iPhone 1.1.1 Aftermath

[X38]

Ten-fold!?
I've GOT to see the apps you're running. One of them a transporter?

I'm a mechanical designer by trade and am always jotting down sketches on scraps of paper. For years I have wanted a convenient pocket sized device able to make electronic sketches. For me the new 'Sketches' application that is now available for the iPhone will be invaluable in my work, all the more so because it lets me sketch on top of things that I take a picture of and then send those sketches out by email. Sure, this is probably a niche product for most people that Apple may never get around to on their own, but it dramatically increases the usefulness of the iPhone for me. I'm sure there are and will be other applications which are just as important to other groups of folks. Which after all is the whole point of 3rd party development, is it not? If it were otherwise, we'd all be using descendants of the Ti99/4A on our desktops.

I don't buy this just be patient apology for one second. Apple made a big deal about the iPhone being the first phone with a 'real' computer OS. An OS with years of 3rd party development experience. But they went deliberately out of their way to prevent that development community from providing products for this new device. Apple is certainly one of the better companies out there and they have made some wonderful products, but they have also made mistakes. This is one of their biggest mistakes and they have a very limited window in which to regain consumer confidence

 

[russellb]

1) a few hardcore power users who wanted to jump the gun on features that will be along soon enough (Apple is not, believe it or not, stupid), or

2) Suduku junkies
can't get their features RIGHT NOW!!!! (stomp footsies for emphasis.)
.

Again I think thats the point , "will be along soon enough (Apple is not, believe it or not, stupid)"

Apple should already have it in place .. if the open community can come up with a system, installer, uninstaller etc from scratch in such a short amount of time .. While Apple has had years to develop the product THEY ARE SIMPLY DROPPING THE BALL.

RE: "Suduku junkies"

While I am not one and have never played it ... look how popular it is ! If a silly game (sorry Suduko fans) can sell hunders of thousands of Iphones then it's not such a silly game ...

Apple need to give the market what it wants .. not what Apple thinks the market needs.

Look at Itunes and Movies ... Itunes music caught everyone in the market and their competitors off guard and they got a massive lead. BUT movies are different , the competition and certain suppliers have worked to block and stop Apple being a massive success with moves and TV as they were with music.

With the Iphone many competitors etc will be working hard to counter it and stop them getting a lead .... If Apple don't give the market what they want RIGHT NOW Apple's competitors will dilute the market with inferior products but good enough to draw customers away.

It may be a great product, It may be ahead of it time and anything else in the market

BUT that does not mean it will succeed.

 

[slinky0390]

i can see the big deal about unlocking the phone, even though some say it is illegal to not let someone unlock their phone. but to completely close off the iphone to 3rd party software is pretty dumb in my book. its almost like the whole censorship of the media thing, if you dont like it, change the channel.. if people didnt want a hacked iphone, they didnt need to do it. people that did want to hack theirs and install software for personal use or development should be able to do so. ive seen people buy a mac and use boot camp to run vista as a primary os, thats their decision. i personally think apple should lighten up. but its their product their choice.

 

[wizard]

To be honest, I have no problem with what they are doing. If you want a phone to hack or mess with, go with a different company. If Apple doesn't want you to mess with there stuff, why would you buy it to hack in the first place?

Err... for one thing once you buy it, it becomes YOUR STUFF.

Second; the iPhone at least a week of so ago was the first really powerful platform that you could pocket. For many of us the iPhone would, with the proper auxiliary software (third party apps) would nearly eliminate the need for any sort of laptop.

In any event if Apple doesn't change its tune there certainly will be new phones on the market to compete with the iPhone. Unfortunately there is nothing yet that really matches the hardware feature set of an iPhone. There is stuff coming but such is likely still months away. The iPhone use to represent the best platform available to build an hand held computing device on. Now it is pretty much in the same league as a $19 cell phone.

Dave


Dave

 

[Stella]

I want security and that may stop the unapproved and unsupported hard work of others.

That is the function of the OS. If mobile-OSX cannot give you that security then its not mature.


Look at the security model of Symbian. If your application is self signed then you are limited to how you can access the OS and phone firmware. If you want more, then you have to have your application assessed and thus getting a more priviledged certificate for your application.

 

[DMann]

Malware

Hope waiting for more malware is worth it because the update has my iPhones running very smoothly and fast. The fixes have really smoothed things out. The earpiece level alone is worth dumping the apps for. I ran apps and loaded ringtones, changed my home screen around the first 2 months. No more. It was a mess.
Been there, Done that. I'll wait for the real thing so my phone will run at top speed with less glitches.

