Oh I hope so, so that those idiots that cracked their iPhone can tell the judge how they disregarded Apple EULA and even after being warned their phone is jacked. The judge will probably lock them up instead of Apple.
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iPhone 1.1.1 Aftermath
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Oh I hope so, so that those idiots that cracked their iPhone can tell the judge how they disregarded Apple EULA and even after being warned their phone is jacked. The judge will probably lock them up instead of Apple.
I am just trying to figure out who has been FORCED to update to 1.1.1. I mean really, dont want an iBrink and want to use apps? DONT UPGRADE!
"Some" is not universal-- go look at the specific websites that are there to help you get ringtones to your phone--- the list of phones is huge-- all of them when purchased preventing you from adding ringtones. You are dead wrong that the universal experience is to freely add ringtones FOR NOTHING. Why, may I ask is there such a massive industry based on the sale of ringtones if everyone could do it for nothing?
And, I don't have to have an answer about the RIAA-- I don't in any case but it is irrelevant. If 1+1=2 it matters not if 2+2=4.
Apple is not the culprit here as much as you love to demonize the company. Indeed, Apple does so much that is right, the few, but glaring, anomalies in how Apple has handled the iPhone is befuddling. The company is new to this area and is being a little overzealous in protecting itself. Hopefully that will change.
I have no problem with bricked phones-- all who have one asked for it to happen. No tears shed here but you have to wonder at the brains or lack thereof, of knowingly turning your phone into non-functional aluminum and glass. The category for the Darwin awards needs to be expanded---
Go reread my posts. My iPhone is still at 1.0.2, it is working great, installer.app is working great, and I can do things which are much more valuable to me than anything offered exclusively in 1.1.1. In other words, I am perfectly happy with my iPhone just the way it is and I am not whining about it at all.
If you will pay attention to what I am saying for a second, you will realize that the point is what you & I think doesn't matter. Word on the street is that Apple screws their customers. Doesn't matter for a second if it's true or not, it only matters if people believe it since nobody is obliged to buy Apple's products.
I agree with the earlier post that it was extremely childish for an irate customer to yell at a poor Apple store clerk who has no control over company policy. But how many potential iPhone customers do you think were scared off when they overheard Apple refusing service on a product perceived to still be under warranty? How many potential customer friends did they tell? How many potential customers have read about it in the news?
Who cares if Apple is 'right'? They can't afford to be 'right' at the expense of their customers.
The only good thing about all of you apologists on this thread who stubbornly refuse to see the obvious is that at least you have prolonged the conversation sufficiently to make Apple's mistake glaringly obvious for all open minded observers.
....and the man is now very upset because the house burned down he takes a gun and shoots someone, then sues the goverment for making up laws/agreements like 23.4.1 prohibiting him to use the gun the way he wants
.... and so on.... 
Show me an affordable place to buy 160 gigs of flash memory?
or show me how responive iphone/touch would be with a hard disk?
Whatever. I had written something more poignant but realized I would be lowering myself to your level.
Where are the Macrumors moderators? Shouldn't someone be enforcing the rules and regulations in regards to how people address each other on these forums? The lack of civility and respect is astonishing, it's disgusting. Would you treat someone this way in person whom you just met? Chances are if you did, you wouldn't do it much often.
I agree 100%
Please folks I mean no offense...but this is is the deal with this mobile phone and Apple in general. For anyone even remotely familiar with Apple it should not come as a surprise. I loved my iPhone before the update and even more so after.
There are plenty of other places to get what you want. If it were me I would go there. This complaining and whining insults your intelligence.
There are much bigger things in the world to be upset about.
In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing by focusing in on what they need to do with the phone and letting the chips fall where they may for 3rd party developers. True, Apple may be actually writing their update code to dash the hacks of 3rd party folks, that's their right. They need to protect their property.
As they offer more and more Applications on the phone, it's important for the features to be substantial and very desirable as it drives further sales for more phones. If Apple's updates are just one out of 1,000 (them vs 3rd party), then the new Application is totally missed. For instance, if they suddenly offer Instant Message on the phone... "BIG DEAL. COOLIPHONESOFTWARE CAME OUT WITH THAT MONTHS AGO". When they upgrade the software, it's got to be a big deal. Also, they want to keep the phones of the same Quality standards. I can't blame at all for this.
