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Not sure why they are comparing these two products as they are completely different. One is a large tablet that runs off the app store, the other is a full blown OS device that can be used in tablet form. I have an iPad 2 and a Surface Pro 3. If all I'm doing is lounging around and only need to surf the web or check email I'll grab the iPad. If I need to do actual work with MS Office, Photoshop, Dreamweaver and so on I'll grab the Surface. Both great products but for me they have very different purposes.
 
I don't see it being a good fit because how it works. The fact that you have to put some pressure on the screen means that most of the mediocre kickstand wouldn't hold up. When a person uses it with a phone, they're generally holding it with one and applying pressure with the other.



It's the pressure I'm not seeing work. You can do a right click type thing without there being 3D Touch.



And then there's the fact that you have to put pressure on it and most of the kick stands wouldn't hold up too well with you pushing on it with any real pressure. There's that too.

It has to do with torque and rotation point, the point you press harder if it's near the opposite edge, especially in landscape mode, on a tablet, well it will be a really awkward thing to hold. Same stability problem with just about any tablet holder; they're not meant to get 5 pounds of pressure on just one side.

So, 3d touch would mostly be useful when on the table mode, which is not the main way people use tablets.

Not to mention the whole increased weight thing which goes against the main function of a tablet in the first place; one hand portability.
 
I hope that the success of the iPad Pro will convince Apple that they should re-make the 17" Macbook Pro. With current technology, they should be able to make one considerably lighter and thinner than the last 2011 model. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
 
I have to say I'm surprised by this. I mean, I don't really like surfaces, from my limited use of them the impression they left me with is that they are neither a great laptop, or a great tablet, just ok at both. But when we had to get my son a new device for school recently, and weighing all the options we ended up getting him a Surface Pro 3. He is a big PC gamer, and has a Windows 10 desktop for that. He lost his iPad (Hence the need for something new. It was my old iPad 3) but was finding that the iPad wasn't working out that well for how he needed to use it at school. So I had to put aside my apple fanboyism (The household has slowly been migrating from Microsoft to Apple products.) For getting stuff done in Office type apps I think a Surface beats an iPad.

Personally I don't use my iPad for stuff like that, and I still really want an iPad Pro for myself ......I just can't explain why, or justify the cost when I have a perfectly good iPad Air 2.
 
Personally I don't use my iPad for stuff like that, and I still really want an iPad Pro for myself ......I just can't explain why, or justify the cost when I have a perfectly good iPad Air 2.

I know the feeling except I went the SP4 route. Sold my rMBP and iPad gen 4 to fund it. Love my iPhone 6 Plus, I just don't want that operating system on a huge tablet.
 
Not sure why they are comparing these two products as they are completely different. One is a large tablet that runs off the app store, the other is a full blown OS device that can be used in tablet form. I have an iPad 2 and a Surface Pro 3. If all I'm doing is lounging around and only need to surf the web or check email I'll grab the iPad. If I need to do actual work with MS Office, Photoshop, Dreamweaver and so on I'll grab the Surface. Both great products but for me they have very different purposes.

Must have head to head to battles to stroke ego's and get site hits up. As usual for stuff like this right tool for the job concept (very subjective), what is more functional (again subjective) are innocent bystanders in the fire.


I neither like nor hate either device tbh. If given the money I'd go SP tbh. IPP meets none of my needs over what my mini 4 does. Or MBP tbh....I don't mind the weight and such, tbh, for what it gets me when carried.

If the day came I dreaded carrying the MBP around SP gives me mouse, less restrictive OS for more application options (app store tbh does not meet my needs very well...but those are my needs so for others it does cool really) and other stuff (real file system to talk with my NAS and other bene's). But those are my needs. Others can have theirs. If met by IPP...happy that works for them.

Wish these head to head threads would end really. So we can get to better ones. I can start that.

Snap-on versus craftsman....fight! Well not really a fight, craftsman by KO round 1.
 
Neither Apple nor Microsoft provide sales figures so where is IDC getting these figures from other than just guessing?

