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I find it fascinating how suddenly iOS became a bloated os acting like the memory hog chrom, where more ram suddenly was important and iOS magical ability to need less ram xD

Certain versions do exhibit an increase in memory usage, though. Usually odd number releases: iOS 9, 11, 13, 15.
 
I agree with new technology there is an opportunity to implement better workflows. If the workflows are not better, just the same if not worst … there is little point to it. Worst it’s a cost waste for the user at many levels … not just the cost of the device.

My experience of over a year of using the iPad Pro for mobile computing and an iMac workstation for stationary is that the iPad Pro is not in my context ready to fit this role if not in very specific cases where touch and the stylus offers an interaction advantage … that is enticing. Yet for the rest, which is quite a lot when it comes to actually doing stuff, there is no point in changing workflows if they are less efficient … changing a workflow is not itself the goal … it needs to be better.

There is still a long way to go … at this pace probably more 20 years or so iPad OS will be robust to take on this shoe. 12 years after the original iPad … Apple is finally addressing multiple windows in a way that is more human … with an experiment.

I think it’s misguided to think your iPad is going to be better at everything your desktop does and more. I mean, how’s your iMac for watching movies on a plane? There are a lot of things the iPad is very very good at.

When I travel, I carry my 12.9” iPP and a 16” MBP. Two portable devices sounds redundant. The MBP, for example, is lousy for reading books or marking up documents in the hotel restaurant. It’s too big to use on an airplane tray table. It’s not even great for code development because of the screen real estate. The iPP is just plain bad for code development, it’s not great for heavy computation loads, and without a Magic Keyboard it’s a challenge for extensive text entry.

Together, it’s a great combination— including much better as a portable code development platform because of SideCar.
 
I think it’s misguided to think your iPad is going to be better at everything your desktop does and more.
Yes. But it should be equivalent if not better in relatively lightweight workloads. Due to iOS workings ... is not. The experience is actually more convoluted in many aspects ... and lacking in others.

As a consumption and doodling device is excellent. But that is where the ball stops as far as excellency goes in my experience.

When I travel, I carry my 12.9” iPP and a 16” MBP. Two portable devices sounds redundant.

In the Post PC era it should be as redundant as needing to take a Car and Truck just to travel. The design problem of the iPad OS today is as such as most of the times the it comes to creation is not. The laptop is better.

I agree with Steve Jobs that most people need a Car ... not a truck, ... yet right now its seams that Trucks (laptops) are needed much more than Cars (tablets) by people at an existential level. This is a software design challenge not a hardware one considering that the iPad M1 is very well equipped to handle the workload as we can see with MBA M1.

Meaning, it should be at least do the work of an MBA as well if not better given the added touch and stylus facilities. But it does not.

To tackle this Apple is bringing Stage Manager and external monitor support. But the thing progressing like a snail ... dragging their feet.

For year I tried to keep my Truck in the Office (iMac Core i9 maxed) and travel around with the Car (iPad Pro 12.9" 2019), precisely because I don't expect it to replace my desktop. You see, I don't expect the Car to replace the Truck yet I expect to have a good Car experience ... and I did not. And now with Macbook equipped with ARM ... offering iPad like snappy experiences on an laptop .. the Truck hardware as evolved greatly yet the Car stood still.

When it comes to use the Magic Keyboard and a Mouse to create a relatively long report in Pages, a end to end presentation in Keynote ... even email ... the all experience starts fall very short. It actually in moments it feels comparatively a hack ... no better than usable.

So ... my next iPad will probably be an iPad Mini "M1" ... with no Magic Keyboard. Pair it with an MBA M2 ... and get Studio M3 Max if not M3 Pro in the desk. This because I believe that the iPad OS challenges will no the solved by Stage Manager alone and will take a long time for the rest to be ironed out if ever to make it a proper Car. For consumption, dodging and photos editing do not need more than an iPad Air really.

The ridicule thing is that we arrive to a situation that the difference between and Air and a Pro is actually the display quality. Imagine LG coming branding OLED TV as TV Pro ... makes no sense. OLED / Microled is not a Pro feature ... its a consumer feature that some might pay extra for or not.

Cheers.
 
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N conspiracy neede. iMessage dont exist on android for purely economic reason.
Or, one could say Apple has a right to make what they want for what they want. They are not required to develop anything for any other platform. Just like games. It could be monetary in nature. But, if that was the only case. Apple "could" simply charge a .99 for the app. Or make it apart of a subscription to Apple Music or TV+.
Same with this, it’s just a want feature to entice a purchase of a new device. this happens every year. The latest iPhone/iPads gets a uneque selling feature the last generation won’t get.
Usually it's a hardware feature when it comes to iPhones/iPads. Better camera, mics/speakers, screen, lighter, faster, more battery life etc. When it comes to software, the hardware has to be there for it to work. Like I said. I'm sure they could make it work. Given enough time and effort. However, it works well on M1. And at least based on their statements. Does not work well on older A series chips. Maybe not enough GPU and memory and speed to do it right. Only they could answer this. But, if everything is always "they are lying and trying to squeeze another buck from the consumer". Well, then maybe it's time to give up on Apple and let them die.
 