As they offer more and more Applications on the phone, it's important for the features to be substantial and very desirable as it drives further sales for more phones. If Apple's updates are just one out of 1,000 (them vs 3rd party), then the new Application is totally missed. For instance, if they suddenly offer Instant Message on the phone... "BIG DEAL. COOLIPHONESOFTWARE CAME OUT WITH THAT MONTHS AGO". When they upgrade the software, it's got to be a big deal. Also, they want to keep the phones of the same Quality standards. I can't blame at all for this.
All of this phone locking/unlocking mess is a total scam between cell phone manufacturers and carriers and I have no sympathy for the companies that engage in it. The fact that you *purchase* a phone and then are forbidden from altering it to work on another carrier is ridiculous. It's *YOUR* phone. There has only recently been a DMCA exception that allows people to unlock their cell phones, but apparently there is nothing stopping the companies from breaking the unlocked phones with "updates".
The only thing that all of this locking nonsense has done is create a lot more waste in the form of used phones and suck money out of the consumers that have to buy them. The manufacturers and the carriers both get their cut and rake in the money. I don't believe that there is any need to lock phones to recoup discounts made at the time of purchase since you have a pay a hefty early termination fee if you don't fulfill your contract.
I will boycott the apple iPhone as long as it's locked and closed and I don't care how cool it is. I love my apple computers that I've used since the '80s, but this is a tactic to suck money from the consumer without giving them any innovation in return. I wish that steve jobs, the "environmentalist", would realize how wasteful it is to engage in this locking game and get out. I also don't see how locking can't be considered anticompetitive and prosecutable since you are basically using software tricks to break a piece of hardware that would otherwise work on a competitor's network.
The only thing that all of this locking nonsense has done is create a lot more waste in the form of used phones and suck money out of the consumers that have to buy them. The manufacturers and the carriers both get their cut and rake in the money. I don't believe that there is any need to lock phones to recoup discounts made at the time of purchase since you have a pay a hefty early termination fee if you don't fulfill your contract.
I will boycott the apple iPhone as long as it's locked and closed and I don't care how cool it is. I love my apple computers that I've used since the '80s, but this is a tactic to suck money from the consumer without giving them any innovation in return. I wish that steve jobs, the "environmentalist", would realize how wasteful it is to engage in this locking game and get out. I also don't see how locking can't be considered anticompetitive and prosecutable since you are basically using software tricks to break a piece of hardware that would otherwise work on a competitor's network.
...I haven't ever felt the need to make a comment here, though I read the news almost every day, but this is something I feel rather strongly about. And I suppose I agree with this, and will never buy an Iphone until they change their policy. And while I've always been a loyal mac user, I'm seriously starting to look @ some form of unix as an alternative for OS....I'm so incredibly disappointed with Apple's pursuit of closed systems, w/ itunes, w/ the pods, w/ the phone. And I cannot possibly see how limiting 3rd party development is going to help the iPhone, and I don't see a way that the apps necessary to make it a vital device will ever emerge. It could have been such a slam dunk! The world was behind apple. But they are blowing it big time, and there are all kinds of people like me who are seeing them as the new Microsoft and beginning to shy away. And I am so sorry to say it, it really does make me sad!
(The other more mundane thing that bugs me about the iphone isof course, the closed ringtone policy. My sony phone is kind of a pain to sync up with itunes, but, I can make my own ringtones, put my own songs as ringtones, and I really like that.)
Didn't give an idea as to when this "real" or more smartphone-like model might be coming out? "Later" is so undefinitive.
I wish I knew about the 24" iMac. Purchased the first gen Intel 20" iMac, the largest screen reale state iMac they had at the time and 6 months later came the 24"... arrgh, damn Apple's secrecy, I really would have wanted that instead!
I think third party applications should be allowed for the iPhone, just as they are for the Mac. While I do believe that it is Apple's right to prevent such applications from being made, I do not believe they should.
In fact, I go so far as to consider the disabling of 3rd party applications in 1.1.1 a bug. Hopefully, Apple will someday realize that they should fix it. Currently, they're under the delusion that it's a feature.
There must be a way around security concerns... sandboxing, perhaps? Perhaps products should be verified and tested, etc, and any that aren't will produce a warning that they could break the iPhone to where it could need a restore? In my opinion, Apple is either currently working on a way to allow true third party applications, or simply lazy.
