I know they won’t but Apple should make an EU only phone that strips out everything the EU is complaining about. If users want it, download it from the store.
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iPadOS Identified as Digital 'Gatekeeper' Under New EU Tech Rules
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now you know to not buy a Honda.
should have done your research on which car manufacturer will stand by and support the product long term.
vote with your wallet. it's very simple.
I realize that. Although in some cases I really wonder.
I seriously doubt the EU as a whole got together to come up with desire to go after Apple. One country probably started the process, realizing that suing Apple could bring big bucks (or is that Euros?), and the rest of the EU countries jumped on board. This whole idea about Apple protecting it's ecosystem is just spitting in the wind out of spite. Apple should protect it's ecosystem.
If an unvetted application from alternative source gets installed, mucks up the Apple device, who is to blame? I can almost guarantee that Apple would be blamed. What if the device is under warranty? Should Apple be responsible for repairs? If Apple is forced to allow alternative OS's to be installed, should Android devices be force to allow IOS to run on the Android products?
There are alternative platforms if people don't like Apple. I see no reason why Apple has to allow anyone access to their system. If people did not like it, they would not buy the products. That has not been the case with Apple. If Apple was a minority player, with a locked ecosystem, no one would say a word. But Apple is dominant and has deep pockets. Thus Apple became a target.
Having been involved with Windows from the very early days of Windows 3.1, I wish that Microsoft had been able to lock down Windows. Prevent unvetted applications, and especially drivers, from being installed. At one point in the past the BIOS was locked and protected. COMPAQ did a clean room development of the BIOS. That opened up the flood gate of clones. From that point forward the compatibility problems have been signifiant. From misbehaved drivers, software that crashes the OS (a blue screen), video cards that go bonkers, DLL hell, the list is long. Apple was wise to lock down their systems to avoid such issues. The EU will single-handedly destroy the security and reliability of the Apple ecosystem.
The people in the EU who are making these decisions are generally technological idiots. About the same as the representatives in the states. Most of them probably still have VCRs flashing 12:00 and the clock on the microwave still reads 00:00.
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Do tell - who’s accountable for the Pfizer vaccine fiasco & immigration clusterfck??? Either you’re an EU shill (free/paid) or you’re delusional
This line at the beginning of the article is very important in my opinion:
and as such I cannot understand peoples anger/disgust with the EU over it's handling of Apple and others. For decades people have enjoyed the fruits of fair competition and expansion of options for consumers. No longer are people restricted on where they purchase their cars, spare parts or getting a service. People have a good selection of utility providers to chose from, cable companies to chose from, mobile phone network providers to chose from, food, clothing, tools, electrical goods, electronic goods, insurance, banking and the list goes on. All things that have changed over the decades due to the EU stepping in to prevent companies and manufacturers from dominating in the market thereby being able to set what ever price they wanted. Now that the EU is focusing on the digital world, app stores, app store apps and more suddenly people are annoyed and disgusted that certain companies are being targeted. Maybe these people will be happy to go back to how things were, only 2-3 utility companies to chose from, having to get your car repaired at the car manufacturers dealership, having to purchase car spares from the car manufacturer, having limited choice on food, clothing, electrical goods and so on all the while being restricted to the high prices they set because there is no competition to drive down prices.
You cannot complain about the one and be happy with the other, it does not work like that. Everyone has to abide from fair competition or no one does.
and as such I cannot understand peoples anger/disgust with the EU over it's handling of Apple and others. For decades people have enjoyed the fruits of fair competition and expansion of options for consumers. No longer are people restricted on where they purchase their cars, spare parts or getting a service. People have a good selection of utility providers to chose from, cable companies to chose from, mobile phone network providers to chose from, food, clothing, tools, electrical goods, electronic goods, insurance, banking and the list goes on. All things that have changed over the decades due to the EU stepping in to prevent companies and manufacturers from dominating in the market thereby being able to set what ever price they wanted. Now that the EU is focusing on the digital world, app stores, app store apps and more suddenly people are annoyed and disgusted that certain companies are being targeted. Maybe these people will be happy to go back to how things were, only 2-3 utility companies to chose from, having to get your car repaired at the car manufacturers dealership, having to purchase car spares from the car manufacturer, having limited choice on food, clothing, electrical goods and so on all the while being restricted to the high prices they set because there is no competition to drive down prices.
You cannot complain about the one and be happy with the other, it does not work like that. Everyone has to abide from fair competition or no one does.