Among other things, they do channel surveys, and make estimates based on the numbers they get from that.
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I've owned every iPad except the Pro but iOS kills it for me. Throwing more memory and making the screen bigger doesn't make it a PRO, OS X would have though.

You *do* realize that the underpinnings of iOS and OS X are, quite literally, the same. Right? The biggest difference between the two are the UI layer, and (as the Surface has repeatedly shown) putting non-touch interfaces on touch-hardware makes for a sub-optimal experience.
 
I've used Surface Pro 4 for quite some time now and the UI problems are not that huge.
Most things you can't easily do via touch are functions you mostly don't even have on iOS, Windows Mobile or Android or options you set up like once a year.

Also OS X uses bigger icons and text than Windows in general, so touching it won't be that uncomfortable considering you are using a 12.9" iPad Pro and no 4.7" iPhone.
 
Among other things, they do channel surveys, and make estimates based on the numbers they get from that.
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You *do* realize that the underpinnings of iOS and OS X are, quite literally, the same. Right? The biggest difference between the two are the UI layer, and (as the Surface has repeatedly shown) putting non-touch interfaces on touch-hardware makes for a sub-optimal experience.
As such iOS is "crippled" on the IPP. Give me a file manager and I'll give them my money.
http://www.cultofmac.com/393895/should-apple-merge-ios-with-os-x-for-ipad-pro/
 
I left Apple to pursue the 2-in-1 Surface Pro 4. It looked nice, it had all the bells and whistles with great reviews. Plus I figured, "hey, this thing is on its 4th version, should be good."

Boy was I wrong. I have almost daily bug issues with the Surface Pro 4, and have to restart it constantly. Plus I get around 4-5 hours of solid battery with the screen on about 60% brightness. It has so far disappointed me.

Maybe I will go over to the iPad Pro. Still not sure what to do for my next laptop/tablet. I am heavily leaning toward going back to Apple.
 
I left Apple to pursue the 2-in-1 Surface Pro 4. It looked nice, it had all the bells and whistles with great reviews. Plus I figured, "hey, this thing is on its 4th version, should be good."

Boy was I wrong. I have almost daily bug issues with the Surface Pro 4, and have to restart it constantly. Plus I get around 4-5 hours of solid battery with the screen on about 60% brightness. It has so far disappointed me.

Maybe I will go over to the iPad Pro. Still not sure what to do for my next laptop/tablet. I am heavily leaning toward going back to Apple.
How long have you had it and what's the batch number? Thanks
 
And now other sites released 2.5 million estimated Surface devices for Q4 2015.
For sure another site will release 2.7 million iPad Pros, followed by another one with 1.4 million.
And that's why I don't give a **** about market research. We will know when Apple and MS publish some official data.
 
I wonder how many iPad Pro users have contemplated a Surface Pro... and vice versa.
Or are the current iPad Pro users die-hard iOS fans?

I for one have purchased both the Surface Pro 4 and the iPad Pro LTE, both for my business. My partner prefers the Surface, but only uses it when traveling, otherwise wed to her Windows 10 desktop or Lumia 950XL. I use the iPad Pro every freaking day -- an astonishing pleasure to operate, despite the limitations of iOS, which mostly have to do with the file system or lack thereof, and its inability to save attachments to PDF format without silly workarounds. These are more than compensated for by the iPad Pro's plethora of productivity apps, the Pencil, and so on. Photo post-processing is not just easy but FUN. Writing is mostly a superior experience, except when it comes to manipulating files.

I am NOT a die-hard iOS fan, but a longtime Windows user and only a recent user of OS X, mostly because of Apple's superior trackpad.
 
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I wonder how many iPad Pro users have contemplated a Surface Pro... and vice versa.
Or are the current iPad Pro users die-hard iOS fans?

I did. I spent a couple months considering the Surface Book, vs the iPad Pro. I went with the iPad Pro because of the Apple Pencil and apps like ProCreate. Both are phenomenal.
 
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The market is over saturated. I do like the Surface Pro more than the iPad though. Either way, you cant go wrong.
 
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