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Wow

It astonishes me to hear all the griping about a company that has been completely up front about it's products feature set and who fulfills it's promises to it's customers. Did any of you actually go out and plunk down good money with a full expectation that the iPhone was unlockable and could have 3d party applications installed? And now you are all put out and going to sue because you can't do these things? Man what planet are you all from? If you don't think Apple told you the truth, sold you a reliable product, or provided adequate customer service, it's your duty to complain or even to sue. That is not the case here. The iPhone is all Apple said it would be and more. I'd pay big money to see the look on the judges face when you all tell him Apple misled you and that they owe you something. I love the iPhone for what it is now and for what it will be tomorrow and what that is is RELIABLE.
 
After 8 years of being a loyal customer, I simply DO NOT feel comfortable giving Apple anymore of my $$. I dont want to "rent" my products & thats exactly what they are started to do here. If we keep buying into them, its like saying "Thank you sir. May I have another" while they gang rape us from behind. So, its never gonna stop unless we just stop.
Considering Steve Jobs has been calling for "patience", and that we're only 90 days into the iPhone platform, I think you're being more than a bit foolish (if your love of the Macintosh platform has any degree of depth in your life, you won't escape these issues elsewhere). If after 12 months, Apple made NO moves towards opening up the platform, I might be inclined to agree with you. As it stands, those that begin making rash decisions about highly politicized issues surrounding media convergence, are being more than a little naive in my opinion about the state of things.

Read this article written by FoxNews on cellphone UNLOCKING, before the iPhone was even announced:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235602,00.html
Now that the U.S.Copyright Office has given a green light to unlock your GSM or iDen cell phone (click here for details) you can save money on a new phone — provided you can find it unlocked, or unlock it yourself.
Many more recent phones either require hardware modifications or aren't unlockable at all, according to Evan Silbert, president of Warlocks Wireless (http://www.iunlock.com) in Boston.

Regarding the "right" to unlock, read this article by PC Magazine, as it tries to get comment from the various carriers on the new provisions for unlocking in the DMCA:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2064707,00.asp
While this is certainly good news for consumers who want to use the same phone even if they opt for a different service provider, the cellular carriers will likely have a different reaction.

While representatives from Cingular and T-Mobile did not return PC Magazine's calls, both companies, as well as other cellular providers, have previously argued that the software on their phones should be considered a copyrighted work, despite the recent decision. Anyone who tries to unlock it for use on another network is breaking DRM and violating the statutory prohibition on circumvention, or so the argument goes.
Joe Farren, a CTIA spokesman, would not comment directly on the recent decision but said that the organization's attorneys are still reviewing it.

"It's clear that the decision does not prohibit carriers from locking phones," said Farren. "It essentially allows consumers to unlock their phones without carriers being able to intervene."
Now, let's be clear about the term "intervene". It doesn't prevent firmware updates that make unlocking more difficult, it prevents legal moves aimed at individuals taking advantage of, or disseminating methods to do so. They can't sue you or stop you from sharing information about unlocking. In some cases however, they may still claim copyright if 3rd parties SELL solutions... although the territory is nebulous.
While last week's decision does make unlocking legal here in the U.S., it is not permanent. The DMCA exemption process repeats every three years. According to the government, it is up to people who want these exemptions to continue arguing for them. If that is not done, exemptions can just as easily be overturned, as was the case this year with a 2003 ruling that allowed an exemption for researchers attempting to uncover the blacklists used by Internet filtering software.
Our consumer rights seem to be hanging by a thread, and while the self-righteous amongst us, think that choosing to disavow support or patronage of companies like Apple or AT&T has ANY significance, the more pragmatic and well-informed amongst us, see the larger context, and make plans to contact the FCC regularly, and rile up others to keep the pressure on.