You're right - After installing Dock 2, things slowed down noticeably. After dumping those apps which bogged down overall snappiness, I've kept 12 really useful apps running with no slowdown at all. Raising the earpiece sound level is hardly an incentive to update, since my hearing is still good, and WiFi access to the iTunes store ain't worth giving up the lot.

 

[russellb]

Um, it already IS the fastest booming 'smart PDA phone out there'.
.

umm sorry for that .. It is already the fastest selling PDA smart phone out there BUT that in no way indicates that it will stay that way or continue to do so.

Hell if you have such a vocal and enthusiastic market why would you choose to work against that.

All I can say is if Windows mobile , Palm etc can be open and allow 3rd party Apps how can Apple not expect an uproar when they release the best PDA phone in history and lock it down ?

Stupid

 

[jstad]

I can understand Apple's move to block attempts at unlocking the phone from AT&T, but the 3rd party development part just seems kind of stupid unless they are going to have some way for 3rd-party devs to get their app like "iPhone certified"

 

[kzin]

Back in November before the official iPhone announcement, I heard information from a friend inside Apple. He said that the iPhone was going to be announced in January - which was true. He also told me that the first model was a more restricted, kind of "Light" model. The "real" or more smartphone-like model was coming later and would co-exist. So far, after reading this and the newton 2 rumors, and his previous record of being right (he told me about 802.11n and the 24-inch iMac as well) - I think this is what is really going on here.

iPhone Pro.

Yup. Makes a lot more sense.

The iPhone is a mid-range phone that beats mid-range phones on their own feature-sets. Better Web browser. Better basic PIM capability. Better music player. But that's all it is. Apple even said so: "It's an iPod, a phone, and an internet [browsing] device". They didn't say "this is our PDA", did they?

The iPod Touch is just a 2nd tier (storage capacity wise) iPod with a better interface than the wheel based iPods, wifi, and a web-browser. And, again, they said "it's an iPhone without the phone" ... which I took, in the past to mean "smartphone - phone = PDA" ... but if the iPhone isn't intended to be a smartphone, then that equation changes quite a bit.

It would also make sense to me that these two products are, in some sense, testing the waters for Apple, and their return to the PDA market. Both in terms of "will our interface and platform be well received?" and "what missing features will the market demand we put into them?"

I really think that whatever is coming next (iPhone Pro, Newton 2, whatever) will be the PDA and Smartphone offering.

 

[GQB]

Gotta bail on this fun discussion (I know, I know... don't let the door hitcha and all that.)
But one parting thought...
A lot of us (even myself at times) have to get used to the fact that the company's name is now Apple Inc... not Apple Computer Inc. That was not an insignificant change. Its a consumer electronics company now.

As long ago as 1984, I remember Steve referring to his desire to produce a computing 'toaster'. We all know that he sees the road to ruin as allowing too many hands in the soup. (mixed, <and painful> metaphors.) He wants to make great appliances, not live in the little slice of heaven we know as the 'developer community.'

To think that he's going to take a tabla rasa platform like this and just throw it open to uncontrolled development right out of the gate is flat out silly.

The vast population that will form the financial bedrock for this product really don't care about anything except what it does out of the box, or when those mysterious bonus things arrive via update over the next year or two.

And finally, don't pretend that Apple is or ever has been an open platform. Apple software exists to sell Apple hardware. If Jobs decides that 3rd party apps will sell more iPhones, they'll be enabled quicker than you can blink. Those who think Apple is misjudging the market clearly have keener insight than does the company that's had an 80% rise in stock value since January.

I'd advise you to start your own company.
Until then, buy one of those nifty keen-o chiclet phones.

I'll keep my iPhone.

 

[megfilmworks]

YRaising the earpiece sound level is hardly an incentive to update, since my hearing is still good, and WiFi access to the iTunes store ain't worth giving up the lot.

Being an ex rocker, I guess my hearing isn't, and I like my iTunes wifi.
Hopefully a couple of years out we will have awesome apps and a evolving form factor.

 

[mmulin]

yea & nea

i agree on locking down the possibility to use another sim in the phone. however, having now a proper OS on the device, inclusive the iPt, it is beyond my grasp why apple doesn't want to provide a legal way for users to expand the devices to needs and liking. it is just a difference between a very cool HW & SW, imho, but artificially crippling the platform. i hope mr. jobs will get behind the thought eventually. after all, my mac doesn't only run ilife and fcp as well.

