mi7chy
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That's because you're next to a tower with full bars. Intel is worse as you move further away and especially into fringe areas.
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iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max Equipped With Intel Modems
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That's because you're next to a tower with full bars. Intel is worse as you move further away and especially into fringe areas.
Geardo_Ranger
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Again, I feel your pain, but there is so much more to play than a modem chip. Coverage and prioritization rules change on a monthly basis based on machine learning from each cell tower, network operations center analysis, and usage in a location and time.
Breaking off from the provider I would also look at the antenna design and amperage the phone pushes to the antennas for transmission. It may be one thing to receive the signal, but if your amperage is lower than a previous model the tower will make a timed out call based on your delay of communication and drop your call.
Finally, look at the phone case you use. The antennas are on the side exteriors of the phone. Some materials directly hamper and reduce your output wattage.
All of these play a factor every second of the day. To jump on the intel is bad bandwagon is just ridiculous. There’s no imperial evidence showing that’s the issue. The only imperial evidence proven from lab tests have shown a slightly higher data rate for data rendering. Most times that may be a difference from 18Mb from a Intel chip to 20 Mb from a Qc chip. Nothing to write home about or even feel the direct effects from.
Part of the Qualcomm magic is their switching between towers when the signal is dropping.
iMerik
macrumors 6502a
I know enough people have already agreed with you on this, but I too have noticed worse AT&T speeds and reliability with my iPhone X than any iPhone before. It's noticeable enough for me to be aware of it daily, and I'm not the type of person to obsess over such things.
So you are telling me when I'm switching from my iPhone 7 to the 11 I not only get a worse display but also have issues with connection? Hard times to upgrade Apple iPhones nowadays and size is also too big for me 🙁
Yeah, but I don't think we are attempting to establish a scientific truth that, statistically, Qualcomm is X% better or worse than intel on Y and Z metrics. It's all empirical (and sometimes not even that, see MacRumors). I don't think any of us, a as consumers, will ever seek scientific confirmation
We all just see that our signal is a little worse. Collectively. Around the world on many different carriers.
i'm not trying to establish an absolute truth, but it seems that we may be onto something. Even Apple is, since they're going back to Qualcomm - and Qualcomm screwed them many times over.
atikalz
macrumors regular
Not trying to be “that guy” (just trying to be helpful for your future postings) but the word you’re looking for is “empirical.”
Thrutheroofnunderground
macrumors regular
That doesn’t provide anything useful. A singular experience doesn’t cover the world. My WiFi reception is worse than my previous phone—original Google Pixel—same house, same locations, which provides some control to the test, other than “on a train somewhere”.
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All they have to do is compare their photos to a new phone on something that isn’t their square-ish small screen and the differences would be pretty apparent.
I think the Max is better. Hoping the pro is better than my lousy Xs. Just leasing so a payment is a payment.
This doesn’t prove a thing. The issue is with drops in service / dead spots. A speed test won’t show that. Nice try.
mi7chy
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tekchic
macrumors 68020
Look again at the PROVIDER T-Mobile. This is pulling up a past result when I was sitting in my car NOT on Wifi at lunch. I was on wifi when I posted it, otherwise I wouldn't have had any internet to upload it. SMH. 🙄
I don’t think there was any concrete evidence to prove this was an meaningful issue. There might be some there, but how meaningful was it in real scenarios? Very difficult to know without being anecdotal. In a lab, you might show something that’s not repeatable in the real world.
It’s almost like you need the data from all the phones which only Apple and carriers can likely access. Given that, Apple continued to use Intel modems.
These speed test posts are idiotic. They prove absolutely nothing about anything. It depends on the country, as some countries are very well covered and have dense cell networks, but in the United States, there are large areas with ZERO coverage, so naturally, there are a LOT of areas that are marginal or on the fringe, as well as deep inside buildings in areas that do have coverage but don't have densely spaced cell networks. The other issue is re-connection speed, in situations like the NYC subway, and that's almost entirely a modem issue, with Qualcomm re-connecting much more quickly than Intel.
The fact of the matter is that the combination of Apple's RF chain and Intel's poorly performing modems do not work in some places that Qualcomm modems in Android phones will. It also depends on the device, as PC Mag has determined that the LG V40 is the best on the market for RF performance, followed by the Note 9 and OnePlus 6T (this was done prior to the Galaxy S10, Note 10, and OnePlus 7 Pro which may have some advantages).
https://www.pcmag.com/article/364775/the-lgv40-has-the-best-cellular-reception-of-any-phone
I'm interested to see how this fall's tests come in with the new iPhones and Android devices.