In fact, I go so far as to consider the disabling of 3rd party applications in 1.1.1 a bug. Hopefully, Apple will someday realize that they should fix it. Currently, they're under the delusion that it's a feature.
There must be a way around security concerns... sandboxing, perhaps? Perhaps products should be verified and tested, etc, and any that aren't will produce a warning that they could break the iPhone to where it could need a restore? In my opinion, Apple is either currently working on a way to allow true third party applications, or simply lazy.
Adiós, Apple!
Guys, this is obviously about much more than just the iPhone mess & its not so much that it bothers me to never update my iPhone's firmware again. Its just the simple principal of the matter.
After 8 years of being a loyal customer, I simply DO NOT feel comfortable giving Apple anymore of my $$. I dont want to "rent" my products & thats exactly what they are started to do here. If we keep buying into them, its like saying "Thank you sir. May I have another" while they gang rape us from behind. So, its never gonna stop unless we just stop.
I mean, obviously they dont care about what their customers want. So if thats the case, then I sure as fu*k dont care about them. There are way too many options out there to screw around with them anymore.
Im already in the process of selling my MacBook, my ExtremeN & Express routers, my 12" PowerBook that I use for a media center, my iPod HiFi, etc. Im going totally open-source, thats it. Thats what its come to.
Im damn serious about this, so if anyone wants to make me an offer on any of that stuff, lemme know cause they are going on eBay this week.
Guys, this is obviously about much more than just the iPhone mess & its not so much that it bothers me to never update my iPhone's firmware again. Its just the simple principal of the matter.
After 8 years of being a loyal customer, I simply DO NOT feel comfortable giving Apple anymore of my $$. I dont want to "rent" my products & thats exactly what they are started to do here. If we keep buying into them, its like saying "Thank you sir. May I have another" while they gang rape us from behind. So, its never gonna stop unless we just stop.
I mean, obviously they dont care about what their customers want. So if thats the case, then I sure as fu*k dont care about them. There are way too many options out there to screw around with them anymore.
Im already in the process of selling my MacBook, my ExtremeN & Express routers, my 12" PowerBook that I use for a media center, my iPod HiFi, etc. Im going totally open-source, thats it. Thats what its come to.
Im damn serious about this, so if anyone wants to make me an offer on any of that stuff, lemme know cause they are going on eBay this week.
A couple of days back you had what you had due to either "jailbreaking', "hacking", "unlocking", or "installing 3rd party apps" and I'm willing to bet that that's not Apple's roadmap for the iPhones future.
I hear often, "I paid for it, it's my phone to due as I please". True. You can also buy a car, it's yours, if you please, to juice up with a turbocharger or get fancier rims, etc. However, there still are "rules of the road" everyone must follow in order to prevent a calamitous trainwreck or in this case, a 40 car pile up.
Didn't Steve say that a SDK for the iPhone wouldn't be released until it was assured that security and operability wouldn't be compromised and shortly came out with the Safari web apps solution in the interim? And that Apple is not entirely against SDK for the future?
Is it Apple's fault for some people's impatience? I bet you're the one passing me on the freeway because 65 mph in a 55 mph is still not fast enough for you! Just watch out for pile-ups...
I really think Apple will end up selling iPhone apps in iTunes Store. Via WiFi, even, and your choice whether you want to install it now or DL it to your laptop when you get home and sync-install it. I'm ready to buy them!
Well, you better tell that to Nokia, Blackberry's, etc cause they are breaking the "rules". That analogy just doesnt hold water, dude. Apple is setting their own rules on this one. "Think Different" indeed.
Actually, you've been able to buy unlocked phones, at their unsubsidized price, all along. I'm about to do that (to use the phone as a modem with my N800). Motorola KRZR K1m for EV-DO speed internet. It'll cost me $200, instead of getting it for $50 with a contract.
But that's the trade you make: pay less and be locked into a contract, pay more for the freedom you think you should have gotten by paying less.
Nothing? I hate to tell you this, but did you know that there is a reason the iPhone wasn't unlocked, and THEN had 3rd party apps start coming out? The unlocking software was accomplished due to the efforts that produced 3rd party app support, including the building of the toolchain. Without the ability to build 3rd party apps, the iPhone would NEVER have been unlocked. Does that make sense?
