iPadOS 26 is an Absolute Mess

[says_stuff]

You are given a choice to upgrade or not… Apple haven’t taken that choice away from you.

If you are not pleased with the software update Apple has provided for you… don’t update. Continue using the functionality that you “paid” for.

Yes. That means that i will lose on years of updates. If i didn’t want to have a constantly evolving device i wouldnt pay around 1000€ to get one.

What are the apostrophes for, do you think i stole my device from the store lol? Or am i not supposed to choose a device based on its characteristics, capabilities and logical expectancies for it?

 

[Ludatyk]

Yes. That means that i will lose on years of updates. If i didn’t want to have a constantly evolving device i wouldnt pay around 1000€ to get one.

Wait a min... trying to get an understanding here were expecting that the iPad wouldn't receive ANY changes to it based on updates?

What are the apostrophes for, do you think i stole my device from the store lol? Or am i not supposed to choose a device based on its characteristics, capabilities and logical expectancies for it?

No, I don't think you stole your device... just think your logic is flawed. Because you pay for the device as is... Apple is free to make any changes going forward.

 

[notabitail]

No, I don't think you stole your device... just think your logic is flawed. Because you pay for the device as is... Apple is free to make any changes going forward.

I believe they've even got a thing in the terms and conditions you have to agree to about that.

 

[says_stuff]

Wait a min... trying to get an understanding here were expecting that the iPad wouldn't receive ANY changes to it based on updates?

I said i wanted to have an evolving device so yeah i would expect changes. Just not a devolving one, missing features.

Apple is free to make any changes going forward.

Thanks for the reminder. It’s right there in the TOS i just read the whole thing again now and i just found the relevant part. It’s weird how a 4 trillion dollar company would not miss something that obvious and there you are, i was foolish to think that, though i didn’t and you are of course 100% correct to defend this behavior. I should even be happy for spending money on something randomly not covering my needs yeah. No of course lets not discuss about the missing features. Lets talk about the tos, the law and whatever else.

The people that updated without knowing whats in store should also be informed of this.

 

[Ludatyk]

I said i wanted to have an evolving device so yeah i would expect changes. Just not a devolving one, missing features.

Well, I guess that’s where we part ways… I don’t consider it being a devolving change.

 

[bcortens]

Don’t take it so literally. Every 32-bit device is a piece of garbage if fully updated. Just a lag fest. The iPad 2 on iOS 9, the iPad Mini 1 on iOS 9, and equivalent iPhones.

Fully updated 64-bit devices, by the end of their lifespan, have seen battery life reductions of 60-70%. Newer devices like the Xʀ and Xs have seen better numbers, but still poor vs iOS 12. Likewise with the 2018 iPad Pro.

This is all avoidable by staying behind. No empathy with those affected by the final iOS update. You brought this on yourself, most with years on end of iOS experience.

Given how hard Apple pushes users to update with unasked for notifications and default settings I won’t fully blame users. Apple is partly to blame because they want to be able to advertise that a high percentage of devices in use are on the latest version. They also set automatic updates as the default and even if you turn them off you have to take the extra step of turning off automatic downloads to fully opt out.

 

[says_stuff]

I don’t consider it being a devolving change.

So you disagree that the sliding window is doing less in terms of pure abilities? Doing less isn’t devolving?

 

[Ludatyk]

So you disagree that the sliding window is doing less in terms of pure abilities? Doing less isn’t devolving?

I responded before… you lose the ability to have multitask SlideOver stack, but you gain the ability to resize and move freely.

And in this new multitasking environment… you can have plenty of windows across your display. Maybe it’s just me… I prefer Stage Manager. I did not like the elongated shape of the SlideOver window… it was stuck in two positions (far left and right).

 

[achappy]

And that's your opinion. I like the current implementation that's been adapted with this new multitasking system... can move it around more freely and resize it to whatever form I like.

I held off commenting on the new implementation until I can actually use it and I have to agree. I like it better. Any size I want and it works well across stages.

So I now have iMessages in this permanent window and can access it in any stage instead of having to switch back to the one stage I had it in. And I can also make it the perfect size for me and not restricted.

 

[says_stuff]

I responded before… you lose the ability to have multitask SlideOver stack, but you gain the ability to resize and move freely.

And in this new multitasking environment… you can have plenty of windows across your display. Maybe it’s just me… I prefer Stage Manager. I did not like the elongated shape of the SlideOver window… it was stuck in two positions (far left and right).

Thanks. Since you confused me asking your opinion about the slideover shape and didn’t really answer, i’m gonna guess you don’t understand how something doing less things and differently can be considered less capable.

 

[FeliApple]

Given how hard Apple pushes users to update with unasked for notifications and default settings I won’t fully blame users. Apple is partly to blame because they want to be able to advertise that a high percentage of devices in use are on the latest version. They also set automatic updates as the default and even if you turn them off you have to take the extra step of turning off automatic downloads to fully opt out.

