I does seem weird to have to say this, but I also expect iPads to continue running iPadOS and for MacOS to run on Macs.
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iPadOS 16 Includes Internal Mode for Testing Stage Manager on Older iPads
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a12z is inside the apple's mac mini dev devices and while demoing they loaded a complex scene in maya and runs xcode etc and they say it cant do puny multi-tasking. Total lies, pure BS.
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And that had 16GB of RAM as well. Besides RAM the iPad Mini 6 just has over 3x more operations per second via A15 than A12Z and that I believe is a requirement for this feature
still makes no sense, considering Computers have done this with less than 2gb ram with RasberiPi. the iPad can don infinitely more complex things in a fraction of a second, display complicated 3D games without breaking a sweat, it spanks the last intel macs. But it croaks on multiple windows?
I think it’s more to do with the design of the chips not having these kind of operations in mind, whereas the m1 does more so. Not to mention iPadOS works in almost the opposite way to macos, preferring sandboxes over free-for-all. The implementation they have used likely requires more resources than what may be considered standard. Not to mention the ‘instant’ expectation of an iPad over the mac. the is not concept of waiting for even a split second on the iPad, whereas it’s inherent on a traditional system. Beach balls exist for this very reason.
May be Tim Apple set the standard to run multiple all top most demanding 3D games all at once and he calls it "minimum requirement to run Stage Manager" lol xd
They are selling macbook air with 8gb with multi tasking and that will be getting that mainstage feature. If you look at the feature, think, what about it is so power hungry that it cant be implemented.
I think in 2001 i using dual monitor as intern . It is intel p3 p4more superior. Hmm
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I’m one of those users that bought into the Post PC era in deeper ways than it is today. We are indeed in the Post PC space, but is shaped differently that initially I thought it would.
Steve Jobs equated PCs as trucks ... In a interview he said that what would happen is what happened with motor vehicles. In an agrarian world most vehicles were Trucks ... that was the very most useful use for a motor vehicle ... in time ... well most vehicles are now Cars and Trucks became way specific. So much so he thought that one in 10 would need a laptop or desktop ... in the near future.
But the fact is that today still, laptop and desktops aren't really that specific. They are being bought more than ever. Very specific use case devices are actually still ... the iPads. Not only that, Apple itself with the M line took these supposed "Trucks" into the modern "Cars".
The iPad Pro value proposition is just way to high for me to be just a Side-Car. What is left really is that the Mini LED is the core Pro feature .. go figure. Imagine LG saying LG Pro ... for OLED TVs ... silly ... just silly.
PS: I still agree with Steve Jobs. PCs, desktop and laptops, aren't supposed to be the Cars of the future ... but the fact is that iPad OS in my humble opinion is a mess. Apple has been stalling on solving the same challenges solved by macOS yet in a different way. Nothing wrong with that ... the problem is that is less effective than macOS ... so much so that what is left as significant is Pen and Touch support. It's just silly!!!!
Steve Jobs equated PCs as trucks ... In a interview he said that what would happen is what happened with motor vehicles. In an agrarian world most vehicles were Trucks ... that was the very most useful use for a motor vehicle ... in time ... well most vehicles are now Cars and Trucks became way specific. So much so he thought that one in 10 would need a laptop or desktop ... in the near future.
But the fact is that today still, laptop and desktops aren't really that specific. They are being bought more than ever. Very specific use case devices are actually still ... the iPads. Not only that, Apple itself with the M line took these supposed "Trucks" into the modern "Cars".
The iPad Pro value proposition is just way to high for me to be just a Side-Car. What is left really is that the Mini LED is the core Pro feature .. go figure. Imagine LG saying LG Pro ... for OLED TVs ... silly ... just silly.
PS: I still agree with Steve Jobs. PCs, desktop and laptops, aren't supposed to be the Cars of the future ... but the fact is that iPad OS in my humble opinion is a mess. Apple has been stalling on solving the same challenges solved by macOS yet in a different way. Nothing wrong with that ... the problem is that is less effective than macOS ... so much so that what is left as significant is Pen and Touch support. It's just silly!!!!
