobs was wrong and are glad Apple is making changes to iOS for iPad. I've read others who disagree and think Apple's making things too complex and iPad should be a single user/single app immersive experience that Jobs sort of showed off in 2010. I personally like what Apple is doing now. The hardware is so much more capable it would be a shame to not let software/apps take advantage of it.

 

[sracer]

There are none that will run print sets from iOS, & tossing one on a wireless print hub won't do the job either. There is far to much going on in a large format print to squeeze into a blind interface and simple "print" command.

Not going to drive CNC machines either.

The point of raising the issue of wireless printing for Plotters had nothing to do with iOS. @Arminnn89 was responding to @shandyman 's assertion that wired printing is obsolete.

 

[Manatlt]

I can see how that can be annoying. That being said I have also worked in the IT field for the last few years and have never heard of this complaint to the point it was a deciding factor in using windows over OS X

I also play games that cannot be played on Mac, the freedom to upgrade parts on the PC...

I just prefer Windows. And Microsoft really stepped it up with Windows 10.

I'm not saying OS X/Macs are rubbish, it just doesn't fit the needs for me. Although I do own a 2014 Mac Mini for mostly Kodi (and that's when I discovered about the network drive issue).

iOS is beast though, nothing comes close to it for mobiles. Just a bit puzzled why they used iOS on iPad Pro when it just a heavier Air 2 with a buffy processor and RAM, surround sound and bigger screen.

 

[TrueBlou]

I also play games that cannot be played on Mac, the freedom to upgrade parts on the PC...

I just prefer Windows. And Microsoft really stepped it up with Windows 10.

I'm not saying OS X/Macs are rubbish, it just doesn't fit the needs for me. Although I do own a 2014 Mac Mini for mostly Kodi (and that's when I discovered about the network drive issue).

iOS is beast though, nothing comes close to it for mobiles. Just a bit puzzled why they used iOS on iPad Pro when it just a heavier Air 2 with a buffy processor and RAM, surround sound and bigger screen.

Wow, a sensible post, such a rare thing

You did hit the nail on the head, for many things it is a preference. I worked with, programmed for and fixed Windows computers for almost 20 years and by the end of that I'd began to hate them with a passion. That's how I ended up using a Mac in the first place and I've never looked back.

But that preference is also where the problems begin. I'm not referring to you, but some people in this thread seem to think that iOS is not an operating system. When in fact that couldn't be more untrue. iOS is a modern and extremely efficient operating system.

The whole notion that iOS wouldn't be capable of running certain programs is complete nonsense. Apple chose to use iOS for the iPad Pro because it's the perfect fit. It's efficient, powerful, flexible, easy to develop for and sticking with it gives developers the freedom to offer one app across many devices.

The fact that certain apps don't exist for iOS rests entirely on the shoulders of the companies who create them. It has absolutely nothing to do with the iOS platforms capability to run software and more to do with the main market for iOS so far being the general consumer as opposed to the professional market.

 

[shandyman]

Good for you then. Our bank at my work location, we have printer attached to network through network cable. No wireless printing. There is no reason for having wireless printing, since all computers are attached to the networks.

We are be allowed to use personal devices to store client informations nor connect our personal devices to corporate network.

Businesses are gradually moving over to wifi networks. There's a lot of banks over here in the UK that are on wifi networks, Barclays is, I know that for sure.

When it comes to iPad I don't think there is consensus. I've read pieces from people who think Jobs was wrong and are glad Apple is making changes to iOS for iPad. I've read others who disagree and think Apple's making things too complex and iPad should be a single user/single app immersive experience that Jobs sort of showed off in 2010. I personally like what Apple is doing now. The hardware is so much more capable it would be a shame to not let software/apps take advantage of it.

When I say that Jobs was wrong, I mean that he was a bit closed minded. I should have been a bit clearer.

 

[TrueBlou]

Businesses are gradually moving over to wifi networks. There's a lot of banks over here in the UK that are on wifi networks, Barclays is, I know that for sure.



When I say that Jobs was wrong, I mean that he was a bit closed minded. I should have been a bit clearer.

Can't speak for them all but I know our local HBOS is on WiFi, I only know because I was chatting to the engineer who was working on it when it crapped out.

 

[peterdevries]

i wonder if you ever worked in a company mate. or even if you are too young to work have you ever seen wireless printing in a uni ? i doubt it if any plotter has a wireless printing. i haven't seen any yet
well you can press print wirelessly at your home but not in a big company i am talking about printing A0 or A1 sheets not everyday printing of few pages of a book mate. it is ridicolous if you think in a indurial size of company with 1000+ employees that you can print wirelessly. it will be be mess when you go down from level 4 in building to basement and see they are 20 other people has printed something in your way to print room. ipad pro may be good enough for personal use but it is not suitable for industrial use

Funny. I work in a consultancy with 2500 consultants. We all print wirelessly from laptops, smartphones and tablets. In addition for one of my pharmaceutical clients I work with designers on illustrator designs for vaccine diaries. These are wirelessly printed. The printer doesn't need to be wireless enabled itself if network printing is enabled.

 

[rowspaxe]

The 30% cut is a non issue and one that I think most people don't understand.

If I were to go to any retailer to purchase software of any kind, do you think that retailer isn't charging a percentage for the privilege? Do they pass 100% of my money on to the developer? Of course they don't. In this situation Apple is taking the place of the retailer, providing the developer with a storefront with millions of potential customers.