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/09/28/90-days-later/
"So where does that leave us? Michael suggested that customers send their complaints directly to the FCC (1-888-CALL-FCC). He thinks that after 1 year, the FCC will force AT&T and Apple to provide unlocks for their customers."
General complaints page:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints_general.html

FCC Form 475 - General Communications related Issues:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475.cfm

General complaints by email (be sure to include your full contact information and coherent description of the nature of your complaint):
fccinfo@fcc.gov

It's up to everyone to figure out exactly where they truly think they can make a difference, and where a stand is even appropriate.

~ CB
 
Adios, peestandingup.
Enjoy yourself over on the Windows forums. Much lower hanging fruit to turn into whine about over there. Vista, Zune, Windows Mobile. Soooo much innovaton over there.
I challenge anyone to say that a company like Microsoft, who agreed to pay studios like Universal $1 for each sale of a Zune, actually has consumers' best interests in mind (more than Apple, or when compared to studio interests). While Microsoft DRM had such early flops as PressPlay, it took Apple's patience and compromise to release the success that has become the iTunes music store.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5939600/steve_jobs_the_rolling_stone_interview/
"When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know, it was a while ago. It took us 18 months. And at first we said: None of this technology that you're talking about's gonna work. We have Ph.D.'s here, that know the stuff cold, and we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content." - Steve Jobs, Rolling Stones

Windows DRM has been SO restrictive, I cannot entertain ANY notion of purchasing content/movies/music from Amazon Unboxed. 5 machines? Not even half as many. Put it on unlimited portable devices...? No... 2 max. Mark my words, as PlayReady shows up as a method of distributing music, any legacy "free ringtone" ability will vanish as well.

~ CB
 
Im already in the process of selling my MacBook, my ExtremeN & Express routers, my 12" PowerBook that I use for a media center, my iPod HiFi, etc. Im going totally open-source, thats it. Thats what its come to.

You'll be back in three months. Make it two. Do you seriously think you're going to get the same experience from Linux? Everyone needs to chill out and recognize a few inevitabilities:

1. Steve Jobs once said no one wanted to watch video on a tiny screen. He also derided flash memory, saying that the iPod's strength was its ability to carry your entire library with you. Apple will allow third-party software on the iPhone, first via hand-selected partners and then someday through an SDK. If you can't wait, get a Windows Mobile device.

2. Someone said that if amateurs could develop iPhone applications in a few months so could Apple. True, but amateurs don't have to file copyright and patent applications, work with the marketing department, run several stages of tests, including the Does Steve Approve test, etc. -- large company stuff that slows time to market.

3. When have you ever used a 1.0 product that did everything you wanted? The iPhone comes closer than any other 1.0 product I've used (Keynote 1.0 was my previous pick for best 1.0).

4. Those of you who post here are not mainstream consumers. As Apple grows larger, you are no longer the apple of its eye. You need to come to terms with Apple's increasing focus on mainstream consumers, which I define as people who don't post in forums, don't know what an SDK is, are thrilled to have email on their phone, don't know what DRM stands for, think $1.98 for a permanent ringtone is a good deal, etc. Steve Jobs always wanted to build products for the mass market, not nerds and geeks like us. Now he's fulfilling his dream.
 
You'll be back in three months. Make it two. Do you seriously think you're going to get the same experience from Linux?
Actually, I've been using Ubuntu for the last 3 months natively on a separate partition on my MacBook, so I am well aware of what Im getting into. Do I think its as refined as OS X?? No, but that doesn't mean its bad either. Its actually quite good.

I know what Im doing. Obviously, I dont just make decisions like this willy nilly given my 8 years of being a Mac user. So, no. I wont be back sadly.
 
it would have been a way of 'sticking it to the man' if all of us just would have said NO to this update.

No, you 'stick it to the man' by not buying the product. As the old saying goes, money talks and BS walks.

Apple was very upfront about what you couldn't do with the iPhone. If you bought one and tried to do something that Apple said you can't and bricked your phone, its your own damn fault.
 
I smell a lawsuit coming and fast. I was just in the apple store and a guy was in there with his locked iphone because of this update. They told him he hacked it and there was nothing he could do. He was yelling like mad. I felt bad for him. Its freakin wrong of apple and they deserve to get sued.

