Or... we pay for unlimited data, therefore we should be getting unlimited SMS (in addition to unlimited IM).
That's what "unlimited data" meant on T-Mobile.
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iPhone 1.1.1 Harder to Hack?
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Or... we pay for unlimited data, therefore we should be getting unlimited SMS (in addition to unlimited IM).
That's what "unlimited data" meant on T-Mobile.
Where did you find 3rd party apps???
Question: I know that the upgrade disabled all third party apps but I also believe that it's just a matter of time before the hackers break the code. For when that happens, where did you all find your 3rd party apps??
I can only find web bases applications which are pretty much useless on EDGE.
Thanks to all who answer.
Question: I know that the upgrade disabled all third party apps but I also believe that it's just a matter of time before the hackers break the code. For when that happens, where did you all find your 3rd party apps??
I can only find web bases applications which are pretty much useless on EDGE.
Thanks to all who answer.
It might even be useful if the was a local web server on the iPhone. In a nut shell this is the RDF working at its best. Web pages simply aren't apps in the way most people think of them.
Or how good it could have gotten! This sort of argument is total BS. First; there is already evidence that Apples update has introduced new bugs of its own. Second; there are good and bad free apps; one only has to look at Linux to see where a bunch of good apps can go. It is all matter of doing a little research and keeping in touch with the developers.
Yeah so what? Really if your machine is doing more for you and working harder it certainly will drain more power from the battery. If you have an app gone wild that is one thing if you have an app you installed doing something neat that is another. In a nut shell this means nothing because it is so dependent on the apps installed and their usage. Imagine this if you turn off the power to your device the batteries will last a very long time.
Yes it does. So does Motorola's efforts at Linux based phones. I especially like OpenMoko though. It is very open with only a few tiny hardware issues.
The problem with OpenMoko is simply this they need to get development moving faster. I'm hoping that we see viable software and hardware buy the end of the year.
In any event I've had the emulator working from time to time and OpenMoko does look good and is progressing forward. The only issue I can see is that it doesn't hardware wise have enough storage capacity. Storage is the one thing that Apple has gotten right.
Dave
shadowfax
macrumors 603
I see no reason to believe this at all.
As to the lies well lets be honest here, we have people representing Apple saying publicly just a few days before this update that their attitude is neutral with respect to third party apps. That was obviously a lie. This update is very far from being a neutral response to third party apps, it can only be seen as a broadside attack on the whole idea.
In any event it is just another reason to make me wonder why I follow Apple at all as a company and take interests in their products. When the VP indicated that Apple was neutral with respect to third party app, I can't believe he didn't know what was coming. It puts into question the credibility of the whole company as an organization you would want to deal with.
Dave
With no SDK or public API's for the iPhone, does it matter if it runs OSX or not? Operating Systems are important for extensible platforms, not closed systems.
Obviously you haven't used those apps.
But what is this issue with getting caught? They are producing software for a phone they own, there is nothing wrong with that. Further they share said software. You seem to have a very bad attitude with respect to people that help their fellow man.
Who is selling these hacks? From what I can see the overwhelming majority of the apps out there are developed in a very open manner. For the most part everything is free. So I have to wonder what you interest is in this disinformation?
There will always be stupid and easy to exploit people in this world, why do you give a damn about them?
A fitting term if you ask me.
Lets put it this way anyone that went out and purchased a iPhone without think about its unfinished and limited state and Apples stated limitations is either incompetent or willing to go the extra mile to get fuller functionality out of the device.
Ok tell us how these so called hackers are laughing all the way to the bank for software that is free. Tell us how they are being enriched with each download. The only organization here doing any screwing is APPLE.
What is even worst is Apple up and lied about their neutral stance with respect to third party apps. So who do you trust more the hackers offering you software for exploiting hardware you own or Apple bricking the hardware you own.
The problems with this update are clearly Apples. The reality is they could have relocked the phones with this update and went ahead with the rest of the install without bricking the phones. This is precisely and example of meanness from a large corporation and shows a very public disdain for its customers.
Whine all you want but the hackers have nothing to do with the bricked iPhones.
Yes it is Apple that is bricking the iPhones and it has nothing to do with the hackers, none of whom is twelve. All the hackers really wanted to do was run software on a computer they own - there is nothing wrong with that. You seem to bee very angry and are directing that anger at the wrong group.