 

[X38]

Being an ex rocker, I guess my hearing isn't, and I like my iTunes wifi.
Hopefully a couple of years out we will have awesome apps and a evolving form factor.

A couple of days back we ALREADY had 'awsome apps and an evolving form factor', but now (for no good reason) we don't. (Except those of use who refuse to downgrade to 1.1.1.) That is the whole point of why Apple is being so stupid in this case.

 

[kzin]

A couple of days back we ALREADY had 'awsome apps and an evolving form factor', but now (for no good reason) we don't. (Except those of use who refuse to downgrade to 1.1.1.) That is the whole point of why Apple is being so stupid in this case.

I'm willing to bet that, a couple days ago, no, you didn't have the product you thought you had. What you had was a light version of the product you wanted ... and you were willing to hack it until it was able to be the product you wanted.

But, as I stated a few posts back, I think the product you (and I, and everyone else who finds the missing pieces to be a huge void) want is coming out next year.

 

[scoobierules]

Ringtones

the only issue i have is the way they are handling ringtones. i just paid 1.29 for a song and then .99 to covert it to a ringtone so that i would not have to use the crappy one that came with the phone. Not to mention that i already owned the song that i bought again since they disabled itoner. I am really losing my loyalty to apple since they seem to care about nothing but profits and forget taking care of the customers. the iphone has been a disaster from day one and I am sure it will continue. Let the lawsuits begin! Isn't that what microsoft got sued for, not allowing access to their system?


not to mention the caps key does not work on my new imac!!!!!!!!!!

 

[megfilmworks]

The iPhone I want hasn't been invented yet, but until then I will just have to make do with the one that has.

 

[GQB]

the only issue i have is the way they are handling ringtones. i just paid 1.29 for a song and then .99 to covert it to a ringtone so that i would not have to use the crappy one that came with the phone. Not to mention that i already owned the song that i bought again since they disabled itoner. I am really losing my loyalty to apple since they seem to care about nothing but profits and forget taking care of the customers. the iphone has been a disaster from day one and I am sure it will continue. Let the lawsuits begin! Isn't that what microsoft got sued for, not allowing access to their system?


not to mention the caps key does not work on my new imac!!!!!!!!!!

Have you ever bought a ringtone for another phone?
Apple's price is cheap compared to most I've seen.
Also, vent at the Music Labels, not Apple if you're so pissed off. Apple does not set conditions of use for copyrighted material.
I look forward to being able to convert my own sounds to tasteful ringtones.
Finally, anyone who uses whole snippets of songs as 'ringtones' should be shot.

 

[Stella]

Have you ever bought a ringtone for another phone?
Apple's price is cheap compared to most I've seen.
Also, vent at the Music Labels, not Apple if you're so pissed off. Apple does not set conditions of use for copyrighted material.
I look forward to being able to convert my own sounds to tasteful ringtones.
Finally, anyone who uses whole snippets of songs as 'ringtones' should be shot.

There's no reason why Apple shouldn't let users freely upload ringtones.

As I said before, RIAA would be going after SE, Nokia et al - but they aren't. iPhone sales is chicken feed in comparison to the market leaders.

 

[twoodcc]

well hopefully they'll get apptapp on 1.1.1 soon

 

[c.greene914]

What gets me is the people who read what the update entails on this forum, update their iPhone anyway, and then whine and complain because it's not what the want it to be. If you know full and well what to expect from Apple, the company who released the product, and quite honestly, has the right to do anything they want with it, why be butthurt from an update you know is going to disable your hacks that were against contractually agreements in the first place. Either deal with it like an adult, or don't update the firmware.

I don't have any problem with what Apple is doing. They developed the product, spent all the R&D perfecting it, and released it for them to make money. Apple is still a profitable company, no matter how some idealistic forum members may have built them up. Granted, I wish I could put free ringtones on my iPhone, but I understand the reasons why I can't, yet.

I also understand that when I bought the iPhone, I bought a phone that was exclusively Apple, and exclusivle AT&T from the get-go. It was very clear. I didn't get into anything I wasn't expecting and neither should anyone else have. Before it was ever released, the expectations that came along with the iPhone were well stated, and clearly outlined.