Yes. But it should be equivalent if not better in relatively lightweight workloads. Due to iOS workings ... is not. The experience is actually more convoluted in many aspects ... and lacking in others.

As a consumption and doodling device is excellent. But that is where the ball stops as far as excellency goes in my experience.

Yes, it excels at different workflows than your iMac.

To say it should be better at light workloads but isn’t because of the OS is a bit vague. I have an excellent git manager on my iPad, a decent editor, and find the Juno experience for Jupyter notebooks to be fantastic. Since Python is single threaded, it runs faster on my iPad than my Intel Mac. It’s great for document markup, it’s decent for document creation, and it’s doing a damn fine job of letting me respond to you.

There are things the interface isn’t well suited to, that’s true, but again, you should expect devices aimed at different use cases to be strong in some and weaker in others because, you know, compromises need to be made.

In the Post PC era it should be as redundant as needing to take a Car and Truck just to travel. The design problem of the iPad OS today is as such as most of the times the it comes to creation is not. The laptop is better.

I agree with Steve Jobs that most people need a Car ... not a truck, ... yet right now its seams that Trucks (laptops) are needed much more than Cars (tablets) by people at an existential level.

Wait, I thought the desktop was the Truck. The laptop the Car. The tablet is a Dirtbike? I don’t need both to travel, I just need the car. The Dirtbike is good at certain things, and fun in the off time.

Or maybe the laptop is a motorcycle and the iPad is, I dunno, a Sidecar?

I kind of feel like just the name alone makes it clear how Apple sees the devices working together.
 
Or, one could say Apple has a right to make what they want for what they want. They are not required to develop anything for any other platform. Just like games. It could be monetary in nature. But, if that was the only case. Apple "could" simply charge a .99 for the app. Or make it apart of a subscription to Apple Music or TV+.
Indeed, but then they don’t need to make up excuses when they can say they just don’t want to as it earns them money
Usually it's a hardware feature when it comes to iPhones/iPads. Better camera, mics/speakers, screen, lighter, faster, more battery life etc. When it comes to software, the hardware has to be there for it to work. Like I said. I'm sure they could make it work.
Most of the times a handful of features are artificially limited as it makes more money.
Given enough time and effort. However, it works well on M1. And at least based on their statements. Does not work well on older A series chips. Maybe not enough GPU and memory and speed to do it right. Only they could answer this. But, if everything is always "they are lying and trying to squeeze another buck from the consumer". Well, then maybe it's time to give up on Apple and let them die.
Currently when you look at it on an objective technical basis, their excuse it doesn’t make sense on any level.

It’s about calling out their ********. And we can test it to verify their claims.
 
Yes, it excels at different workflows than your iMac.

To say it should be better at light workloads but isn’t because of the OS is a bit vague. I have an excellent git manager on my iPad, a decent editor, and find the Juno experience for Jupyter notebooks to be fantastic. Since Python is single threaded, it runs faster on my iPad than my Intel Mac. It’s great for document markup, it’s decent for document creation, and it’s doing a damn fine job of letting me respond to you.

There are things the interface isn’t well suited to, that’s true, but again, you should expect devices aimed at different use cases to be strong in some and weaker in others because, you know, compromises need to be made.



Wait, I thought the desktop was the Truck. The laptop the Car. The tablet is a Dirtbike? I don’t need both to travel, I just need the car. The Dirtbike is good at certain things, and fun in the off time.

Or maybe the laptop is a motorcycle and the iPad is, I dunno, a Sidecar?

I kind of feel like just the name alone makes it clear how Apple sees the devices working together.

I guess we have arrived to distinct conclusions. For me is a great tool for consumption and doodling whatever thoughts … from notes to photos. The rest feels hammered down to the iOS design language.

Time will tell how the thing will evolve. Until than I’m backtracking and let you guys go ahead with Jupiterisc solutions.

Cheers.

PS: It does not impress me that you are writing this post on the iPad Pro. Again … I’m on my third iPad Pro.
 
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Yes, it excels at different workflows than your iMac.

To say it should be better at light workloads but isn’t because of the OS is a bit vague. I have an excellent git manager on my iPad, a decent editor, and find the Juno experience for Jupyter notebooks to be fantastic. Since Python is single threaded, it runs faster on my iPad than my Intel Mac. It’s great for document markup, it’s decent for document creation, and it’s doing a damn fine job of letting me respond to you.

There are things the interface isn’t well suited to, that’s true, but again, you should expect devices aimed at different use cases to be strong in some and weaker in others because, you know, compromises need to be made.