The only one causing damage here is Apple. I haven't seen any hackers publishing an iBrick program. Apple has done that though with their upgrade.
Maybe a reboot is in order here.
Dave
custom ringtones with new iphone 1.1.1
Well, I guess if I want to get all the new "standard" features, I will have to give up my custom ringtones. That sucks, due to the fact that my custom ringtomes are mainly voices. Hopefully Apple will understand that sound effects are also good ringtones, and should allow us to do that on our phones. (doesn't sound funny to ask for permision to do something to our phone???)
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Well, I guess if I want to get all the new "standard" features, I will have to give up my custom ringtones. That sucks, due to the fact that my custom ringtomes are mainly voices. Hopefully Apple will understand that sound effects are also good ringtones, and should allow us to do that on our phones. (doesn't sound funny to ask for permision to do something to our phone???)
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akac
macrumors 6502a
I'm pretty unhappy with Apple locking iPhones to not allow custom ring tones and software. But I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
When 10.2 came out, Apple came out with a private API for the systemwide Addressbook. Many people wrote software to use it. But it was private and unsupported. Then in 10.3 Apple provided a supported API to use it. Internally they wanted 10.2 to be their testbed for the API. Same with "CoreText" that is in leopard. Its also in Tiger, but a private framework. They used the time between 10.4 and 10.5 to beef it up and make it into a public API.
So my hope is that the iPhone is in that state where things are too fluid to make into a public SDK yet. When the OS gets more stable (not in terms of reliability but the API changing) they will release an SDK.
When 10.2 came out, Apple came out with a private API for the systemwide Addressbook. Many people wrote software to use it. But it was private and unsupported. Then in 10.3 Apple provided a supported API to use it. Internally they wanted 10.2 to be their testbed for the API. Same with "CoreText" that is in leopard. Its also in Tiger, but a private framework. They used the time between 10.4 and 10.5 to beef it up and make it into a public API.
So my hope is that the iPhone is in that state where things are too fluid to make into a public SDK yet. When the OS gets more stable (not in terms of reliability but the API changing) they will release an SDK.
The funny thing is that my interest in the iPhone really has little to do with ring tones or music. This is probably why I see a lot of squandered potential in this device.
You use the word funny and frankly I think you are being way to kind to the "apple-ologists". Stupid and gullible come to mind real quick, with a lot of even nastier things real quick afterwards. Really hard hard does one have to be whacked over the head before you do something to save yourself?
Record companies in part I would say. I suspect there is a very big element of Apple in these sorts of decisions. Either way I agree the actions taken by Apple are inexcusable. I just hope the coming alternatives can grab significant market share against Apple.
I'm not sure what the problem is. It is nice to blame everything on ATT but that doesn't explain the iPod Touch. I can't see the record companies as a problem here either as I can't imagine how instant messaging or some of the other apps deleted or prevented from installation on the Touch could impact the record labels.
In the end it would take some body with a lot of power and influence to get Apple to publicly detail what they are thinking. Maybe a Ralf Nader of the Electronics world is needed.
Frankly I see it as an obligation to express displeasure with Apple and its rather blatant turn to the dark side. I expect to see more posts like yours once people digest what has happened to them.
As to the two year agreements, well I can only say this: BOY I"M GLAD I PUT OFF THE iPHONE PURCHASE. Apples has clearly demonstrated that I and I suspect many others, need to think long and hard about doing business with them anymore.
People need to think long and hard about what is happening here. Imagine taking a new car into the dealership after 6 months and having them rip out the car radio because the CEO of XYZ car builder decided that you don't need it. This is exactly what Apple is doing with this update. They are taking behaviors that they sold you months ago and eliminating them. I'm not sure how people can defend Apple.
A few more sense from me. All I can say at this point is that if you have a need for a smart phone Apple has clearly demonstrated that they don't want to play in that arena. Here is to Nokia, Motorola, FIC and whomever else has a true smart phone on the way. I hope one of them "gets it" with respect to consumer needs.
Dave
MacsRgr8
macrumors G3
Totally agree.
You might even get the weird situation that the "hackers" stop trying to jailbreak the newer firmwares, but just try to find a way to get firmware 1.0.2 on newer phones.