See, to even make a point against such an infamous company like Nintendo you had to go back all the way to 1990 when gaming was in its nascent state.what?
Super Nintendo Entertainment System - Wikipedia
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Nintendo prevented Mortal Kombat from having too much blood. Sega Genesis allowed it.
Did you need more examples on where you went wrong?
Then the Appstore is to be blamed for that. If they had treated developers with respect, they would not leave the appstore.
You already had that freedom before the DMA by not buying Apple products, but for some reason you chose not to exercise that freedom. The question is why ?
Look at the gray line. That is the European iPhone market share for the past year. If you think that any firm with a 32% market share is a monopoly, you don't know what that word means.
Let's go back ten years. Surely a monopoly would have market power to dominate their competition. Well, not so much. The iPhone market share in 2014 ended up at...32%.
Maybe Europeans were/are smart enough to avoid iOS due to its 'stifling, anti-competitive practices', without needing the EU bureaucracy to step in?
What if only Honda and Toyota are two popular car makers in your region?
Really? Then why have I been able to use Chrome and Edge on my iPad for several years?
sounds like you admit you're wrong?
I didn't need *to go back all the way to 1990*, it's the first example that popped in my mind.
simple 10 second google search brought this up https://gamerant.com/nintendo-eshop-game-sunshine-shuffle-blocked/
luckily there are more than 2 phone manufacturers with many flavors of Android operating systems-, oh wait, I mean luckily there are more than 2 car makers in my region.
The EU parliament has no real, effective power. The EU does what it wants and no matter how and where you vote there is no real democratic accountability.
What is so special about 90%? Is it a God-given figure? The argument might fly in the USA, not in other countries. They have their own arbitrary criteria that determine when a product is a monopoly.
Its not a design decision. Design decision would imply choices that leads to better outcome and user experience. It doesn't. What they are doing instead is just putting in tremendous effort for the explicit reason to keep out competitors, independent developers and curious individual users. Where-as to leave it open the required effort is much lower. Remember there were already plenty of solutions years ago for side loading as created by 3rd party developers and adopted by individual users?
No because that didn't work well for M$. https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/25/...s-revenue-profits-windows-xbox-gaming-surface
Tim Cook was right all along.
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Agree.
None what the EU has enforced on iOS/iPhone in the EU is in any way hindering Apple's EU iPhone owners from using iOS as Apple wants it, never leaving the AppStore, never making use of alternative app stores.
The best, highest value/$, most competitive product will not lose any shares in a given market regardless of how much competition is introduced.
In the EU, iOS users can now freely compare and contrast what Apple has to offer vs. what third parties can offer, either rewarding Apple or a third party alternative app store competitor with their hard-earned euros, depending on who offers the best product or best value/€.
If Apple is indeed as superior as its most vocal proponents claim, that it's just superior overall, then it has nothing to fear.
The same will be true for iPadOS.
"Today, we have brought Apple's iPadOS within the scope of the DMA obligations. Our market investigation showed that despite not meeting the thresholds, iPadOS constitutes an important gateway on which many companies rely to reach their customers."
This is Vestager/EU admitting that they're not following their own rules. "Gatekeeper" was supposed to be defined by the thresholds. Now they're saying that they can just deem anything a "gatekeeper" regardless of whether the thresholds are met or not.
This is Vestager/EU admitting that they're not following their own rules. "Gatekeeper" was supposed to be defined by the thresholds. Now they're saying that they can just deem anything a "gatekeeper" regardless of whether the thresholds are met or not.
The number of times people try to make this nonsensical argument is hilarious. The only way this could be true is if the EU required app developers to sell an App Store version of their app so that users who only wanted to use the App Store wouldn't have to go elsewhere.
It never made sense that the DMA only applied to iOS. iPadOS is basically iOS. I’m sure Apple is ready for this.
Vestarger/EU admitted that iPadOS doesn't meet the "gatekeeper" requirements. See below...
"Our market investigation showed that despite not meeting the thresholds, iPadOS constitutes an important gateway on which many companies rely to reach their customers."
You could always just buy the device that fits your needs and allows you to install whatever you want. No one is forced to buy an iPad
Sure it made sense and the EU has admitted the reason why: iPadOS doesn't meet the EUs thresholds for "gatekeeper" status. See below...
"Our market investigation showed that despite not meeting the thresholds, iPadOS constitutes an important gateway on which many companies rely to reach their customers."