Apple is fully to blame for many things, including disallowing downgrading, the incessant push notifications, and automatic update settings like you said.

Users are solely to blame for pushing the button. If you can’t tolerate a few notifications to spare your device from this garbage… well, that’s indefensible. Turning off a setting is a ridiculously low bar.

I’ve refrained from updating iOS since iOS 5 debuted. It isn’t difficult at all.

 

[Ludatyk]

Thanks. Since you confused me asking your opinion about the stage manager shape and didn’t really answer, i’m gonna guess you don’t understand how something doing less and different things can be considered less capable.

I do understand. But what you are missing is.. it’s a better experience given the environment that it’s in. That’s what @achappy is explaining because why would I care to have a multitasking SlideOver stack? When I can have multiple windows already on the display.

 

[says_stuff]

I do understand. But what you are missing is.. it’s a better experience given the environment that it’s in.

What you are missing is an answer to a yes/no question. A resizable window of one app, is objectively less than a non resizable window of hundreds of apps, yes or no? I also asked about the meaning of devolving but i guess i shouldn’t expect an answer on this either.

why would I care to have a multitasking SlideOver stack? When I can have multiple windows already on the display.

You wouldn’t. But i would, because this could be a miserable experience on tablet screens and not what i (and i guess others) signed up for.

 

[zhenya]

So you disagree that the sliding window is doing less in terms of pure abilities? Doing less isn’t devolving?

My take - and I presume this is Apple’s take as well - is that fully resizable windows make slideover mostly redundant. I hear you that you’re used to interacting with the device in a certain way, but even in 26.1 I can’t really find a use case for slide-over in my workflow. The task bar and/or Stage Manager provide similar functionality with a lot more flexibility.

For years I’ve been saying that most people don’t really seem to understand Stage Manager and therefore dismiss it to their own detriment. So I see Apple’s point. Stage manager already provides a “slideover” functionality for a quick glance at something and the windowing mode provides a lot more flexibility for managing multiple windows. Yes, slideover enables processes that are slightly different, but i’m not sure they are better.

 

[Ludatyk]

What you are missing is an answer to a yes/no question. A resizable window of one app, is objectively less than a non resizable window of hundreds of apps, yes or no? I also asked about the meaning of devolving but i guess i shouldn’t expect an answer on this either.

To answer.. your question. In my opinion… no. It’s not doing less… because you gaining the freedom to resize and move freely something you couldn’t do before.

So… devolving in this context is the idea that it’s not going forward… not improving.. but going backwards. And I disagree, that’s why I stated this is where we part ways.

 

[Mainsail]

Don’t take it so literally. Every 32-bit device is a piece of garbage if fully updated. Just a lag fest. The iPad 2 on iOS 9, the iPad Mini 1 on iOS 9, and equivalent iPhones.

Fully updated 64-bit devices, by the end of their lifespan, have seen battery life reductions of 60-70%. Newer devices like the Xʀ and Xs have seen better numbers, but still poor vs iOS 12. Likewise with the 2018 iPad Pro.

This is all avoidable by staying behind. No empathy with those affected by the final iOS update. You brought this on yourself, most with years on end of iOS experience.

Or, you could just say what you mean to say rather than expect people to interpret your rants, which I guess you are admitting are disingenuous. Typical forum trolling behavior. Don't take responsibility for your posts and exaggerations....just keep ranting with terms like "piece of garbage".

And now you are going all the way back to iPad 2, iOS 9, and devices that are at the end of their useful life to try to support your point......like the only thing that might be causing issues or reduced battery life is an iOS update. Not a credible analysis in my book.

 

[says_stuff]

but i’m not sure they are better.

Does it make a difference if i am? From your answer i have to presume it doesn’t and apple unmistakenly knows the best way for me to work, my needs and gets to decide if i leave the autoupdate switch on. The tos says so.

 

[bcortens]

Apple is fully to blame for many things, including disallowing downgrading, the incessant push notifications, and automatic update settings like you said.

Users are solely to blame for pushing the button. If you can’t tolerate a few notifications to spare your device from this garbage… well, that’s indefensible. Turning off a setting is a ridiculously low bar.

I’ve refrained from updating iOS since iOS 5 debuted. It isn’t difficult at all.

You really overestimate the average users willingness to dig around settings. Many people I know have to be guided on how to navigate and modify settings.
Having no way to properly preview changes is also a way in which this is apples fault. It’s also Apple’s fault that rolling back to a previous OS version is very hard at first and then impossible later on.

 

[zhenya]

Does it make a difference if i am? From your answer i have to presume it doesn’t and apple unmistakenly knows the best way for me to work, my needs and gets to decide if i leave the autoupdate switch on. The tos says so.