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why even need one in macos . the only worth value stage manager is full screen external monitor . just that.
Well we had the Mac mini with a12 chips running just fine on a crude version on macOS.
We will see with the tests, but I would be surprised at all considering past functionality blamed on “too old to work” excuses have worked exactly the same
Would have really liked to have stage manager on the previous gen iPad Pro. Too bad it is missing out.
If you’re so smart, why don’t you know the difference between multitasking on macOS and iPadOS?
if you said that to me, considering I have never owned a Mac in my life I’d definitively wouldn’t know, though for iPads app reloading during multitasking is a pain don’t know for macOS😊
Plus potentially a whole extra bunch of chips we know nothing about in the system, on an operating system which fundamentally allows multitasking an a way that iPadOS just doesn’t.
I’m just saying, it’s clearly not as simple as just extra ram and very fast io. The chip itself helps. They never suggested it couldnt work in A -series, just they didn’t think it was optimal.
Yeah there is going to be an era of experimentation in tablet OSes as everyone tries to find the right balance. MacOS isn’t the right answer for a tablet. iPadOS has been good for what most people do with one (didn’t Jobs start from the opinion that tablets were only useful to people who want to surf the web from the toilet?), but perhaps not ready for what people think they want to do with one.
And then there’s the fact that most people are probably misguided about what they want and how to best achieve it. New technology means new workflows, which suggests all the demands for MacOS on iPad are almost certainly wrong.
To take your analogy a bit further though, there are a lot of people, certainly in the US, who have no actual need for a Truck but insist on getting one anyway. 80% of the US population is urban, and the top 6 selling vehicles are some form of truck. They don’t need 4 wheel drive to carry groceries or a raised suspension to pick the kids up from school or commute to the office, but they imagine themselves different than they are. The Truck symbolizes who they think they are or want to be, not what they need.
This isn’t only true for vehicles, but any consumer product. You’d expect it to be the same with computers too.
Macs don’t kill background apps the way iOS devices do, so you hit the nail on the head.
Macs do have spinning beach balls and icons bouncing in the dock when you launch an app, which don’t happen on iPads. These system UI elements on the iPad don’t exist since everything is expected to happen instantly.
So the dev kit multitasking macOS could actually be slower than one running iPadOS.
I agree with new technology there is an opportunity to implement better workflows. If the workflows are not better, just the same if not worst … there is little point to it. Worst it’s a cost waste for the user at many levels … not just the cost of the device.
My experience of over a year of using the iPad Pro for mobile computing and an iMac workstation for stationary is that the iPad Pro is not in my context ready to fit this role if not in very specific cases where touch and the stylus offers an interaction advantage … that is enticing. Yet for the rest, which is quite a lot when it comes to actually doing stuff, there is no point in changing workflows if they are less efficient … changing a workflow is not itself the goal … it needs to be better.
There is still a long way to go … at this pace probably more 20 years or so iPad OS will be robust to take on this shoe. 12 years after the original iPad … Apple is finally addressing multiple windows in a way that is more human … with an experiment.
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everyth of importance is on the SOC.
a12z + ram+ storage= the brains of every calculation the os does.
it will be interesting to se as the evidence points to there should be about zero difference.
if a12z can run macOS perfectly and a hundred individual windows then it can also run a crippled version of it with barely 10 windows
I regret I fell for apples post pc ******** and bought the 2020 iPad Pro. Instead of a cheaper MacBook Air and doing billions of more things such as a simple thing to store and edit my GoPro videos or store my iPhone pictures after a tripp
But iPadOS killing background apps largely have to do with how much RAM the system has especially the older DDR3 and I think eMMC like Air 2 and Mini 4, which is why thank god for 8 and 16GB M1 iPad Pro
And who knows imagine if Apple puts a M2 Pro chip in the iPad Pro ( anything pro must stick to the iPad Pro😁) .. no more background killing apps
I find it fascinating how suddenly iOS became a bloated os acting like the memory hog chrom, where more ram suddenly was important and iOS magical ability to need less ram xD