Wait, I thought the desktop was the Truck. The laptop the Car. The tablet is a Dirtbike? I don’t need both to travel, I just need the car. The Dirtbike is good at certain things, and fun in the off time.

Or maybe the laptop is a motorcycle and the iPad is, I dunno, a Sidecar?

I kind of feel like just the name alone makes it clear how Apple sees the devices working together.
I guess we have arrived to distinct conclusions. For me is a great tool for consumption and doodling whatever thoughts … from notes to photos. The rest feels hammered down to the iOS design language.

Time will tell how the thing will evolve. Until than I’m backtracking and let you guys go ahead with Jupiterisc solutions.

Cheers.

PS: I does not impress me that you are writing this post on the iPad Pro. Again … I’m on my third iPad Pro.

Honestly isn’t the MacBook Air m1/m2 better than the iPad Pro in about every task?

The iPad Pro is better at drawing and constructing fast CAD on workplaces perhaps as they take less space, but that could be done with iPhones as well…. So???

And today the iPad Pro is way more expensive compared to a MacBook Air or pro
 
Honestly isn’t the MacBook Air m1/m2 better than the iPad Pro in about every task?

The iPad Pro is better at drawing and constructing fast CAD on workplaces perhaps as they take less space, but that could be done with iPhones as well…. So???

And today the iPad Pro is way more expensive compared to a MacBook Air or pro
If you read my earlier post, the MBA wouldn’t fill the role of the iPP as I use it.
 
If you read my earlier post, the MBA wouldn’t fill the role of the iPP as I use it.
Well I did. But you referencing to an intel Mac. And the current ones have the same M1.

But I did say some seem to be good.
I have use of an iPad Pro on my workplace as a LiDAR to make CADs on my workplace house renovations even if it’s just 95%+ accurate. But it can as easily be done with my phone as well.
 
Well I did. But you referencing to an intel Mac. And the current ones have the same M1.

But I did say some seem to be good.
I have use of an iPad Pro on my workplace as a LiDAR to make CADs on my workplace house renovations even if it’s just 95%+ accurate. But it can as easily be done with my phone as well.
No, I meant this one:

I think it’s misguided to think your iPad is going to be better at everything your desktop does and more. I mean, how’s your iMac for watching movies on a plane? There are a lot of things the iPad is very very good at.

When I travel, I carry my 12.9” iPP and a 16” MBP. Two portable devices sounds redundant. The MBP, for example, is lousy for reading books or marking up documents in the hotel restaurant. It’s too big to use on an airplane tray table. It’s not even great for code development because of the screen real estate. The iPP is just plain bad for code development, it’s not great for heavy computation loads, and without a Magic Keyboard it’s a challenge for extensive text entry.

Together, it’s a great combination— including much better as a portable code development platform because of SideCar.
 
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Well we had the Mac mini with a12 chips running just fine on a crude version on macOS.
We no more had an A12 running macOS than we did an intel Pentium 4 running macOS. They are Development computers. Test machines. I'm sure they worked well enough for there intended purpose.
We will see with the tests, but I would be surprised at all considering past functionality blamed on “too old to work” excuses have worked exactly the same

I don't think there is anything stopping it from "working". I do think it will not work as well.
You can skip to the CPU benching comparisons to save time.
 
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Honestly isn’t the MacBook Air m1/m2 better than the iPad Pro in about every task?

It is not. But it just needs to be better in most tasks .. which currently still his. The iPad OS wins in very specific use cases around touch and pencil … unless you are a graphic designer, for productivity on the go it’s a nice to have. For that matter an iPad Air to Mini does the job.

The iPad Pro is a better companion product to an existing Apple laptop while the MBA is a full blown standalone product highly evolved that pairs with your iPhone as well. The second is arguably also a better companion to a desktop Mac when out and about in my experience … while in the desk the iPad Pro is a better companion

So if you need to choose between the iPad Pro and any other laptop Mac for your daily mobile computing the second it’s still the goto solution for light weight personal computing. It covers extremely better the largest surface of necessities. Of course if you already have a laptop than the discussion is mute … if you have the money go for it … you will not regret it.

The full iPad Pro to that aim has still a long way to go to be a non compromise stand alone product when compared to a laptop iwith the added fact that is considerably more expensive.

The next iPad I’ll buy will probably be a Air or Mini. Mind you … only when my iPad Pro 12.5” 2019 runs out of gas. Stage Manager does not make the iPad Pro M1 a better companion for me … maybe a slightly better standalone experience than the last iPad OS … but it looks like an experiment … will see. When out and about I have little need to connect it to external monitor. I would find it more compelling the ability to seamlessly remote back to my Mac desktop … and have both remote macOS Apps side by side with local iPad OS apps … but Apple does not seam to be looking at this use case.
 
