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I wonder if Apple can/would implement a software mode where it's one or the other: free OR secure.

And once you choose, you can't go back without a complete reset.

And free mode means the user would agree to absolve Apple of ANY consequences that ensue.

So basically, allow Android on the iPad which locks you out of ALL Apple apps that aren't cross platform.
So the Mac isn’t secure? I doubt Apple would agree with that.
 
I know they won’t but Apple should make an EU only phone that strips out everything the EU is complaining about. If users want it, download it from the store.
If Apple is ready to do that, it might be better to simply follow the DMA. It is easier and more respectable route to take for Apple instead of getting forced by governments.
 
If Apple is ready to do that, it might be better to simply follow the DMA. It is easier and more respectable route to take for Apple instead of getting forced by governments.
It's the EU that isn't following the DMA. They've admitted that iPadOS doesn't meet the thresholds they set to determine what was a "gatekeeper" and what wasn't. See below...

"Our market investigation showed that despite not meeting the thresholds, iPadOS constitutes an important gateway on which many companies rely to reach their customers."
 
Can someone point to me where Apple has ever referred to or marketed iPhone or iPad as a game console?
 
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Look at the gray line. That is the European iPhone market share for the past year. If you think that any firm with a 32% market share is a monopoly, you don't know what that word means. View attachment 2372957

Let's go back ten years. Surely a monopoly would have market power to dominate their competition. Well, not so much. The iPhone market share in 2014 ended up at...32%.
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Maybe Europeans were/are smart enough to avoid iOS due to its 'stifling, anti-competitive practices', without needing the EU bureaucracy to step in?
Yes. That is why the EU went with a different set of criteria rather than market share. They know that market share is not everything.
 
No, many people didn’t like those decisions, they use Apple devices despite Apple’s authoritarianism, because it's not the only factor to consider when choosing a platform. You can’t just assume that because someone chooses an Apple device, they like everything that Apple does. And the market situation is such that consumers have to decide between two evils.
This! I forgot where I read it, but someone wrote that he would need to be paid north of 10,000 dollars to be forced to switch over from Mac to Windows. But on Mac, you have the freedom to choose where to get your software from (App Store, website, terminal, homebrew package manager, etc.).
On iOS/iPad, you are forced to use the App Store and developers have no choice. Yes, Apple did a great job with the App Store, but it has been dictating what you can install on your iPhone (and later, iPad) for already 16 years(!).
 
Or maybe before they decide to just pull out of the EU altogether.
As a shareholder I can't ever see this happening. Apple luckily follows the local laws, be it China, India, UK or EU. As it should be. And by the way, European companies follow your silly rules too, like when EU airlines fly to the US they have to give you all sorts of personal passenger data that would be illegal to collect here. :rolleyes:
 
However you feel about the DMCA (for example I'm against it), this makes perfect sense.
Not much useful to have an "unlocked" iPhone nut a "locked" iPad.
 
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So the Mac isn’t secure? I doubt Apple would agree with that.
Actually Apple executives do agree with that:

"Today, we have a level of malware on the Mac that we don't find acceptable," Federighi told the court in testimony. “If you took Mac security techniques and applied them to the iOS ecosystem, with all those devices, all that value, it would get run over to a degree dramatically worse than is already happening on the Mac. Put that same situation in place for iOS and it would be a very bad situation for our customers".
 
Yes. That is why the EU went with a different set of criteria rather than market share. They know that market share is not everything.
They don't actually have criteria anymore. They've admitted that iPadOS doesn't meet the DMA thresholds but they're going to treat it like a "gatekeeper" anyway. See below...

"Our market investigation showed that despite not meeting the thresholds, iPadOS constitutes an important gateway on which many companies rely to reach their customers."
 
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Sure it made sense and the EU has admitted the reason why: iPadOS doesn't meet the EUs thresholds for "gatekeeper" status. See below...

"Our market investigation showed that despite not meeting the thresholds, iPadOS constitutes an important gateway on which many companies rely to reach their customers."
This quote is taken completely out of context. Business use alone is 11x the threshold for gatekeeper status. That’s already an existing rule; the goalpost didn’t move. This quote was simply adding context to the additional info that on the consumer side, the threshold hasn’t been met *yet*. Consumer usage is close enough that, had the business use not already passed the threshold, iPadOS would still pass it in the coming months/years anyway due to the consumer user base expanding.

Editing to also add, you’ve posted this same quote over 5 times…
 
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It's the EU that isn't following the DMA. They've admitted that iPadOS doesn't meet the thresholds they set to determine what was a "gatekeeper" and what wasn't. See below...

"Our market investigation showed that despite not meeting the thresholds, iPadOS constitutes an important gateway on which many companies rely to reach their customers."
Yes, they have different sets of criteria.

  • Apple's business user numbers exceeded the quantitative threshold elevenfold, while its end user numbers were close to the threshold and are predicted to rise in the near future.
  • End users are locked-in to iPadOS. Apple leverages its large ecosystem to disincentivise end users from switching to other operating systems for tablets.
  • Business users are locked-in to iPadOS because of its large and commercially attractive user base, and its importance for certain use cases, such as gaming apps.
 
Imagine you buy a car from Honda, lets say Civic. After 2 years Honda stops providing spare parts for the car. You and other buyers go to the courts and courts ask the government to pull up Honda to provide spares.
I then as a Honda NSX buyer mock the government to design their own car.
How much sense do you think my argument makes in that case?
Apple's not providing iOS updates to devices that are only two years old? I missed that rumor.

To build on your analogy, there is a point at which automakers stop making replacement parts for their vehicles, at which point third-parties often step in to produce them.
 
Look at the gray line. That is the European iPhone market share for the past year. If you think that any firm with a 32% market share is a monopoly, you don't know what that word means. View attachment 2372957

Let's go back ten years. Surely a monopoly would have market power to dominate their competition. Well, not so much. The iPhone market share in 2014 ended up at...32%.
View attachment 2372962
Maybe Europeans were/are smart enough to avoid iOS due to its 'stifling, anti-competitive practices', without needing the EU bureaucracy to step in?
The EU is smart enough to use other criteria to snag Apple instead of monopoly :)
 
What you call “milking” is basically protecting a platform millions of people like, against the wishes of a handful of people who don’t like it. Obviously, since so many people like it, they get some big revenue from it.

How do you know millions of people like it? I own a ton of Apple devices and I think it's ******** to lock the iOS like they do. They don't protect anything besides their profit margins. Or otherwise sideloading would be not allowed on MacOS as well.
 
Apple is just playing the long con, trying to milk as much out of their platforms as possible

There is no "con" going on here.

Apple is just trying to maximize revenue for the products they sell.

It has never been a secret that the App Store is a gatekeeper for software for the iPad (and iPhone.)
 
And then who would have bought an Apple device? Android tablets are not selling because they do not have a good third-party ecosystem, not because they do not have good hardware. iPhones and iPads would not have sold if not for the vibrant ecosystem of third-party apps.
I agree. Without the App Store, the iPad would have probably failed. However, I also think the iPad would have failed with a Mac-like approach. Turns out, the “locked-in” model was very successful and customers like the iPad a lot. And Apple was (and is) responsible for the decisions they take. If they’re right, they will benefits from high customer satisfaction; if they’re wrong, they won’t sell products.
 
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