iPad Upgrade Now or only with Pencil and 3D Touch ?

[mrklaw]

Only if someone can throw light on, between a Pencil and 3D Touch what is more useful from a usability stand point, will I be able to decide what to let go and what to keep ! And that will help me decide better !

You probably won't get a choice which to let go.

If the iPad Air 3 has pencil support and no 3D Touch then you can choose to buy it and not get 3D Touch. But you can't choose not to get pencil support because it's already there

I think if you're looking for consensus then even in this thread people are saying buy the new one in a couple of weeks. Not because 3D Touch is a waste of time, but because the new iPad will be a huge leap over your current one and will easily last you 2-3 years.

So what if 3D Touch comes out in 12 months? So will features X/y/z that you don't even know about - there is always something better around the corner

I personally don't buy into the hype around 3D Touch being a game changer like multitouch was. That is hyperbole from Apple and simply ridiculous. It is a nice feature that lets you do some things a bit quicker. But it is nowhere near the paradigm shift that multitouch brought.

 

[lagwagon]

You probably won't get a choice which to let go.

If the iPad Air 3 has pencil support and no 3D Touch then you can choose to buy it and not get 3D Touch. But you can't choose not to get pencil support because it's already there

I think if you're looking for consensus then even in this thread people are saying buy the new one in a couple of weeks. Not because 3D Touch is a waste of time, but because the new iPad will be a huge leap over your current one and will easily last you 2-3 years.

So what if 3D Touch comes out in 12 months? So will features X/y/z that you don't even know about - there is always something better around the corner

I personally don't buy into the hype around 3D Touch being a game changer like multitouch was. That is hyperbole from Apple and simply ridiculous. It is a nice feature that lets you do some things a bit quicker. But it is nowhere near the paradigm shift that multitouch brought.

I will say one thing about 3D Touch that can make it really big game changer down the road.

It could be the first piece of the puzzle and one step closer to removing the physical Home button.

They have patents and have been known to be working on incorporating both the Home button and Touch ID right into the display. 3D Touch gives you that button experience of having to actually press in to "replicate" a button.

It's something they said in interviews that they worked on 3D Touch for nearly 5 years before we got to what's in the 6s.

They wouldn't spend that long developing a new way of interacting with the screen just for some shortcuts. I believe they have future plans cooking and always had them when they released it (like I mention above.) Shortcuts is what we get in the meantime, because it is still something new and unique to enjoy and also to get it the technology out there.

If it wasn't for some huge grand scheme plan for removing the Home button. Then I'm sure they have some other plans and new ways to use it in the works.

 

[Night Spring]

Well, they have a lot more work to do before 3D Touch can come anywhere close to replacing the Home button.

Right now, 3D Touch is very problematic for anyone with any kind of mobility impairment. It is not so easy to correctly invoke 3D Touch, and it easily gets confused with long press, because when you have less than perfect muscle control, you can't always control the amount of pressure you exert. So you try to do long press and end up doing 3D Touch, and vice versa.

Also, 3D Touch isn't discoverable. Home button is always there. It's easy to tell people, if you get lost, just push this big round button. It's not so easy to say, just press down somewhere on the screen. Especially since you can't just press anywhere, because if you press on a part of the screen that has an interactive element, you'll invoke some action other than going back to the home screen.

I know people want the home button to go away because that would decrease overall device size, but sometimes there is no good substitute for having a physical switch.
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Yes but there is something which is called as common public opinion. Which is like agreed by everyone. So what is that consensus, I am asking about that.

The consensus is, it varies from person to person, so there can't be a consensus. How many people have to tell you that before you realize that that IS the consensus?

For me, neither 3D Touch nor Pencil is useful, and I bought the iPad Pro just for the bigger screen.

My Mom likes the Pencil, but she hasn't even heard of 3D Touch, and probably won't use it even if iPads had it.

Other people would have other opinions. If you want to get a sense of which opinion is the majority, maybe you could start a poll.

 

[augustya]

Yes I mean I haven't played around too much with 3D Touch to say and confidently put forward that it is a useful thing and if it always performs impeccably ! As @Night Spring is saying 3D Touch is not perfect. I tried it a couple of time at the Apple store and thought was nice small innovation that Apple always has up its sleeve to look different from others.
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If you want to get a sense of which opinion is the majority, maybe you could start a poll.

Yeah Maybe that sounds interesting ! lol !

 

[lagwagon]

Well, they have a lot more work to do before 3D Touch can come anywhere close to replacing the Home button.

Right now, 3D Touch is very problematic for anyone with any kind of mobility impairment. It is not so easy to correctly invoke 3D Touch, and it easily gets confused with long press, because when you have less than perfect muscle control, you can't always control the amount of pressure you exert. So you try to do long press and end up doing 3D Touch, and vice versa.