If not, legal Eurpean iPhone owners might feel screwed for never being able to fool around with 3rd party fun-apps... 😉
iToner and 1.1.1
The bottom line is that iToner actually still works. You can upload ringtones and delete ringtones just as one has always been able to do. The ringtones just don't show up in the list and are therefore can't be selected. So it seems to me Apple couldn't really find a way to "break" iToner itself. It does still work. They just did some tricky work-around so that only their original and iTunes-purchased ringtones show up in the list. One would think one work-around could be overridden by another work-around, and if anyone can, Ambrosia can.
The bottom line is that iToner actually still works. You can upload ringtones and delete ringtones just as one has always been able to do. The ringtones just don't show up in the list and are therefore can't be selected. So it seems to me Apple couldn't really find a way to "break" iToner itself. It does still work. They just did some tricky work-around so that only their original and iTunes-purchased ringtones show up in the list. One would think one work-around could be overridden by another work-around, and if anyone can, Ambrosia can.
mrfett
macrumors newbie
Dave,
I think it does explain the lack of features on the Touch, actually, and that's the sad thing. They make gobs of money on the AT&T contract, therefore they want to sell the iPhone, not the Touch. That point has been beaten to death. The Touch is an iPhone "teaser". As such, they purposely cripple it in order to drive iPhone sales. They can't make the Touch a true multifunction device, because then everyone would buy one and not the iPhone. It HAS to be inferior to support their business model. Their method of making money directly depends on releasing crippled products. So next time Steve jokes that "Leopard will come in an Ultimate version, a Student version, and a Home version, all for the same price" it can only be funny in a bitterly ironic way. They've adopted the Redmond model hook, line, and sinker.
I have a T-Shirt I got at the Infinite Loop Corporate Store that reads, "Cupertino: 300 miles and 180 degrees from Redmond" (the mileage may be off, I'm going on memory). Sadly, it just isn't true any longer. Better home computer and server products, but the playbooks look identical (with the exception of the XBox division, which is for all intents and purposes an entirely separate company).
The Amazon Store couldn't have come at a better time. Absolute Power.... perhaps some genuine competition will bring the Cupertino Gods back to this realm?
Unspeaked
macrumors 68020
This is one of the brightest posts I've read all week.
Sometimes, I'm amazed at how complacent Apple fans have become.
I love Apple's products and have always stood by them, and gladly pay a premium for their computers because their operating system is a pleasure to use, but the way they've been going about things in other parts of their business is very Microsoft-like.
I'm appalled that so many people hear sit back and don't mind, or worse - take sides and defend the company against everyday consumers like you and I (and them) who are concerned less about profits and more about sensibility and common good and having an exceptional product.
It makes you wonder what would happen to the computer hardware and operating system if they ever got a majority market-share, huh?
Personal custome ringtones!!
If you are as angry as I am that I can't use my own personal ringtone collection on the iPhone, then please sign the petition I setup at: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/custom-ringtones-for-the-iphone
Even if you aren't that upset but you think it is silly that we can't!!
Thanks.
If you are as angry as I am that I can't use my own personal ringtone collection on the iPhone, then please sign the petition I setup at: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/custom-ringtones-for-the-iphone
Even if you aren't that upset but you think it is silly that we can't!!
Thanks.
Web Applications
I've used many of these web 2.0 applications, and many of them are nice - WHEN you have a connection to the web. I tried using a web 2.0 To Do list and needed to call it up when I was in a building and found out that because there was no WiFi and I had no good phone signal, I couldn't get to my To Do list - This happened too many times for me to appreciate these apps. The function great when you have a good connection to the web, but since they aren't native, you can't always use them. One HUGE drawback if you ask me.
I've used many of these web 2.0 applications, and many of them are nice - WHEN you have a connection to the web. I tried using a web 2.0 To Do list and needed to call it up when I was in a building and found out that because there was no WiFi and I had no good phone signal, I couldn't get to my To Do list - This happened too many times for me to appreciate these apps. The function great when you have a good connection to the web, but since they aren't native, you can't always use them. One HUGE drawback if you ask me.
mrfett
macrumors newbie
lol it's UNIVERSALLY recognized as a huge drawback by EVERYONE EXCEPT the apple-ogists who've spent far too long at the fount of yellow "kool-aid" coming from Cupertino (hint - that strange odor should've clued you in to the fact they're not handing out free drinks).