The fact of the matter is that the combination of Apple's RF chain and Intel's poorly performing modems do not work in some places that Qualcomm modems in Android phones will. It also depends on the device, as PC Mag has determined that the LG V40 is the best on the market for RF performance, followed by the Note 9 and OnePlus 6T (this was done prior to the Galaxy S10, Note 10, and OnePlus 7 Pro which may have some advantages).
https://www.pcmag.com/article/364775/the-lgv40-has-the-best-cellular-reception-of-any-phone
I'm interested to see how this fall's tests come in with the new iPhones and Android devices.
How do you know for sure? I mean my old 6S I still has contains a Qualcomm modem and is DAR better with wireless signals and doesn’t randomly drop WiFi either....
realtuner
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You know what else doesn’t prove a thing? A tiny number of people online complaining there’s an issue when millions more aren’t complaining.
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I have an old 6S and it’s not as good as my XS Max for signal or speed.
Kal-037
macrumors 68020
Incorrect. There is no such thing as “pros” there is a person who’s business or life is directed at doing something with professionalism, competency, proficiency, talent, quality, and experience, AND making a successful happy living out of it.
Now, whether the work is good or not is decided by the individual of whom it was made for... groups, society, popular opinion, nor a dictionary decide what is good or not. The old adage: “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is the most true statement when it comes to any kind of art or creativity. ✌😉🙂
“Professional” is such a misused word (especially due to Apple, lol) but since it’s so often misused, I don’t think people really get that professional isn’t exactly the same as “professionalism,” “competency,” or “experienced.”
So I’m sorry you feel I’m not a ”pro”... but that’s really only your opinion. I suggest a google search how many legitimate and successful photographers there are, that use mobile phones or “lower-end cameras” instead of: “industry declaration of the best camera.” *I know of a few people who do iPhone photography and are making incredible livings (some still carry a mirrorless or higher-grade DSLR, but often only for the shots that iPhone or any phone just can’t do.) My open style and way of doing photography is about the results... not the specs or a high rated device.
Peace my friend. 🙂✌
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I’m guessing Apple didn’t have time to implement Qualcomm due to the lawsuit just getting settle a few months ago.
Oh well, I’ll survive as the 11 Pro has more pros than cons IMO... But I’m excited to see what the 2020 iPhone will be able to do
Anyone know if Apple engineered these modems themselves this year or if they were acquired when intel sold the patent to Apple?
*not important, just curious.
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jezbd1997
macrumors 6502a
No the test was done on LTE, you can see it says cellular carrier with “LTE” closer to the bottom.
I took the screenshot yesterday.. connected on my home wifi.
Same with the other guy you replied to.
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I have the iPhone XS. I'm not upgrading until two things happen:
I miss my iPhone 7 Plus sim-free's Qualcomm chip...my reception was always rock solid
- usb-c port (hopeful for 2020 if not 2021)
- Qualcomm LTE model (2020 extremely likely)
I miss my iPhone 7 Plus sim-free's Qualcomm chip...my reception was always rock solid
The modem in my XS Max has been the biggest source of frustration with me. I'm pretty sure Apple got the message from me and many, many other users. I'm upgrading to an 11 Max Pro with the hope that performance and reliability has improved a lot. I'm pretty confident that Apple's in house 5G modems will rival Qualcomm's once they're released in 2021. In the meantime, I hope they are optimizing software and their off the shelf hardware to be the best they can be.
class77
macrumors 6502a
Apple tried to buy Qualcomm modems last year for Verizon phones, so IMHO that a taciturn admission on Apple's part that the Intel modems were inferior for that purpose. I don't see why Qualcomm modems couldn't have been put in 11 Pro Verizon phones, even with a short window for implementation to make a stronger phone.
I have no illusions about Intel's modems suddenly becoming fabulous because they are being brought in house to Apple. I wish Apple would go back to Qualcomm modems and stick to developing chips, not new modems
I have no illusions about Intel's modems suddenly becoming fabulous because they are being brought in house to Apple. I wish Apple would go back to Qualcomm modems and stick to developing chips, not new modems