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SP4 kill this hands down.

I recently bought the SP3. I was just so intrigued by the concept. I had been wishing for an iPad running OS X or at least giving us file system access and the possibility of external storage. I wanted to love the SP3 but there were too many reasons not to.
Windows is not good for touch (and having abandoned windows as my main system more than 10 years ago, I have to say I didn't like coming back at all, even though I still use it for some things on a VM but as a main system it's just so cluttered). The tiles were ugly so I was only in desktop mode and it's so fidly on touch that you have to use a mouse if you want to do more than start a movie or browse some websites. Battery lasted 5 hours tops, huge disappointment.
The screen was reflecting too much. Even when watching a movie, something which shouldn't use a lot of resources, the fan often started blowing.
For a laptop it was just too weak, for a tablet not that great. I guess there are some who have use for it but I much more prefer the combo of a Macbook Pro and an iPad. I sold the SP3 and am considering the iPad Pro. I haven't paid a lot of attention to the SP4 but from what I read, it still has most of the weaknesses I described and the Surface Book having only 3 hours of battery without the keyboard is the biggest joke (apart from that, it would make a cool hackintosh).

One thing the SP3 made me realize is that an iPad running OS X might not be that great. An open and (really) professional iOS is probably better. Perhaps we'll get there by iOS 20.
 
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Would love the pencil in an iPad Mini.
I want to take notes on a Mini. I don't want another laptop.

Apple, if you want to separate me from my money, give me an iPad Mini that works with the Pencil.
 
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When can you pre-order??????????????????????????????????????????????????

Exactly!

We were told 'available in Nov'

It's already the 23rd of October and still no release date.

It's almost as if Apple is still readying the supply chain, trying to iron out some wrinkles in order to get this ready to ship.

On a related note: why is there no official release date for the  TV?
We only found out that it will ship next Friday because Tim happened to mention it during the WSJ event this week. But no info on the apple website.
 
But you're comparing a paradigm that has been refined since the 70's. Give it time. Multitouch and a stylus that actually works like in the real world is a very powerful way to interact with your content.

iPad pro is the first iPad where software developers can really explore this new paradigm so I expect productivity apps to improve greatly over time. Add 3D Touch and it'll be even more powerful. We're only scratching the surface of what's possible if you ask me.
Tim Cook did say Apple felt iPad Pro was their vision for the future of computing. I don't remember any of the demos using a keyboard during the event. For several years now I haven't used a laptop outside of work. Everything I was using my Windows laptop for I was able to replace with my iPad. The only reason I keep it is if I need to use iTunes to backup or restore one of my iOS devices.
 
Maybe. By "under the radar," I thought you meant that iPad Air 3 would just show up unannounced on the website one day.

No, I'm sure they will make some sort of formal announcement prior. However it won't be anything big and yeah it will just show up. Kinda like the iPad 4.

I forget the key note( I think for the mini) Apple was just like "oh yeah and we made a new iPad, it's really good and ships next week" lol
 
Must not read! Must not read! Must not read! Must not read!
I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one.
Must not buy. Must not buy. Must not buy. Must not buy. Must not buy.
;)
Don't buy it. Don't buy it. Don't buy it. Don't buy it. Don't buy it. :D
 
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iPad pro doesn't have force touch? Hmm.
Despite this, could I use it to write notes on onenote? Uh, maybe this requires app support.
And it's too big, as an iPad. I prefer mini size.
Apple pencil is a good idea. I sometimes hate using fingers to draw anything. Pen is the most natural tool Suitable for writing and drawing. My lecturer use his iPad mini and a modified pen to write on his iPad mini, and the result is just great.
 
Tim Cook did say Apple felt iPad Pro was their vision for the future of computing. I don't remember any of the demos using a keyboard during the event. For several years now I haven't used a laptop outside of work. Everything I was using my Windows laptop for I was able to replace with my iPad. The only reason I keep it is if I need to use iTunes to backup or restore one of my iOS devices.

This is my problem right there. For me, no matter what, I still can't see the iPad replacing my Macbook. The iPad does too many compromises to be able to replace a laptop. I think it's a huge compromise to not include another input method, i.e. a trackpad. Imagine yourself with a word document and the web browser open side by side, and having your fingers move up from the keyboard to the screen just to surf the web and type; it's not a utility solution and isn't well-thought out. It is something that a majority of users do day-by day. And it's magnified with the iPad Pro. It's a massive 12.9" 4:3 tablet, and you constantly have to move your hands from the keyboard to the screen to navigate some controls, which will be a hurdle to your process of work. It's just one example of the compromises it can't do compared to a real notebook.

The iPad does many great things, like chilling in bed watching some videos or reading an article or a book. It's great for some quick moments and you want something easy to carry and can do some light work. You can forgive its compromises when it's an 8" or 10" tablet because it's smaller than a notebook. But when it's a 13" tablet, and realistically costs $1100 (128GB + Keyboard), I can't say that it'll replace a laptop. It needs to be a real utility tool that can be depended on.

If they want the vision of computing to be reliant on the iPad, it needs to improve...A LOT.
 