Why should Apple get sued? We iPhone users agreed to a software user agreement when we set up our phones. Apple is well within its legal rights... We were hoping for hacks but it has been hack at your own risk from day one.
 
Actually, I've been using Ubuntu for the last 3 months natively on a separate partition on my MacBook, so I am well aware of what Im getting into. Do I think its as refined as OS X?? No, but that doesn't mean its bad either. Its actually quite good.
I know what Im doing. Obviously, I dont just make decisions like this willy nilly given my 8 years of being a Mac user. So, no. I wont be back sadly.
If you let 90 days decide your withdrawal from the Mac community, you really DO seem to make decisions willy nilly. Instead of sticking around and fighting for what you believe in (if you've indeed worked that out), you're withdrawing to another platform with the expectation that your decision has some coherent impact, when Apple is selling more laptops than ever.

Clearly, something else more substantial is influencing your decision than a 3 month span where Apple is deciding how and when to expand its developer options for a new platform. Many Mac users have access to Ubuntu, as its ready to install by default with VMWare.

What if in January Apple released a stable 3rd party SDK for native iPhone applications? What if in June of next year, they have a fully realized platform for delivering new paid/free applications to iPhone via iTunes? Would that make your decision now SMART or UNINFORMED? You might criticise Apple for not disclosing its long-term plans, but I certainly don't. That's what competition, trade secrets, and lead time are all about.

~ CB
 
Adios, peestandingup.
Enjoy yourself over on the Windows forums. Much lower hanging fruit to turn into whine about over there. Vista, Zune, Windows Mobile. Soooo much innovaton over there.
:apple:

Did you even read his post? Open source, the man said, and he could be right. I've been thinking about it since Apple dropped RISC and their attitude to the iPhone is pushing me further in that direction. It's good to see I'm not alone.

*edit* I suffered from premature exclamation there but my point stands. It is beginning to seem like closed source benevolence is restricted to underdogs. As soon as the marketshare grows, so does the arrogance. I, too have been running Ubuntu as well as OS X. In my case it's been for over a year. Will I miss OS X? Of course but Apple's "way" and my principles have been gradually parting company for a while now...
 
:...Steve was reportedly against having slots in the Apple II back in the days of yore, and felt even stronger about slots for the Mac. He decreed that the Macintosh would remain perpetually bereft of slots, enclosed in a tightly sealed case, with only the limited expandability of the two serial ports...."

And that, boys and girls, is the reason why, even though better built and with a better operating system, the Mac is barely a blip on worldwide computer sales. And why Steve Jobs really made his money from Pixar (well, and from Next.)

I think the iPhone UI is light years ahead of everything else. I also think that within a year, we'll see every major player copying it and adding to it.

When they do, the bitter taste left from this will drive some away from the iPhone. To boot, the iPhone is the first exposure to Apple for many, and this will make them think twice about getting another Apple product.

Only a truly religious fanboy can make excuses for this.
 
wow.... wow I thought this was going in such a good direction, sigh I fooled myself. We have here someone giving up on Apple because of iPhone policy which was always known upfront on what they stood. We have people sourcing Fox, sorry Fox is not something to even waste time reading. Wow apple fanboys are starting to scare me lately. Time to crawl away from MR
 
*edit* I suffered from premature exclamation there but my point stands. It is beginning to seem like closed source benevolence is restricted to underdogs. As soon as the marketshare grows, so does the arrogance. I, too have been running Ubuntu as well as OS X. In my case it's been for over a year. Will I miss OS X? Of course but Apple's "way" and my principles have been gradually parting company for a while now...
I'd much prefer people who wish to leave the Mac platform just GO and not talk about going because they don't understand the context of what is going on. Discuss why you left Mac on some Ubuntu forum somewhere, but if you're here, at least show that you understand what's really being fought here. Right now, we have TWO mainstream consumer operating systems. Windows and MacOS. Apple could disengage from major studios, content providers, and carrier agreements, and declare that iTunes and iPhone are DRM free and that they are shipping their phone unlocked, and hope carriers provide most of their services to the phone in the absence of any direct agreements with Apple. They could concentrate their music efforts on Independant labels like eMusic does, and satisfy themselves with being a very niche player in the broader scope of things.