Adobe already has a distribution system--Creative Cloud. Why develop an ios priced version of the software and then chunk over 30% of the reduced revenue to Apple.

 

[rowspaxe]

I use Windows for work. But not by choice. And when I'm not at work I have no desire to use it.
.

Congratulations. Welcome to the 10%

 

[shandyman]

Adobe already has a distribution system--Creative Cloud. Why develop an ios priced version of the software and then chunk over 30% of the reduced revenue to Apple.

adobe already do iOS apps, are working on more. You really think they won't expand on that?

Mind you, before Adobe released any iOS apps, people shouted from the rooftops that Adobe would never touch iOS, they were wrong too.

 

[TrueBlou]

Adobe already has a distribution system--Creative Cloud. Why develop an ios priced version of the software and then chunk over 30% of the reduced revenue to Apple.

For one, they could use their existing subscription service to provide full access to a suite of free apps on iOS. Thereby negating any fees to Apple.
Of course with a potential market of many millions of people, that 30% cut is an easy pill to swallow when you could be generating a multi-million dollar revenue stream from the App Store.

This 30% cut nonsense is just that, nonsense. Distributors and developers have been dealing with retailer markups since the year dot. It's nothing new. And as I've said, if they really want to avoid it, they can.

 

[rowspaxe]

But that preference is also where the problems begin. I'm not referring to you, but some people in this thread seem to think that iOS is not an operating system. When in fact that couldn't be more untrue. iOS is a modern and extremely efficient operating system.

No has asserted it is not an os, only that it is an limited os, with no exposed filetree.

The fact that certain apps don't exist for iOS rests entirely on the shoulders of the companies who create them. It has absolutely nothing to do with the iOS platforms capability to run software and more to do with the main market for iOS so far being the general consumer as opposed to the professional market.

Blame whomever you want, the reality is that ios environment lacks key pro apps.
You could as easily say its developers fault that the Windows store provides such a poor app ecosystem. In each case, its really about money

 

[TrueBlou]

No has asserted it is not an os, only that it is an limited os, with no exposed filetree.



Blame whomever you want, the reality is that ios environment lacks key pro apps.
You could as easily say its developers fault that the Windows store provides such a poor app ecosystem. In each case, its really about money

Of course in the end it often boils down to money and resources, that's just the way of things.

But to suggest that anyone other than the developer of any software for any platform is responsible for that person, or companies, software is ludicrous. Only that developer can provide their software regardless of platform. So if key software doesn't exist on iOS, it's because the developers haven't made it.

If you believe otherwise you might as well say Santa is responsible for Grand Theft Auto 5 not being on Linux.

As for the exposed file tree, why? I mean I know we've all been force fed it for decades, but I've never encountered any problems getting files between my Mac, iPad, iPhone or other people's Windows systems. And if you really, really want to dig about a full file tree on iOS there are ways to achieve it.

 

[nia820]

Unless the apple pencil can turn the ipad pro into a ios-osx hybrid,it's still a waste of money.

Apple has to dump ios for ipad pro in order for it to be a true productivity tablet.

 

[shandyman]

Adobe already has a distribution system--Creative Cloud. Why develop an ios priced version of the software and then chunk over 30% of the reduced revenue to Apple.

Microsoft already has a distribution system -- Office 365. They have developed an iOS version of their software and have Pro
Versions en route. So, want to try again?

Blame whomever you want, the reality is that ios environment lacks key pro apps.
You could as easily say its developers fault that the Windows store provides such a poor app ecosystem. In each case, its really about money

It lacks pro apps at this time, simply because there wasn't a need or a device for it. With the iPad Pro coming out, that will change.

 

[rowspaxe]

Microsoft already has a distribution system -- Office 365. They have developed an iOS version of their software and have Pro
Versions en route. So, want to try again?

Microsoft ios "pro" apps will enable pen functionality in the ios Office Suite--but significant functionality from the x64 versions will still be missing. Want to try again?

 

[Derpage]

Pro meaning desktop apps?

yep. if it worked more like the intel versions of the Wacom Companion or the MS surface, I'd be more apt to take it seriously as a work tool.

 

[shandyman]

Microsoft ios "pro" apps will enable pen functionality in the ios Office Suite--but significant functionality from the x64 versions will still be missing. Want to try again?

They're bringing more functionality compared to the standard iPad app, if you watched the keynote. It's not just to enable pen functionality. Also, they're working on bringing more over, which you'll see in time. Want to try again?

 

[Rogifan]

Apple has to dump ios for ipad pro in order for it to be a true productivity tablet.

Says who? Who gets to decide what productivity means?

 

[rowspaxe]

They're bringing more functionality compared to the standard iPad app, if you watched the keynote. It's not just to enable pen functionality. Also, they're working on bringing more over, which you'll see over time.

bringing "more", "overtime"? lol. i thought this was your go to example?

 

[TrueBlou]

Says who? Who gets to decide what productivity means?

Apparently anyone who's favourite blankie isn't currently available for iOS.

 

[shandyman]

bringing "more", "overtime"? lol. i thought this was your go to example?

Now you're not making sense. I guess nonsensical babble is a way to avoid a constructive response

We get it, you don't like the iPad pro. Move on. The iPad pro isn't for me either, but I won't try and hate on it for nonsensical reasons.

 

[Shirasaki]

That. Apple are masters of planned obsolescence.

And this is very obvious for first iteration of products.
Check iPad 1 and iPad mini 1, which is the one I have now.