This is literally someone’s experience in every software update ever. Some people get really hung up on it - some to the point where eventually they are unable to do basic life tasks. Others remain much more flexible and overall - software tends to improve over time. Sometimes with a bit of a regression or some head scratching along the way.

 

[says_stuff]

This is literally someone’s experience in every software update ever. Some people get really hung up on it - some to the point where eventually they are unable to do basic life tasks. Others remain much more flexible and overall - software tends to improve over time. Sometimes with a bit of a regression or some head scratching along the way.

Sure but we are here arguing about some people asking to encompass the users’ variety of needs providing at least the usual options and

then there people strongly advocating for non redundant software development trimming the os budget,

like i should care for a trillion dollar company saving some dollars by eliminating “redundant” optional ux more than i should care for my needs.

Asking for an app switcher at the bottom of the slideover and having people arguing against this like its the worst thing that could happen destroying the purity of the os, citing the tos and ux design is wild to me. I don’t get what we are here supposed to conversate on if the tos covers all aspects of everything apple does as it probably does. I lied i didn’t read the whole thing but i guess it does.

 

[uacd]

Microsoft Office icons with glass effect🤣🤡

I don’t know which app is which tbh

 

[FeliApple]

Or, you could just say what you mean to say rather than expect people to interpret your rants, which I guess you are admitting are disingenuous. Typical forum trolling behavior. Don't take responsibility for your posts and exaggerations....just keep ranting with terms like "piece of garbage".

And now you are going all the way back to iPad 2, iOS 9, and devices that are at the end of their useful life to try to support your point......like the only thing that might be causing issues or reduced battery life is an iOS update. Not a credible analysis in my book.

I have been using original iOS versions since I started using iOS with iOS 4.

In the middle of this extensive period of time I have been forced to update some devices, I’ve updated others, and I’ve tested fully updated devices.

I am used to fully original versions of iOS. I won’t apologise for my language: in my view, fully updated devices are garbage.

I’m too used to great devices by Apple to call them anything else.

I now have six iPhones and three iPads. Four iPhones and two iPads run original iOS versions. The other three devices, I have two that are so pathetic that they’re unusable (a 5c on iOS 10 and a 6s on iOS 13), and one iPad that is decent (a 9.7-inch iPad Pro on iOS 12). I have extensively used another iPad on its original iOS version (a 6th-gen iPad on iOS 12), and I have tested an iPhone 11 on iOS 14 and then updated it to iOS 18.

My view is and has been defined by original versions of iOS. This is not common. This is not typical. I have far less tolerance than most. That’s why my opinion is more stringent than most people.

 

[FeliApple]

Or, you could just say what you mean to say rather than expect people to interpret your rants, which I guess you are admitting are disingenuous. Typical forum trolling behavior. Don't take responsibility for your posts and exaggerations....just keep ranting with terms like "piece of garbage".

And now you are going all the way back to iPad 2, iOS 9, and devices that are at the end of their useful life to try to support your point......like the only thing that might be causing issues or reduced battery life is an iOS update. Not a credible analysis in my book.

The only things that cause reduced battery life, apart from obvious usage variations, are iOS updates.

 

[notabitail]

I have a decent collection of Apple junk.

My first iPhone was a $3 estate sale bargain on an iPhone 4. iOS 7 wasn't great on it. It did feel slow. Installing apps on it and trying to use said apps made it worse. My 4th gen iPod touch on iOS 6 does much better.

I have an iPad 2 and the original iPad mini. Both on iOS 9. The iPad 2 handles it relatively well. The mini doesn't. I don't know why. Probably a slower CPU.

My iPad 4 handles its latest (iOS 10) fairly well. In fact, I don't think I've ever had an OS slowdown on it.

I have an iPad Air 1, and it works just fine, though if I enable my jailbreak tweaks it does slow down a bit.

In my experience, the latest usually isn't bad at all. Bit slower, yes. But usually it's way more usable than the original iOS.

 

[FeliApple]

I have a decent collection of Apple junk.

My first iPhone was a $3 estate sale bargain on an iPhone 4. iOS 7 wasn't great on it. It did feel slow. Installing apps on it and trying to use said apps made it worse. My 4th gen iPod touch on iOS 6 does much better.

I have an iPad 2 and the original iPad mini. Both on iOS 9. The iPad 2 handles it relatively well. The mini doesn't. I don't know why. Probably a slower CPU.

My iPad 4 handles its latest (iOS 10) fairly well. In fact, I don't think I've ever had an OS slowdown on it.

I have an iPad Air 1, and it works just fine, though if I enable my jailbreak tweaks it does slow down a bit.

In my experience, the latest usually isn't bad at all. Bit slower, yes. But usually it's way more usable than the original iOS.

You have far more tolerance than me. I have an iPhone 5c on iOS 10 and I have used every chipset-iOS version combo you mention.

Nothing other than complete garbage for me.