Or they can FIGHT. They can compromise and broker "deals" that while far from ideal, actually push the consumer experience and expectations higher and farther than it has been up to that point. It's what they do best. You can have fun with your Ubuntu as your SOLE platform. Maybe you'll appreciate the isolation and relative obscurity. Personally, I get excited whenever I see Macs being used in mainstream media, and I'm encouraged whenever I see a company catar to products I already own. What use is being "open", when your disconnected from the mainstream? For most people, its much better to PUSH the mainstream (however hard it might be), than to retreat from it and wait for other consumer voices to do all the heavy lifting.

~ CB
 
If you let 90 days decide your withdrawal from the Mac community, you really DO seem to make decisions willy nilly. Instead of sticking around and fighting for what you believe in (if you've indeed worked that out), you're withdrawing to another platform with the expectation that your decision has some coherent impact, when Apple is selling more laptops than ever.

Clearly, something else more substantial is influencing your decision than a 3 month span where Apple is deciding how and when to expand its developer options for a new platform. Many Mac users have access to Ubuntu, as its ready to install by default with VMWare.

What if in January Apple released a stable 3rd party SDK for native iPhone applications? What if in June of next year, they have a fully realized platform for delivering new paid/free applications to iPhone via iTunes? Would that make your decision now SMART or UNINFORMED? You might criticise Apple for not disclosing its long-term plans, but I certainly don't. That's what competition, trade secrets, and lead time are all about.

~ CB
Its not only the iPhone mess, trust me. There are other factors that are playing in me wanting to move away from OS X in favor of Linux.

Im not under the impression that Apple is supposed to tuck me in at night & tell me a bedtime story. They are a company, they have shareholders, Steve is CEO, his job is to make them all happy, capitalism, etc. Apple has always been in that business. I totally get that.

However, lately it seems different, to me anyways. They always cared about making money, but they also cared about their loyal customers like no other company I can remember. And they were the most "open" out of all the computer companies too since back in the IBM vs Apple days. They preached freedom A LOT back in those days. And I honestly truly think they believed this sorta thing & it was part of their values.

Nowadays, they seem to be doing the exact opposite. And apparently Steve's idea of "freedom" is trading one proprietary locked-in company for another. Every update of OS X, iLife, etc seem to get a bit more proprietary instead of promoting openness. The "locked-in" feeling is becoming more & more apparent.

I feel like its 1984 all over again. I always felt that Macintosh & iPhone have a lot of eerie similarities. If you look back in history, Jobsey was also holding on too tight to his baby at that time as well (Macintosh) as far as 3rd party software development, etc & even though it was a groundbreaking machine, it flopped hard for quite a while & people eventually went with the other guys cause they were open to developers, other brands of machines, etc & Apple became a niche in the market that they once dominated with the Apple II. Jobs was canned, Gates "borrowed" Apple's OS & had a deal with IBM for his Windows, so here we are.

I feel like he's doing the same damn thing with iPhone. Even the launch, all the crazy hype, the controversy, etc are all pretty similar to then & now in a creepy way. I just hope he doesn't make the same mistake twice, but I think he is & believe history is repeating itself.

So, this IS a big deal to me. Im not happy about it & really wish things could be different. And im positively sure they will not miss me one bit & will continue to innovate & sell a ton of products. But, I cant get behind a company who pulls these sorta things. I'd rather struggle a bit tweaking an open-source OS then to just settle for one that I've grown to love but don't believe in the company who produces it anymore. I take this stuff pretty serious. So, iPhone wasnt the sole reason, it was just "the straw" so to speak.

I personally dont like the direction Apple is going. I think they are giving in to corporate greediness. Its just my opinion though.
 