Easily. Interesting word. Freedom to write applications allows very extensive probing for weaknesses in any "signing" or "encryption".
You realize that getting into the phone in the first place, was always a "break-in" based on a flaw in the iPhone software? This flaw allowed the installation of apps and the eventual unlocking of the phone altogether. As I was saying, the two things are intimately related, and there are enough people out there that can't distinguish the term "jailbreak" and "unlock", that I don't even think its worthwhile defending anymore. I was even angry about it at one point, but I've given up.
If Apple began support for 3rd party apps at some point (hopefully soon), all of this will become a moot point to MOST people, and "unlocking" would truly become its own category... one MOST iPhone users would not care about.
~ CB
Adios, peestandingup.
Enjoy yourself over on the Windows forums. Much lower hanging fruit to turn into whine about over there. Vista, Zune, Windows Mobile. Soooo much innovaton over there.
the real reason...
Maybe it's just me trying to give Apple the benefit of the doubt, but I can certainly think of one reason that 3rd party apps aren't supported: VOIP.
Since we don't know all the intricacies of the deal with at&t I might guess that true 3rd party support could have been one of at&t's core demands. After all, I have unlimited date on my phone, but get reamed for talk minutes. The second someone comes up with a viable voip (skype mobile anyone?) solution, the providers lose control of their core cash collection scheme.
If you think about it, this theory is somewhat supported as well by the lack of a mobile ichat service. Text messages were in part popularized by young people who wanted to chat a lot but couldn't afford the cell bills. Now at&t have jacked up rates on those once cheap SMS messages and make good money up-selling heavy texters with really silly plans. Apple's ichat-like interface for SMS makes it clear that this is their texting solution for at least a while... don't expect a "legit" IM solution anytime soon on the iphone.
One can only hope that the success of the iphone and eventual release from the at&t contract will allow Apple to set their own solutions separate from vampire-like service providers. This is a big dirty market that Apple has entered into. I can't say that I'm 100% satisfied with their actions so far, but they're not doing bad for being the latest entrant into the market.
Maybe it's just me trying to give Apple the benefit of the doubt, but I can certainly think of one reason that 3rd party apps aren't supported: VOIP.
Since we don't know all the intricacies of the deal with at&t I might guess that true 3rd party support could have been one of at&t's core demands. After all, I have unlimited date on my phone, but get reamed for talk minutes. The second someone comes up with a viable voip (skype mobile anyone?) solution, the providers lose control of their core cash collection scheme.
If you think about it, this theory is somewhat supported as well by the lack of a mobile ichat service. Text messages were in part popularized by young people who wanted to chat a lot but couldn't afford the cell bills. Now at&t have jacked up rates on those once cheap SMS messages and make good money up-selling heavy texters with really silly plans. Apple's ichat-like interface for SMS makes it clear that this is their texting solution for at least a while... don't expect a "legit" IM solution anytime soon on the iphone.
One can only hope that the success of the iphone and eventual release from the at&t contract will allow Apple to set their own solutions separate from vampire-like service providers. This is a big dirty market that Apple has entered into. I can't say that I'm 100% satisfied with their actions so far, but they're not doing bad for being the latest entrant into the market.
Adios, peestandingup.
Enjoy yourself over on the Windows forums. Much lower hanging fruit to turn into whine about over there. Vista, Zune, Windows Mobile. Soooo much innovaton over there.
Errrr......???
He said he was "going totally open source", so to me, that sounds like Linux or something, not Windows...
Noooo. Apple's position on this is a result of your speculation.
Blame it only on yourselves, you big children. You were told the iPhone was not going to support native 3rd party applications. You were told the iPhone was locked to AT&T. You didn't read the user agreements (yes, I expect you to read them -- I don't care how many pages they are). And you bought it anyway, because you need the latest Apple gizmo to fill your empty lives.
And now you're all crying in your milk because you can't bend reality to your whims. You were so sure you could get by with your "hacks". You were convinced you'd be able to ride scott-free on T-Mobile, free from the "tyranny of AT&T".
And now you're wrong, stuck with a device you don't want and a servce you can't cancel -- despite every warning post you came across before you signed on the dotted line.
You all make me sick.