I recently bought the SP3. I was just so intrigued by the concept. I had been wishing for an iPad running OS X or at least giving us file system access and the possibility of external storage. I wanted to love the SP3 but there were too many reasons not to.
Windows is not good for touch (and having abandoned windows as my main system more than 10 years ago, I have to say I didn't like coming back at all, even though I still use it for some things on a VM but as a main system it's just so cluttered). The tiles were ugly so I was only in desktop mode and it's so fidly on touch that you have to use a mouse if you want to do more than start a movie or browse some websites. Battery lasted 5 hours tops, huge disappointment.
The screen was reflecting too much. Even when watching a movie, something which shouldn't use a lot of resources, the fan often started blowing.
For a laptop it was just too weak, for a tablet not that great. I guess there are some who have use for it but I much more prefer the combo of a Macbook Pro and an iPad. I sold the SP3 and am considering the iPad Pro. I haven't paid a lot of attention to the SP4 but from what I read, it still has most of the weaknesses I described and the Surface Book having only 3 hours of battery without the keyboard is the biggest joke (apart from that, it would make a cool hackintosh).

One thing the SP3 made me realize is that an iPad running OS X might not be that great. An open and (really) professional iOS is probably better. Perhaps we'll get there by iOS 20.
Thats where Im at tbqh!
 
Near perfect palm rejection? I'm a stickler for this, it needs to be perfect or else I'm always going to have issues while taking critical notes. Why near perfect and not perfect?

Anyone know if palm rejection is implemented by the app or if it's handled by iOS?
Probably a little column A, a little column B. Right now it's handled in app but you would think if Apple is going to add the feature it might work a lot better since they have a more intimate relationship with the hardware/software.
 
This is my problem right there. For me, no matter what, I still can't see the iPad replacing my Macbook. The iPad does too many compromises to be able to replace a laptop. I think it's a huge compromise to not include another input method, i.e. a trackpad. Imagine yourself with a word document and the web browser open side by side, and having your fingers move up from the keyboard to the screen just to surf the web and type; it's not a utility solution and isn't well-thought out. It is something that a majority of users do day-by day. And it's magnified with the iPad Pro. It's a massive 12.9" 4:3 tablet, and you constantly have to move your hands from the keyboard to the screen to navigate some controls, which will be a hurdle to your process of work. It's just one example of the compromises it can't do compared to a real notebook.

The iPad does many great things, like chilling in bed watching some videos or reading an article or a book. It's great for some quick moments and you want something easy to carry and can do some light work. You can forgive its compromises when it's an 8" or 10" tablet because it's smaller than a notebook. But when it's a 13" tablet, and realistically costs $1100 (128GB + Keyboard), I can't say that it'll replace a laptop. It needs to be a real utility tool that can be depended on.

If they want the vision of computing to be reliant on the iPad, it needs to improve...A LOT.
IPads have better shelf life than actual macs. They have more power than people need.
 
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It sounds like a great product, but my drawing skills are pretty awful so perhaps I don't need the pencil:)

As others have written though, I would really like to see 3D Touch on iPad mini, but I guess that won't happen until next fall ...
 
Next year, apple will release the iPad Pro 2, featuring 3D touch, 20% lighter body. But that's not it! They will release iOS 10 to make your iPad Pro 1 30% slower!

If that's your opinion. You should stop looking for Apple products, and don't buy Apple products.

Doesn't look like Tim Cook needs your money.
 
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It doesn't matter. It's running iOS, so true productivity is always limited. You just need an open file system for truly powerful applications.

Should've ran OS X at least.
Or, you know, Apple could make a more powerful version of iOS that contains more productivity features? Slapping OS X onto iPad Pro will just take all the baggage from the desktop environment to a touch environment.
 
Meh. Get a surface pro and do a lot more. The iPad "pro" is pretty crippled to truly call it a pro device. Win10 has been a pleasure to use for me so far and it is kind of annoying how Apple ragged on the surface because of the keyboard attachment and pen... And then they copy it several years later.

When did Apple ever mention the Surface?
 
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I wouldn't be so sure. With the power of the A9x chip, and the huge installed user base, Adobe may one day make Creative Cloud versions for iOS.

Still cannot beat Surface or MacBook for that matters. I just cannot think doing photoshop or other using finger. We need pointing device do do all these editing. Even if Adobe release full Photoshop for iOS, it would horrifying to use.
 
Does it make a case for people who need to access the file system? Or run OS X apps?

No. It's an iPad.

Still cannot beat Surface or MacBook for that matters.

It's not meant to beat the MacBook. That's why they are different products.

I just cannot think doing photoshop or other using finger. We need pointing device do do all these editing. Even if Adobe release full Photoshop for iOS, it would horrifying to use.

Apple Pencil.

Very confusing to say : Buyer's Guide: iPad Pro (Don't Buy) at the last sentences of the article.
 
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Ehh too expensive for something that'll be obsolete once iOS 10 is out.

Why would be obsolete with iOS 10?

If Apple are moving to a 2 year upgrade cycle for iPads then it's an ideal time to buy the iPad Pro.

I just hope they've built enough that I don't have to wait ages to get one. I hate that. By the time they sorted out the production problems with the Watch and new MB this year I didn't think it was worth buying them when new models would be out in 6 months.
 
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