Quality over quantity any day. Nissan has a bigger market share than Porsche. And while Nissan makes a good car (better than MS can make software) I think I'll stick with the Porsche.
As has been stated in other places, Apple's share is larger than BMW or Mercedes in their markets. Works for me. Apple stock has been a much better investment as well, so I guess it works on all levels. Quality first!
Apple neither Porsche nor BMW. Those cars have superior performance, powerful engines, and very expensive parts. Apple have nothing of powerful and expencive, except design and perfect user interfaces. Apple rather like Fiat in a body of Alfa Romeo
 
Wow. They hysteria here is really something.

Anybody who bought an iPhone expecting it to be anything more than a flash-based iPod with a phone and a web browser bolted on it (and tied to an expensive and tightly-locked provider) was being a little foolish.

Anybody SCREAMING about how horrible Apple is because this 1.0 phone product failed to meet their wild expectations (even though it meets every promise Apple has ever made about it) is being ridiculous.

Any "long-time Apple user" proclaiming they are taking their ball and going home, in particular holding a fire-sale of all their Apple products just so they can divorce themselves of a company who they have abruptly decided to dislike... are either lying or they are complete idiots.

I saw the iPhone and said, "huh... No SDK, no SIM-swapping, limited ring-tone support, tiny storage due to lack of a hard drive, slow data network, expensive provider... No thanks." If the *next* iPhone is a little better (or if the current one is improved over time), I'll take another look and maybe even buy one.

I currently tote around an 80GB iPod and a RAZR everywhere I go, and also a laptop to MOST of the places I go. If there was a single pocket-size gadget which could replace all three of these gadgets effectively 100 percent of the time, I would gladly shell out a fortune for it.

Basically, my dream phone is an OS X version of the Newton with Wi-Fi & GSM connectivity. Here's hoping the 2nd Generation iPhone is something more like that.
 
I bought an iPhone the day it came out. I clearly remember the activation process requiring me to agree to terms of useage, which clearly stated stipulations to the effect that I agree to not alter the hardware or software and if I did, I would lose access to warranty service.

If I was to -not- agree to those terms, I should return the unit where I purchased it. I clicked on the button indicating that I read the agreement and that I agreed to it's terms.

I presume that everyone had to go through that same process?

No one made any individual buy this $400 to $600 phone. It was a consumer's individual choice to make. Agreeing to the terms and conditions was an individual's choice to make. No one made anyone violate those terms and conditions... it was an individual's choice to make.

Furthermore, the software update posted by Apple wasn't mandatory. In days leading up to the release of the update, Apple publically warned iPhone users online that the software was likely to break phones that had been tampered with, in ways violating the original terms and conditions. In front of me, I have a screenshot of a notice offered by the 1.1.1 update. It reads "Warning: Apple has discovered that some of the unauthorized unlocking programs available on the internet may cause irreparable damage.... making unauthorized modifications to the software on your iPhone violates the iPhone software license agreement, and the inability to use your iPhone due to unauthorized software modifications is not covered under your iPhone's warranty".

No one made any iPhone owner disregard that notice, some of which was typed in boldface fonts, and install the update, anyway.

If, for some reason, I decided to violate those terms and conditions, I would hope that I would be enough of an adult to live with the consequences of my decision. At a very minimum, I would hope that people wouldn't yell at retail employees for something that the retail employee had no involvement with. The employee didn't force anyone to buy the phone, the employee didn't force anyone to agree to the terms and conditions of service, the employee didn't encourage anyone to violate those terms and conditions, the employee didn't blind anyone to the public warnings, the employee didn't force anyone to apply the update, and the employee certainly didn't write those terms and conditions.

If there's a lawsuit to be found in this, I only hope that the employee files assualt charges against the customer. That's not very realistic, obviously, but it's the only thing that makes any basic sense to me, in this scenario...