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Here's an idiot's view on it all. First off let me say I have never been an Apple fan. In fact I have avoided them like the plague. Then the iPhone came out and I played with one and bingo I "saw the light". Cool phone, great interface and the possibility of apps. No more need to carry a phone, PDA, MP3 player and jump drive. Problem was I didn't want to spend 60 bucks a month for the honour.
Wait a minute my company Blackberry is AT&T with I'm assuming unlimited data for the push email and web access. Hmmmm, what to do? Buy it and unlock it. Voids warranty, user agreement and posibility of update bricking. Hey, my choice (gamble). So that's what I did. Actually it was fun doing the early non GUI unlock. Felt quite the techno dude. Now i'm wondering if maybe I could have done a deal with AT&T to activate my iPhone based on the company account. Oh well, too late now.
First issue with it. iTunes. Jeez was that a bugger to get to grips with. But I figured it out and it works fine. Still prefer the old MP3 way of it just showing as a drive in Windows.
Next issue. The iPhone can't be used as a jump drive. Rats!! Still need the jump drive. Using iBrickr, I had a root around and it looks like a Linux file system. So I could actually have limited data carrying if I wanted. Ipod music and movie player is superdeluxobril. Watching movies on the plane, listening to audiobooks and music is great and a far better experience than the ancient MP3 player I had. Next issue. The keyboard sucks for Johnny stubby fingers, especially the o and p. No landscape mode in email and no bulk delete. Blackberry is far better. No push email (Thank God) but I just hit our webmail and it works great.
Apps. Stumbler, Dictionary / Thesaurus and ebook reader. Work great. No slowdown or battery chewing. Even had Apollo IM on for a while but never used it so dumped it.
The coolness factor was at an all time high as far as I was concerned. I got a nice leather case and was loving the experience, then along came update 1.1.1. Hmmmmmmm, totally underwhelmed by the update. Email in landscape. Nice. Turn off EDGE when travelling. Brilliant. Other than that no big deal. TV out, not for me. WiFi Itunes to buy songs. Yea right! Double click button and space bar... so what? Totally locked down system and step backwards in my opinion. Definite up **** creek if anything bad happens like a hardware failure. Hmmmm, starting to lose the gloss it once had. Never liked Apple stuff anyway.
Apple warned people and the word on the street was the update may do damage to unlocked phones. So what do people do? They update unlocked phones and now they don't work....... are ya daft or what? Please don't put your finger in that fire, you might get burned. What? This fire? OOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!
Lots of people didn't update. They disabled the auto check in iTunes and will stay with 1.02 until the Dev team or whoever rehacks the system.... don't hold your breath on that one. They are happy with the "unenhanced" firmware. I'm one of them. If Apple have encrypted and serialised the system and blocked the existing access then it will be pretty hard to rehack. Obviously iTunes gets in to do whatever and I suppose an unlimited amount of hackers with an unlimited amount of time will break the system but unless they find a new backdoor, I believe they next unlock may take quite a while. In the mean time the apps scene dies and the iPhone just becomes another phone with a fancy interface.
Is the iPhone still a wonder of the universe? Nope, in fact the glamour is fading. It doesn't rid me of the need to take a PDA or a jump drive, but actually it is no big deal. The PDA has a load of medical stuff the iPhone would never have anyway. The apps are good but still not there there yet. If the phone dies am I SOL for servivce, waranty etc? Yep, but my choice and gamble. No complaints from me. It was nice to have at least some street cred with my kids for a while but once that goes, I may even go back to the Blackberry......aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh.
Sorry for the ramble.
Wait a minute my company Blackberry is AT&T with I'm assuming unlimited data for the push email and web access. Hmmmm, what to do? Buy it and unlock it. Voids warranty, user agreement and posibility of update bricking. Hey, my choice (gamble). So that's what I did. Actually it was fun doing the early non GUI unlock. Felt quite the techno dude. Now i'm wondering if maybe I could have done a deal with AT&T to activate my iPhone based on the company account. Oh well, too late now.
First issue with it. iTunes. Jeez was that a bugger to get to grips with. But I figured it out and it works fine. Still prefer the old MP3 way of it just showing as a drive in Windows.