I'll admit the iPhone is not perfect, but maybe if Apple could spend the time developing updates to enhance the capabilities of the iPhone instead of figuring out ways to stop consumers from hacking into their product, the phone would already be better than it is. Instead, time is spent preventing 3rd party apps that may or may not be detrimental to the functionality of them phone, instead of improving the functionality of the phone.

I for one, would like to see all the whining and complaining about the iPhone come to a stop, although I know that won't happen. But, at least, maybe, we can handle it like adults, and expect reasonable things from a company that gives reasonable products to its consumers.

/rant

 

[rjwill246]

There's no reason why Apple shouldn't let users freely upload ringtones.

As I said before, RIAA would be going after SE, Nokia et al - but they aren't. iPhone sales is chicken feed in comparison to the market leaders.

Really?? Wrong as usual. The music companies do not consider the making of ringtones from songs you own a fair use. Personally, I think that is terrible but the music companies ARE terrible. To get just what you want onto many phones requires a hack of some sort and, as I have tried unsuccessfully with a number of colleagues' phones, many simply won't allow any song to be added as a ringtone. So, this shutout is NOT an Apple exclusive.

Now, should you be able to add bought songs for nothing? I think so, but that is NOT an Apple issue re: the iPhone. Should you also be able to add any sounds that are not covered by royalties to your iPhone via iTunes?-- you bet and here Apple is being silly.

 

[X38]

[...] But, as I stated a few posts back, I think the product you (and I, and everyone else who finds the missing pieces to be a huge void) want is coming out next year.

Yes, I read those posts; 'Newton 2' and such. I thought it the perfect analogy for this situation. Apple once again invented an entire new product category (PDA) with an incredibly advanced technology (Newton). But due to their own arrogance and refusal to bend to the desires of the market, they ended up being driven from the market they created and losing a ton of money on a could-have-been product that nearly wrecked the company. As I said in a previous post, 1.1.1 has pointed the iPhone towards the path of being Son of Newton.

Apple has the technology lead now and they need to move on it now. Next year their competitors will just be that much closer to catching up and maybe even passing them. If they still had work to do, it would be understandable, but they don't. The point is that Apple is just being arrogant and stubborn; to repeat myself, the same situation that killed the original Newton.

Besides, I already spent my $600. I don't want to spend it again when the product I have can already do what I want. No company in a competitive market can afford to treat its customers with that kind of greed.

 

[F.D.]

I smell a lawsuit coming and fast. I was just in the apple store and a guy was in there with his locked iphone because of this update. They told him he hacked it and there was nothing he could do. He was yelling like mad. I felt bad for him. Its freakin wrong of apple and they deserve to get sued.

No they don't. Apple made it very clear that AT&T was an exclusive carrier, and that the phone was locked. Unlocking is at the owner's risk. Just like getting your Playstation chipped.

 

[Stella]

You didn't answer my question, since when do you see RIAA going after Nokia et al? They don't. Some phones even come with ring tone editor software!!

If some one creates their own ring tone ( musician ) or have previously purchased ring tones for a previous phone, why should they not be able to freely load these on to the iPhone? Why? Answer me that!!!

Your experience of ring tones and phones is very very strange. Every phone I've come across is able to add ring tones, even phones from 1998!! Some of those phones even have ring tone composers built in! Maybe you bought an extremely basic, dirt cheap phone on contract?

Apple is charging for ring phones for pure and utter greed.

Oh, btw I'm ignoring your flame baits -
"wrong as usual"

EDIT:
You live in the states? well, no wonder you've seen some crap phones. I wouldn't touch a lot of them with a barge poll, or neither would I take them if I was paid..!

Some times the phones have the capable, but that capable is crippled by the carrier - they will disable functionality that will take away revenue for added services such as ringtones, wallpapers etc.

Really?? Wrong as usual. The music companies do not consider the making of ringtones from songs you own a fair use. Personally, I think that is terrible but the music companies ARE terrible. To get just what you want onto many phones requires a hack of some sort and, as I have tried unsuccessfully with a number of colleagues' phones, many simply won't allow any song to be added as a ringtone. So, this shutout is NOT an Apple exclusive.

Now, should you be able to add bought songs for nothing? I think so, but that is NOT an Apple issue re: the iPhone. Should you also be able to add any sounds that are not covered by royalties to your iPhone via iTunes?-- you bet and here Apple is being silly.

 

[TurboSC]

yea I know a lot of people are complaining, just give it some time.. it'll be back to the way it was.