100% agree,
its about time that some egoistic people honor the contracts they do or just don't buy the product or service, start taking responsiblity for your actions damn! I just think that most of the consumers deserve the brick they created themselves. Stop mess around with things were you have no clue about what your are doing and especially if you have been warned and agreed to a deal BEFORE!
:p

With regards to the sim unlocking dealers/hackers, they are just free-riders making their profit on your risk. no basis to complain :confused:
Rather sue them :)

3rd party apps, will come just be patient....just don't hack them into the iphone but rather should the developers make them browser based.
I for my part prefer a more secure and stable product even if I sacrifice some apps for the time being until it is properly implemented or available.
If you can't live without those hacks, face the risk of loosing them with an update. Likely that some nice SW will be sold via the wifi store in the future anyhow... :)
 
Well, you better tell that to Nokia, Blackberry's, etc cause they are breaking the "rules". That analogy just doesnt hold water, dude. Apple is setting their own rules on this one. "Think Different" indeed.

Yes they are setting them, its their product and you agreed to the terms if you bought it, so the analogy is quite good.
Buy the Nokia or Blackberry instead if you feel their terms are better for you. Its your free choice, thats how the market works.
 
100% agree,
its about time that some egoistic people honor the contracts they do or just don't buy the product or service, start taking responsiblity for your actions damn! I just think that most of the consumers deserve the brick they created themselves. Stop mess around with things were you have no clue about what your are doing and especially if you have been warned and agreed to a deal BEFORE!
Well, what do you have to say to the people who bought the phone straight up at the Apple Store, didn't activate the phone through iTunes & didnt agree to the terms in the first place??

And before anyone says it, nobody agreed to any terms by actually buying the phone. They didn't sign anything. They paid their money, took THEIR equipment home & that was it.

Is it fair that they have a bricked phone now?? Most who did this didnt expect Apple to roll out the red carpet & support them, but I dont think anyone really expected end up with a dead phone by Apple's hand.

The 3rd party apps didnt brick the phone, Apple did. If it was just an "accident", then why did they lock down this version's firmware tighter than a nun's hooha??
 
I think there should be a way to at least get Garageband and Logic songs as ringtones. The boss tune from the game I'm working on would be quite nice as a ringtone.
 
I saw the iPhone and said, "huh... No SDK, no SIM-swapping, limited ring-tone support, tiny storage due to lack of a hard drive, slow data network, expensive provider... No thanks." If the *next* iPhone is a little better (or if the current one is improved over time), I'll take another look and maybe even buy one.

I said something similar, but a different specific list. But, basically, "closed application ecosystem, no bluetooth keyboard support, tiny storage, bad provider, no thanks". And when the iPod Touch came out, more of the same. And my research lead me to the Nokia N800.

I currently tote around an 80GB iPod and a RAZR everywhere I go, and also a laptop to MOST of the places I go. If there was a single pocket-size gadget which could replace all three of these gadgets effectively 100 percent of the time, I would gladly shell out a fortune for it.

Basically, my dream phone is an OS X version of the Newton with Wi-Fi & GSM connectivity. Here's hoping the 2nd Generation iPhone is something more like that.

I don't need/expect 1 device to do all of it. I like the unix ideal: each (program/device) does one thing exceedingly well, and uses standard interfaces to interact with each other. What I don't want is to have to juggle all 3 devices (MP3 storage, PDA, cell phone). Luckily, bluetooth solves that problem.


In the unix command-line world, the standard interface is done via the pipe. Every program doesn't need to have a built-in "sort" option. You just do "program1 | sort". Similarly, they don't need to all have pagination programs, just "program1 | sort | more". And since it's a standard, well documented interface (STDIN/STDOUT), program1 doesn't need to know anything about the existence of sort or more. Similarly, sort doesn't need to know about the others, nor does more. In fact, I can drop in to that pipeline a replacement, if a better one comes along. Such as "program1 | sort | less". I can extend the functionality of any STDIN/STDOUT program without knowing anything about the internal workings of the other programs in the pipeline. I just need to know the exact format of the data it reads in, or spits out.