Next issue. The iPhone can't be used as a jump drive. Rats!! Still need the jump drive. Using iBrickr, I had a root around and it looks like a Linux file system. So I could actually have limited data carrying if I wanted. Ipod music and movie player is superdeluxobril. Watching movies on the plane, listening to audiobooks and music is great and a far better experience than the ancient MP3 player I had. Next issue. The keyboard sucks for Johnny stubby fingers, especially the o and p. No landscape mode in email and no bulk delete. Blackberry is far better. No push email (Thank God) but I just hit our webmail and it works great.
Apps. Stumbler, Dictionary / Thesaurus and ebook reader. Work great. No slowdown or battery chewing. Even had Apollo IM on for a while but never used it so dumped it.
The coolness factor was at an all time high as far as I was concerned. I got a nice leather case and was loving the experience, then along came update 1.1.1. Hmmmmmmm, totally underwhelmed by the update. Email in landscape. Nice. Turn off EDGE when travelling. Brilliant. Other than that no big deal. TV out, not for me. WiFi Itunes to buy songs. Yea right! Double click button and space bar... so what? Totally locked down system and step backwards in my opinion. Definite up **** creek if anything bad happens like a hardware failure. Hmmmm, starting to lose the gloss it once had. Never liked Apple stuff anyway.
Apple warned people and the word on the street was the update may do damage to unlocked phones. So what do people do? They update unlocked phones and now they don't work....... are ya daft or what? Please don't put your finger in that fire, you might get burned. What? This fire? OOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!
Lots of people didn't update. They disabled the auto check in iTunes and will stay with 1.02 until the Dev team or whoever rehacks the system.... don't hold your breath on that one. They are happy with the "unenhanced" firmware. I'm one of them. If Apple have encrypted and serialised the system and blocked the existing access then it will be pretty hard to rehack. Obviously iTunes gets in to do whatever and I suppose an unlimited amount of hackers with an unlimited amount of time will break the system but unless they find a new backdoor, I believe they next unlock may take quite a while. In the mean time the apps scene dies and the iPhone just becomes another phone with a fancy interface.
Is the iPhone still a wonder of the universe? Nope, in fact the glamour is fading. It doesn't rid me of the need to take a PDA or a jump drive, but actually it is no big deal. The PDA has a load of medical stuff the iPhone would never have anyway. The apps are good but still not there there yet. If the phone dies am I SOL for servivce, waranty etc? Yep, but my choice and gamble. No complaints from me. It was nice to have at least some street cred with my kids for a while but once that goes, I may even go back to the Blackberry......aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh.
Sorry for the ramble.
The Good and Bad
Flying Doc,
I agree with you - to a point. I left PCs 2 years ago and never looked back. I have been SO incredibly happy being a Mac computer owner. I can't describe the joy of the Mac OS, and the new iMacs out rival any other computer on the market - check out reviews on CNET and ZDNET.
The iPhone - for the most part - has made me happy. I, unlike you, was able, for the first time in my life, to get rid of my PDA, my MP3 player and my phone - I just had one device to carry - the first TRUE pocket computer ever made - running a real and very upgradeable OS. THIS has all been good, but the iPhone isn't without its faults. It has great email, and superb web surfing capabilities - the music and video player are wonderful - I just wish Apple would relinquish some control over the darn thing. What they are doing is ridiculous and is more reminiscent of Redmond than Cupertino. I'm an overall Apple fan - not an Apple-ogist - and I'm feeling a little jilted and disappointed
Flying Doc,
I agree with you - to a point. I left PCs 2 years ago and never looked back. I have been SO incredibly happy being a Mac computer owner. I can't describe the joy of the Mac OS, and the new iMacs out rival any other computer on the market - check out reviews on CNET and ZDNET.
The iPhone - for the most part - has made me happy. I, unlike you, was able, for the first time in my life, to get rid of my PDA, my MP3 player and my phone - I just had one device to carry - the first TRUE pocket computer ever made - running a real and very upgradeable OS. THIS has all been good, but the iPhone isn't without its faults. It has great email, and superb web surfing capabilities - the music and video player are wonderful - I just wish Apple would relinquish some control over the darn thing. What they are doing is ridiculous and is more reminiscent of Redmond than Cupertino. I'm an overall Apple fan - not an Apple-ogist - and I'm feeling a little jilted and disappointed
shadowfax
macrumors 603
Usually when you have the device in hand, brute forcing is not required. I am well aware that encryption with large keys is usually intractable to brute-force, but most attacks rely on something simple like the birthday attack. AES is vulnerable to the "related key" attack as well as the chosen plaintext attack. Now, granted, you can't really test this when you have no access to the system that encrypted the segments you want to crack, but, that's a moot point: if the iPhone uses some method of encryption to store segments of its software, then SOMEWHERE in the phone is software that decrypts those segments. Somewhere the key is stored or generated, and it's just a matter of finding where that is.
