iPad Sales Estimated to Have Already Surpassed 500,000

[AidenShaw]

But its still internet statistics based tracking. Its just another kind of cr@p.

As long as you admit that my "Oops" comment about IP tracking was valid, and your retort lame - fine. Works for me.

No statistical tracking system will be perfect - like the "Good", "Better", "Best" adjectives on store ads (which may mean "Poor", "Mediocre" and "Acceptable") - some statistical methods have fewer inherent errors than others.

Your comment

Yet its perfectly acceptable for something like browser marketshare and OS marketshare?

Oops!

is ignorant of the different techniques used for the Net Applications marketshare reports vs. the Ipad statistics (which Steve Jobs himself showed were wildly optimistic). Net Applications does not do simple IP counting. Your retort is therefore weak.

I've done my homework and more, this is discussed in head crushing detail in the compulsry paper of the foundation course.

Please share the details of this "foundation course" with us - my mind-reading skills are weak.

You didn't do your homework if you accused Net Applications of relying on IP address counting. Net Applications has more than 3 million paying customers who trust the data collected. To me, that counts more than one junior netizen saying that their statistics are "just another kind of cr@p".

 

[MorphingDragon]

As long as you admit that my "Oops" comment about IP tracking was valid, and your retort lame - fine. Works for me.

No statistical tracking system will be perfect - like the "Good", "Better", "Best" adjectives on store ads (which may mean "Poor", "Mediocre" and "Acceptable") - some statistical methods have fewer inherent errors than others.

Your comment



is ignorant of the different techniques used for the Net Applications marketshare reports vs. the Ipad statistics (which Steve Jobs himself showed were wildly optimistic). Net Applications does not do simple IP counting. Your retort is therefore weak.




Please share the details of this "foundation course" with us - my mind-reading skills are weak.

You didn't do your homework if you accused Net Applications of relying on IP address counting. Net Applications has more than 3 million paying customers who trust the data collected. To me, that counts more than one junior netizen saying that their statistics are "just another kind of cr@p".

I know who net Applications are and what they do, is also why I know that its not accpetable as an argumentative source. While they may be better than some, its not properly representative of the whole. It would be more acceptable if you said, the percentage of people that use XY OS visit sites that use net applications' services.

The foundation course I did (Because I missed out on Uni entrance by one credit... sucks) one paper was called Introduction to Study skills. Where they basoically taught us how to write essays, learn proper APA referencing, how to go about finding getting your own statistics (your own surveys etc) and all sorts of other useful stuff like library and database systems.

Just becasue steve jobs uses something doesent make it gold.

I would actually be inclined to use something more widespread and repersentative of the entire computer industry like say, statistics from Search Engines. (If they would actually release them) Because everybody uses a search engine, but not every website host or designer uses net applications.

 

[wovel]

I know who net Applications are and what they do, is also why I know that its not accpetable as an argumentative source. While they may be better than some, its not properly representative of the whole. It would be more acceptable if you said, the percentage of people that use XY OS visit sites that use net applications' services.

The foundation course I did (Because I missed out on Uni entrance by one credit... sucks) one paper was called Introduction to Study skills. Where they basoically taught us how to write essays, learn proper APA referencing, how to go about finding getting your own statistics (your own surveys etc) and all sorts of other useful stuff like library and database systems.

Just becasue steve jobs uses something doesent make it gold.

I would actually be inclined to use something more widespread and repersentative of the entire computer industry like say, statistics from Search Engines. (If they would actually release them) Because everybody uses a search engine, but not every website host or designer uses net applications.

Your inclination would be wrong. Not everybody uses a search engine and we don't need everyone. The net applications data is not a statistical sample, it is a cenus of users visiting net applications sites. How this subgroup relates to the actual population depends on a lot of things and it can not be simply discounted,

Search engine choice is actually something the user controls directly and could just as easily influence the relationship to the population as a whole as a webmaster choosing net applications. In fact using census data from 1 search engine would likely be less reliable than the net applications approach.

The data is very valuable and tells us a lot. It is very useful information from a business perspective. Not everything in the world has to meet the rigors of Academic Research to be valuable information. In the real world, people make decisions by assigning subjective values to all of their information sources, integrating the information and forming an opinion. (Informally). While business people often have to defend their opinions, the standards and methodologies are much different.

The good news is , it sounds like you took a class most people would hate and got something useful out of it. You should always be skeptical of statistical data. Your skepticism may cause you to dismiss it for academic purposes and give it the appropriate weight for a business decision.

 

[AidenShaw]

I know who net Applications are and what they do...

But your earlier argument was different:

Just an FYI:

They are determining unique iPads by IP address.

Oops.

Yet its perfectly acceptable for something like browser marketshare and OS marketshare?

Oops!

You slammed my comment by implying that Net Applications was also doing IP counting.

If you knew that in fact Net Applications was doing something much more intelligent than IP counting, you were being dishonest. If you've just learned that Net Applications has a better method, you should disavow your earlier claim and explain why Net Applications methodology is not good. (If it's much better than the Ipad stats, but not perfect, that must be acknowledged.)