In the Nextstep/OSX world, this is done via Filters&Services (a tragically unsung part of the environment since Apple acquired the OS). Filters&Services is exactly the GUI analog to the unix pipeline.

In the mobile device world, it's done via bluetooth.

I don't need an 80GB mp3 player. I need any good solid MP3 player, and a device like the Seagate D.A.V.E. (bluetooth hard drive).

For me, the dream is:

1) a cellular/wimax/wwan and maybe wifi wireless gateway device that talks wifi and/or bluetooth to other tightly bound devices. It doesn't need to have ANY direct user interface at all, but a very basic phone interface is probably a good idea. Otherwise, it's just going to sit in my pocket/backpack/briefcase/etc. I will never touch it except to plug it in for recharging.

2) a wireless storage device, like the D.A.V.E., which will hold my music and/or documents, etc. If I can have 2 or 3 of them, I might have 1 for music, 1 for documents, 1 for my "home directory environment".

3) a user interface device. In my current view, a Nokia N800 with the following added to it:
a) a SIP phone client (coming soon, it's in beta)
b) a Bluetooth Handset client (ie. use the Nokia as the mic/speakers/dialer/caller-id display for the wireless gateway device; they make devices that do that for your car, so why not software for that on your PDA?)
c) more/better syncing options for syncing local contacts, bookmarks, calendar, and to do lists with your desktop and/or online services (like google apps, .mac, etc.).
d) there's some rumors the next gen will have a slide-out keyboard... I'm agnostic about it, as I see them as not very ergonomically sound... but a micro-laptop/tablet format, where the screen can twist to face away from the keyboard ... that I'd love.
In order for the iPhone or the "Newton 2" to fill this role, it would need all of that, plus those 3rd party apps (not because 3a-3d require it, but because that's already there on the Nokia, so I didn't need to list it).


As a long time Linux hater, and hater of X-Windows based GUI's, I'm very surprised at just how much I really love the N800 and the "hildon" UI. At this point, I don't care if the above user facing device is delivered by Apple or by Nokia as the next-gen of the N800. That's how much I like the N800. After 15 years thinking that Nextstep/OSX were lightyears ahead of any other UI on the planet ... I've found a Linux UI I can live with.


Now, with some finesse, Apple could in fact deliver all 3 of those devices next year:

a) Add bluetooth to the iPod classic, letting it export music to other Apple devices.

b) Allow the iPhone to be remote controlled, via bluetooth, by other Apple devices ... and allow other devices to route IP traffic through the iPhone (bluetooth DUN tethering, and/or bluetooth PAN).

c) Release the Newton 2 as an iPod-Touch with 3rd party app capability, more bluetooth support (DUN, SPP, HDI, and PAN), and the full suite of iPhone apps (with the bluetooth remote dialer/handset capabilities I outlined above, in place of the direct phone capability). Or, if the Newton 2 is going to be a bigger-than-iPhone device, still do this, but also expand the capabilities iPod-Touch to fill the same role. So, basically the iPod Touch becomes a "Newton 2 lite" (in terms of size, but not in terms of software). You can choose to have a PDA (expanded iPod Touch) or a note-pad side tablet (same capabilities in a larger screen size).



Then you leave the iPhone in your backpack/briefcase/purse/jacket-pocket, along with your iPod Classic .... and use your iPod Touch or Newton 2 to control all of it.

In that case, each device excels at a particular niche of the ecosystem:

1) iPod Classic for storage and basic solid music player. It's your mobile storage system.

2a) Newton 2 (small form factor) / iPod Touch (with extras I mention above) for superior UI (compared to the Classic) and app suite flexibility (compared to the iPhone); it's your PDA.

or

2b) Newton 2 (larger tablet form factor) for larger workspace capability

3) iPhone for communication with the world. It's your wireless network gateway.