You could encrypt your data with 4096-bit Rijndael for all I care, as long as you put your secret on the device that's reading it (which you have to do for the device to read it). An encryption scheme is only as good as its weakest link, and if the enemy has its hands on the thing you use to decrypt your messages, then you pretty much might as well have never bothered.
I know a reasonable bit about encrypted executables. they are a royal pain in the butt, and that's why big software companies and virus writers employ them. However, if one can "watch" the execution of the software, one can break the encryption simply by rebuilding the binary from what they saw. Sometimes you can even figure out what method was used to encrypt it and you can mimic that. This is very, very, very different from communication-line security where Alice is trying to talk to Bob, and Eve is trying to listen in on them. This is Alice trying to talk to Bob, when Eve has Bob in her pocket. That's inherently insecure.
Using a iPhone to study the bible? ugh....
Using a iPhone to study the bible? ugh....
Using a iPhone to study the bible? ugh....
The worst idea EVER!
hence the argument they just need to release an SDK.
The reason you didn't find them useful is because they are hard to develop with no specifications/instructions/guides for minimizing process/memory/battery usage and optimizing for the platform, using the right APIs etc. Of course 3rd party apps will suck when they are all hacked on there from random people. If it was an OPEN platform, there would be 100 companies with professional developers and alot of resources to throw at making absolutely Rock-hard, stable, fast, and innovative applications.
I think its a crime to come out with a such an incredible phone that now makes it actually useful to have internet access, 'smartphone' applications, etc in a mobile device and then LOCK THE PLATFORM???? WTF?
The worst idea EVER!
hence the argument they just need to release an SDK.
The reason you didn't find them useful is because they are hard to develop with no specifications/instructions/guides for minimizing process/memory/battery usage and optimizing for the platform, using the right APIs etc. Of course 3rd party apps will suck when they are all hacked on there from random people. If it was an OPEN platform, there would be 100 companies with professional developers and alot of resources to throw at making absolutely Rock-hard, stable, fast, and innovative applications.
I think its a crime to come out with a such an incredible phone that now makes it actually useful to have internet access, 'smartphone' applications, etc in a mobile device and then LOCK THE PLATFORM???? WTF?
The worst idea EVER!
Are you joking?
I think its hilarious that you go into how Apple created the device therefore they are the only ones that should profit off of it but then immediately transition to dismissing the comment about Free BSD/Linux...
I assume you know what makes up 75% of OSX
I'm no fan of Microsoft, but what makes you sound ESPECIALLY like a fan boy is your empty argument.
Since when did buying a company with a legitimate product become a bad thing for that company? The argument that Microsoft is "not letting them profit" by buying the whole **** company is just OUTRAGEOUS!
Thats not even in the same ballpark as completely locking down a system and NOT ALLOWING the companies to create applications in the first place which could be so useful that Apple would buy the whole company!
the comment "you don't know what you're talking about" should be used with great discretion.
Wrong. How many people on this forum are Cocoa ObjC developers vs dissatisfied iPhone consumers? 1:10 maybe?
I think its hilarious that you go into how Apple created the device therefore they are the only ones that should profit off of it but then immediately transition to dismissing the comment about Free BSD/Linux...
I assume you know what makes up 75% of OSX
I'm no fan of Microsoft, but what makes you sound ESPECIALLY like a fan boy is your empty argument.
Since when did buying a company with a legitimate product become a bad thing for that company? The argument that Microsoft is "not letting them profit" by buying the whole **** company is just OUTRAGEOUS!
Thats not even in the same ballpark as completely locking down a system and NOT ALLOWING the companies to create applications in the first place which could be so useful that Apple would buy the whole company!
the comment "you don't know what you're talking about" should be used with great discretion.