Also, 3D Touch isn't discoverable. Home button is always there. It's easy to tell people, if you get lost, just push this big round button. It's not so easy to say, just press down somewhere on the screen. Especially since you can't just press anywhere, because if you press on a part of the screen that has an interactive element, you'll invoke some action other than going back to the home screen.

I know people want the home button to go away because that would decrease overall device size, but sometimes there is no good substitute for having a physical switch.

I would assume a 3D Touch home button would be in the same spot, even if it eventually got integrated into the screen. The screen would extend down and all around the "button" and it wouldn't be a physical, clicky button.

It's not only people, Apple is also been exploring it. Their patents are recent. They were awarded just last month. The patents claim quite a few features and changes to the button.

http://www.techinsider.io/apple-patent-ditches-iphone-home-button-2016-2

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/apple-patent-3d-touch-home-button/

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/02/04/will-iphone-7-have-3d-touch-in-home-button/

 

[sracer]

Yes but there is something which is called as common public opinion. Which is like agreed by everyone. So what is that consensus, I am asking about that.

 

[augustya]

I don't think we will see Pencil Support in iPad Air-3

 

[Zimmy68]

I don't think we will see Pencil Support in iPad Air-3

Wow, if you think there will be no pencil support in the iPad Pro 9" model that is going to be announced next week, well, would you like to wager on that?

I thought that was common knowledge by now.

3D Touch on iPads, on the other hand, is a ways off.

 

[stevemiller]

I don't think we will see Pencil Support in iPad Air-3

Have you been following *any* news about the upcoming iPad?

No?

Ok good... It's rumoured to be 3 times faster than the last iPad, but 4 times slower than the next iPad to follow it. At purchase time you will be given the choice of a 3D Touch screen and a 4K screen, but you can only choose one of them. They will bundle it with Apple pencil, but only if the lay man consensus poll says so.

Discuss.

 

[sracer]

Wow, if you think there will be no pencil support in the iPad Pro 9" model that is going to be announced next week, well, would you like to wager on that?

I thought that was common knowledge by now.

3D Touch on iPads, on the other hand, is a ways off.

Repeated rumors do NOT equal "common knowledge".

Having said that, I believe that the iPad Air 3 (or iPad Pro Mini) will support the Pencil. This belief is based partly on rumors, but mostly on what I think about where Apple is taking the iPads. Expanding support for the Pencil simply makes sense to me. (but makes no sense to those who shelled out for an iPad Pro + Pencil)

 

[augustya]

Have you been following *any* news about the upcoming iPad?

No?

Ok good... It's rumoured to be 3 times faster than the last iPad, but 4 times slower than the next iPad to follow it. At purchase time you will be given the choice of a 3D Touch screen and a 4K screen, but you can only choose one of them. They will bundle it with Apple pencil, but only if the lay man consensus poll says so.

Discuss.

Ha...Ha....Ha ! That made me chuckle
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I thought that was common knowledge by now.

Common knowledge is that there will be an iPad Air-3 this month end. It is not common knowledge that Pencil Support would be part of it !

 

[Night Spring]

I would assume a 3D Touch home button would be in the same spot, even if it eventually got integrated into the screen. The screen would extend down and all around the "button" and it wouldn't be a physical, clicky button.

It's not only people, Apple is also been exploring it. Their patents are recent. They were awarded just last month. The patents claim quite a few features and changes to the button.

http://www.techinsider.io/apple-patent-ditches-iphone-home-button-2016-2

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/apple-patent-3d-touch-home-button/

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/02/04/will-iphone-7-have-3d-touch-in-home-button/

If there is a "Home spot" on the screen that is reserved for the home button function, that spot can't be used for any other purpose, therefore you haven't saved on overall device size.

Patent filings are interesting glimpses into what Apple may be working on, but the majority of technology that appears in patent filings don't make it into actual products. When is the last time we learned about an actual new feature through a patent filing? I can't remember any.

 

[Zimmy68]

Ha...Ha....Ha ! That made me chuckle
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Common knowledge is that there will be an iPad Air-3 this month end. It is not common knowledge that Pencil Support would be part of it !

Umm, common knowledge was that they ditched the "Air" name weeks ago and will be going with the Pro.
You really never heard that?
Really???

Try taking a break from MacRumors forums and try out the actual MacRumors site.
You may learn a thing or two.

For fun, here is a 6 day old article on 9to5 Mac. Enjoy!

http://9to5mac.com/2016/02/29/9-7-inch-ipad-pro-camera-specs-may-beat-12-9-model/

 

[augustya]

Umm, common knowledge was that they ditched the "Air" name weeks ago and will be going with the Pro.
You really never heard that?
Really???