It's minor, and not worth 10 pages of replies, but your post 9599977 was a cheap shot against my argument - and one that's clearly destroyed by the facts. Show that Net Application's methodology is worse than IP counting, or simply say that you were wrong. A doctoral level thesis on statistical analysis of internet traffic will not change the fact that post 9599977 was wrong.

(Life hint: I trust people who occasionally say that they are wrong. I don't trust people who always claim to be right. You will get more respect by saying "I was wrong when I said 'X'" than by obfuscating the argument.)

 

[RawBert]

IN YOUR FACE, iPad haters! Ha Ha!

*dances around - laughing maniacally*

 

[MorphingDragon]

Your inclination would be wrong. Not everybody uses a search engine and we don't need everyone. The net applications data is not a statistical sample, it is a cenus of users visiting net applications sites. How this subgroup relates to the actual population depends on a lot of things and it can not be simply discounted,

Censii (es ) aren't a statistical sample, but they are still stats that don't cover as much as possible.

I would like to know who uses the internet and also never uses a search engine? (Excluding Intranets)

Search engine choice is actually something the user controls directly and could just as easily influence the relationship to the population as a whole as a webmaster choosing net applications. In fact using census data from 1 search engine would likely be less reliable than the net applications approach.

Thats why you would take stats from say the 5 biggest, (Google, Yahoo, Bing, Ask, AltaVista) use the method of averaging percentages, and give an error range from the midrange. (You could use standard deviation if you really wanted as well)

The data is very valuable and tells us a lot. It is very useful information from a business perspective. Not everything in the world has to meet the rigors of Academic Research to be valuable information. In the real world, people make decisions by assigning subjective values to all of their information sources, integrating the information and forming an opinion. (Informally). While business people often have to defend their opinions, the standards and methodologies are much different.

It is useful data, but if you are using it to argue empiricals it falls flat on its face because empirical applies to everything 'physical'.

 

[MorphingDragon]

But your earlier argument was different:



You slammed my comment by implying that Net Applications was also doing IP counting.

If you knew that in fact Net Applications was doing something much more intelligent than IP counting, you were being dishonest. If you've just learned that Net Applications has a better method, you should disavow your earlier claim and explain why Net Applications methodology is not good. (If it's much better than the Ipad stats, but not perfect, that must be acknowledged.)

It's minor, and not worth 10 pages of replies, but your post 9599977 was a cheap shot against my argument - and one that's clearly destroyed by the facts. Show that Net Application's methodology is worse than IP counting, or simply say that you were wrong. A doctoral level thesis on statistical analysis of internet traffic will not change the fact that post 9599977 was wrong.

(Life hint: I trust people who occasionally say that they are wrong. I don't trust people who always claim to be right. You will get more respect by saying "I was wrong when I said 'X'" than by obfuscating the argument.)

That comment was only meant to push your buttons.

I never said Net Applications method was worse than IP counting (Obviously) though, just that Net Applications is just another form of misrepresentation due to its unknown spread. I would say that its error range is within 10-30% though.

 

[AidenShaw]

No, its just fun pushing your buttons.

I never said Net Applications method was worse than IP counting (Obviously) , just that Net Applications is just another form of misrepresentation due to its unknown spread. I would say that its error range is within 10-30% though.

I'm sorry, but I cannot reconcile your claim with this post:

Just an FYI:

They are determining unique iPads by IP address.

Oops.

Yet its perfectly acceptable for something like browser marketshare and OS marketshare?

Oops!

What part of "Oops!" maps to "I never said Net Applications method was worse"?

You clearly slammed Net Applications by implying that they do simplistic IP address counting.

Simply admit that you were wrong in post 9599977, and let's move on.

 

[MorphingDragon]

I'm sorry, but I cannot reconcile your claim with this post:

What part of "Oops!" maps to "I never said Net Applications method was worse"?

You clearly slammed Net Applications by implying that they do simplistic IP address counting.

Simply admit that you were wrong in post 9599977, and let's move on.

Oops, could easily of ommited whatever I wanted it too.

Of course those ommisions come from my mind, so Im sorry if I gave you the wrong idea.

 

[kazmac]

They're on the verge of selling out at the 5th Avenue Apple store in NYC. I was there earlier tonight and there were at least 50 people in line waiting to buy one. And at least that many people surrounding the tables where they were set up. So the sales numbers don't surprise.

I played with an iPad tonight and decided against. It might be a great item for mom if she ever wants to get email-saavy, but not robust enough for me. I'll eventually buy a Macbook or maybe MBP if I want a larger portable beyond my iPhone.

 

[AidenShaw]

Oops, could easily of ommited whatever I wanted it too.

Of course those ommisions come from my mind, so Im sorry if I gave you the wrong idea.

Oops. For some time I respected your posts, even when I disagreed.

Lately though, your arguments don't make much sense, and your posts are full of so many spelling and syntax errors that they can be hard to understand.

This post is a prime example - I don't know what to make of it.