Each can stand alone. #'s 2-3 all have wifi, web browser, iTunes music store. #1 is the same basic and useful iPod we're all used to, with gobs more storage than #'s 2-3. You can use #1 as the same iPod you've been using for years, only with 80-160 GB of storage. You can use #2 as a standalone PDA with add-on applications, and as a 8-16 GB music player. You can use #3 as a cell phone with a limited (non-expanding) suite of software, and as a 8-16GB music player.

But, together, connected to each other via bluetooth, they become something more. It becomes a flexible mobile application environment that has a good amount of storage, an expandable application suite, and a solid and stable WAN interface. Add a bluetooth keyboard and a stand for the #2, and you've got a micro-workstation, as well.

Unfortunately for Apple, Nokia has a head start. The N800 plus any bluetooth DUN enabled cell phone and a Seagate D.A.V.E. will pretty much give you the same thing. The only question is whether or not the N800 has support for D.A.V.E. (I don't know). But, at least the N800 lets me swap around the flash storage, in the mean time.
 
Its not only the iPhone mess, trust me. There are other factors that are playing in me wanting to move away from OS X in favor of Linux.

Im not under the impression that Apple is supposed to tuck me in at night & tell me a bedtime story. They are a company, they have shareholders, Steve is CEO, his job is to make them all happy, capitalism, etc. Apple has always been in that business. I totally get that.

However, lately it seems different, to me anyways. They always cared about making money, but they also cared about their loyal customers like no other company I can remember. And they were the most "open" out of all the computer companies too since back in the IBM vs Apple days. They preached freedom A LOT back in those days. And I honestly truly think they believed this sorta thing & it was part of their values.

Nowadays, they seem to be doing the exact opposite. And apparently Steve's idea of "freedom" is trading one proprietary locked-in company for another. Every update of OS X, iLife, etc seem to get a bit more proprietary instead of promoting openness. The "locked-in" feeling is becoming more & more apparent.

I feel like its 1984 all over again. I always felt that Macintosh & iPhone have a lot of eerie similarities. If you look back in history, Jobsey was also holding on too tight to his baby at that time as well (Macintosh) as far as 3rd party software development, etc & even though it was a groundbreaking machine, it flopped hard for quite a while & people eventually went with the other guys cause they were open to developers, other brands of machines, etc & Apple became a niche in the market that they once dominated with the Apple II. Jobs was canned, Gates "borrowed" Apple's OS & had a deal with IBM for his Windows, so here we are.

I feel like he's doing the same damn thing with iPhone. Even the launch, all the crazy hype, the controversy, etc are all pretty similar to then & now in a creepy way. I just hope he doesn't make the same mistake twice, but I think he is & believe history is repeating itself.

So, this IS a big deal to me. Im not happy about it & really wish things could be different. And im positively sure they will not miss me one bit & will continue to innovate & sell a ton of products. But, I cant get behind a company who pulls these sorta things. I'd rather struggle a bit tweaking an open-source OS then to just settle for one that I've grown to love but don't believe in the company who produces it anymore. I take this stuff pretty serious. So, iPhone wasnt the sole reason, it was just "the straw" so to speak.

I personally dont like the direction Apple is going. I think they are giving in to corporate greediness. Its just my opinion though.

Hate to piss in your Wheaties, but the bulk of Linux progress comes from Major World Corporations. The lead Linux Developers are all working for companies ranging from OSI to Google, to Apple, to IBM, to RedHat, to AMD, to Novell, etc.

The bulk of the platform support for KDE and GNOME comes from Corporate sponsorship and Governments.

Linux is every bit about making money as OS X. It's how the pie is focused that varies.

Linux isn't Hardware: They focus on Services since Shrinkwrap isn't their market, ala Microsoft.

In the end, No Money, no Game, No Jobs, Economies crash.

: Run Debian Sid for the past 6 years. Run OS X since NeXTSTEP 3.1. Ran Windows from 3.0 to XP. Ran MacOS from 7.x - 9. Ran DEC OSF/1 and HP-UX for work and university back in the days.

Worked for NeXT and Apple.

If you get this excited about a Phone I can't imagine what it would do to you if something that really mattered in life didn't fit your demands.
 
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