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Time to drop the iPad Pro and create the MacBook Touch.
iPad OS may truly be the next MacOS at some point. They keep enhancing it to that point. Then Apple will further extend the closed ecosystem. More secure, simple, and decades of development before going all out in the big league.

Not a bad strategy, but needs 95-99% functionality of most Mac users. Getting closer as the Mac will now run those apps and perhaps hoping the universal app approach gains more momentum.
 
It is not. But it just needs to be better in most tasks .. which currently still his. The iPad OS wins in very specific use cases around touch and pencil … unless you are a graphic designer, for productivity on the go it’s a nice to have. For that matter an iPad Air to Mini does the job.

The iPad Pro is a better companion product to an existing Apple laptop while the MBA is a full blown standalone product highly evolved that pairs with your iPhone as well. The second is arguably also a better companion to a desktop Mac when out and about in my experience … while in the desk the iPad Pro is a better companion

So if you need to choose between the iPad Pro and any other laptop Mac for your daily mobile computing the second it’s still the goto solution for light weight personal computing. It covers extremely better the largest surface of necessities. Of course if you already have a laptop than the discussion is mute … if you have the money go for it … you will not regret it.

The full iPad Pro to that aim has still a long way to go to be a non compromise stand alone product when compared to a laptop iwith the added fact that is considerably more expensive.

The next iPad I’ll buy will probably be a Air or Mini. Mind you … only when my iPad Pro 12.5” 2019 runs out of gas. Stage Manager does not make the iPad Pro M1 a better companion for me … maybe a slightly better standalone experience than the last iPad OS … but it looks like an experiment … will see. When out and about I have little need to connect it to external monitor. I would find it more compelling the ability to seamlessly remote back to my Mac desktop … and have both remote macOS Apps side by side with local iPad OS apps … but Apple does not seam to be looking at this use case.
I gave my wife my older MacBook Pro and recently an iPad Air M1. She used the laptop mainly during COVID for meetings and the occasional need for Word. She uses the Air WAY more and pretty much exclusively now. The laptop hasn't been turned on in months.

For MANY peoples needs an iPad (of almost any kind, depending on what you do) is MORE than enough even though it's limited (Ports, OS). I get why "Pro's" will always want it to do more than it does. But for the large majority of people out there. It's plenty as is. It's a great tool if you need to enhance your Laptop or Desktop. It's perfectly fine by itself for most if not all common tasks. Social media, email, text, call/facetime, web, light gaming, etc.
I'm happy they fixed the external monitor support by giving you a full desktop (no bars). It's much better for presentations now because of that. Stage manager is just to further enhance the devices as a stand alone product "IF" you need it to be.
 
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Indeed, but then they don’t need to make up excuses when they can say they just don’t want to as it earns them money
Why do we have to call it an excuse? What are they making up? They don't have to explain to anyone why they choose to make something for another platform.
Like I said, they could add it to one of their subscriptions they offer on Android. That would make them money, and most likely not lose them any customers for the iPhone in general.
Most of the times a handful of features are artificially limited as it makes more money.
Well then that logic would apply to almost everything.
Currently when you look at it on an objective technical basis, their excuse it doesn’t make sense on any level.
I still don't see an excuse here. They tried it, and didn't like the end result of it. It's as clear an explanation as one could or should expect to get.
Again, by this logic we should only expect to get new hardware features once we have extracted every ounce of a previous generations hardware. Lets stop making new stuff, so we don't artificially look over the last years stuff. It still has some life left in it! C'mon.
It’s about calling out their ********. And we can test it to verify their claims.
Face it, you will not be satisfied with the results. If it runs 1 or 2 side apps fine, your response will be "See, they could just limit how many windowed apps on the side we got on the A series. That would be satisfactory". Then those devices battery would drain faster than expected. Then your the first to pop up with "See, more artificial excuses for Apple to force you to upgrade! They made the software drain the battery to give you only two measly side apps in stage manager!".
 
I gave my wife my older MacBook Pro and recently an iPad Air M1. She used the laptop mainly during COVID for meetings and the occasional need for Word. She uses the Air WAY more and pretty much exclusively now. The laptop hasn't been turned on in months.

I was speaking about the iPP (not the Air) in terms of work/productivity. If you don't need to do much work at all by all means get an iPad Air M1 ...

My wife used both her iPP 2018 and her MBP extensively during COVID to give remote classes to her students at home ... truly used the iPP as a companion. Past COVID she uses her iPP in bed and MBA for work (mobile and stationary)... she almost never takes the iPP out of the bedroom. Meaning the MBA is the go to device for work and the iPP for entertainment and internet browsing.

I think I agree with you. l suppose your wife as mine do not work from home much nowadays ... meaning still need a laptop or a desktop for work ... just not necessarily in the house. They could not do it well on the iPP alone most of the time.
 
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