Try taking a break from MacRumors forums and try out the actual MacRumors site.
You may learn a thing or two.

For fun, here is a 6 day old article on 9to5 Mac. Enjoy!

http://9to5mac.com/2016/02/29/9-7-inch-ipad-pro-camera-specs-may-beat-12-9-model/

The way You are saying It will be called for sure pro is as if you were the person officially from Apple announcing it ! Pro or Air-3 it is all under the covers yet, and everybody is just speculating their own thing ! Even if macrumours is saying you cannot rely them !

 

[stevemiller]

i don't know about others, but i'm just here out of fascination at this point.

so let's hear it! will the unannounced upcoming iPad definitely fit the OP's needs for the next three years? please only facts about the rumoured product, no rumours. the iPad should also ideally not lack any features that will come out in the next few years. go!

 

[Zimmy68]

The way You are saying It will be called for sure pro is as if you were the person officially from Apple announcing it ! Pro or Air-3 it is all under the covers yet, and everybody is just speculating their own thing ! Even if macrumours is saying you cannot rely them !

Yep, you can't rely on any rumors at this point.
In fact I heard a rumor that the event isn't about the iPhone SE or iPad Air/Pro
It's about the Mac Book Pro!

Never believe a thing that you read, right?

 

[aces99]

I don't think we will see Pencil Support in iPad Air-3

I think we will see pencil support in the iPad Air 3/Pro. I doubt we will see 3D Touch on the other hand and probably won't for awhile.

 

[Bentron]

Just another thought for the OP, the Apple Pencil is a relatively expensive accessory. Maybe just wait and see if it appeals when/if it is announced for iPad air 3/9.7 pro. As for 3D touch, I have it on my 6S+, it's nice but nothing major right now.

 

[lagwagon]

If there is a "Home spot" on the screen that is reserved for the home button function, that spot can't be used for any other purpose, therefore you haven't saved on overall device size.

Patent filings are interesting glimpses into what Apple may be working on, but the majority of technology that appears in patent filings don't make it into actual products. When is the last time we learned about an actual new feature through a patent filing? I can't remember any.

There are Android phones don't have a physical home button anymore, it's just an on screen button you just tap. So it's not unheard of to not have a physical Home button. If Apple actually acts on those patents, then they would drastically improved on how Android has done it and reduce the overall size footprint the iPhone has (bottom "chin" bezel can be reduced, thus allowing to reduce the top as well since it's mostly that size only to be symmetrical to the bottom.)

 

[Night Spring]

There are Android phones don't have a physical home button anymore, it's just an on screen button you just tap.

I've seen those, and the on-screen home button is permanently on screen. Meaning it's taking up space on screen rather than on the bezel, but in order to accommodate the home button, the screen has to get larger or the amount of displayed content has to shrink.

If Apple actually acts on those patents, then they would drastically improved on how Android has done it and reduce the overall size footprint the iPhone has (bottom "chin" bezel can be reduced, thus allowing to reduce the top as well since it's mostly that size only to be symmetrical to the bottom.)

From what I can tell, that patent adds 3D Touch to the home button, not incorporate it as part of the screen. I'm not sure we can conclude that implementing this patent will reduce the size of the bezel.

 

[lagwagon]

From what I can tell, that patent adds 3D Touch to the home button, not incorporate it as part of the screen. I'm not sure we can conclude that implementing this patent will reduce the size of the bezel.

Which removes the actual physical clicking of the button. Which then can mean it doesn't have to be its own separate thing sitting in the bezel. Often things are done in steps and not all at once.

- Step 1: Create 3D Touch technology
- Step 2: Add 3D Touch to the Home button, removing the moving parts of a physical button
- Step 3: Move the Home button into the screen, reducing the bezel size
- Step 4?: Make the new smaller bezel the Touch ID area (making the sensors for fingerprint a part of the bezel itself)

All speculation of what "could" happen. I'm no way saying "this is what they are/will do"

 

[augustya]

How much time you guys think before Apple let goes the Home Button on the iPad ?

 

[aces99]

How much time you guys think before Apple let goes the Home Button on the iPad ?

Years.

 

[lagwagon]

How much time you guys think before Apple let goes the Home Button on the iPad ?

If and only if Apple actually does get rid of it at some point for the iPhone in the next 2-5 years. It would probably come to an iPad 1-2 years after iPhone. iPads usually tend to not get some new iPhone hardware features until a year or more later.

 

[augustya]

So 2 years for iPhone and another-2 Years after that for the iPad. So in all 4 Years ! Phew ! Samsung has already making Home Button free TABS !
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iPads usually tend to not get some new iPhone hardware features until a year or more later.

But giving Apple Pencil to iPad Pro was a new technical invention that Apple for the first time brought on the iPad in this case where is the question of the iPhone having it ?