iPhone 11 Pro Models Have Up to 25% Larger Batteries and 4GB of RAM Per Reliable TENAA Filings

[1050792]

No, I am not defending Apple here, the only other comparison to make is to Android devices so that's the logical leap.

I am critical of Apple frequently, I just do not believe that 6, 8 or 12GB RAM is needed for a phone at this point. Every device is a compromise and obviously Apple tries to balance what's good for them and what's good for users. For them is obviously money, but they also know that 99.9% of their users couldn't care less about the amount of RAM in a device as long as it runs well, and their devices do run well with even 2GB. You have users here stating that they dislike app refreshes and that for them they happen after 5 seconds of leaving the app, while I don't see usage like that on any of the devices in my household nor those devices I support.

Considering people can and do use iOS devices for video editing and countless other things I am blown away by the folks here that can't manage to use the phone in a basic manner without somehow seeing RAM shortages.
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Funny, because the number of people I support using a 6S don't have this complaint, at all. When I have used them recently I don't see those issues. How many tabs do you have open in Safari?

We are talking about the 6 not the 6s...

 

[jonnysods]

All this goes to show is how good the value of the 11 is - same processor, ram, of course there are other benefits to the Pro.

Don't fully care about how much ram the phone has - I haven't seen a lot of memory issues on any of my phones, just processor speeds as the OS changes. Android phones have piles of ram, but don't get the benefit of years of software support for their device. I'm always happy with more ram - but I'm not super fussed that it has 4. Should be getting my Pro on Friday (I think)

 

[Ninnykins]

Another interesting thing i’d like to point out is that the TENAA filing shows the 11 Pro Max running iOS 11, which seems very weird and strange
Of course once again this doesn’t debunk that it automatically doesn’t have 4GB of RAM, just highlights how there seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with their filings that could also be the case with their RAM amount

 

[xDKP]

Yup! But now people are going to complain about the increased thickness lol

I'll happily take the extra thickness and gain serious battery gains!

 

[639051]

We are talking about the 6 not the 6s...

Yeah, the 6 runs terribly because of only having 1GB (edit: runs terribly NOW, it ran fine at release and for awhile after that), I already stated I thought this was a poor decision on Apples part. Fast forward to 2019 and we have 4GB which is four times as much as the 6, 2019 where the 6S with 2GB still runs just fine.

If it turns out the new phones have 6GB people will complain that it doesn't have 8 or 12, there is no pleasing people here.

 

[delta0]

I have a 6s with 2 GB RAM that runs perfectly. When does this planned obsolescence kick in so I can keep an eye out for it?

6 has just stopped getting the latest updates, so no ios 13. Based on that, next year the 6s will be gone.

 

[nfl46]

Wow at the Pro Max battery! That's going to be sickening with iOS.
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Considering how well are 2 gigabytes device still running, the planning obsolescence is a thing existing only on this pages.

Exactly! The 2GB iPhones are still running well with iOS 12 and 13.

 

[GuruZac]

Agree. The Pro model should have started with 128 Gb.
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Indeed. And even with 4 Gb it will be vastly superior than Android flagships sporting 32 Gb of RAM because “bigger numbers are impressive”.

Btw saying that iPhone 11 display is “2013” told me a lot about your competence in the field.

Yeah I’m guessing we see base storage on 2020 iPhone Pro move to 128GB storage. RAM is a toss up, but I actually would not be surprised to see jump to 6GB next year. I am so so so tempted to swap my XR for an 11 Pro but I really have no issues with my XR. Love the phone. But I am absolutely looking forward to OLED and triple cameras.

 

[EugW]

No, I am not defending Apple here, the only other comparison to make is to Android devices so that's the logical leap.

I am critical of Apple frequently, I just do not believe that 6, 8 or 12GB RAM is needed for a phone at this point. Every device is a compromise and obviously Apple tries to balance what's good for them and what's good for users. For them is obviously money, but they also know that 99.9% of their users couldn't care less about the amount of RAM in a device as long as it runs well, and their devices do run well with even 2GB. You have users here stating that they dislike app refreshes and that for them they happen after 5 seconds of leaving the app, while I don't see usage like that on any of the devices in my household nor those devices I support.

Considering people can and do use iOS devices for video editing and countless other things I am blown away by the folks here that can't manage to use the phone in a basic manner without somehow seeing RAM shortages.
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Funny, because the number of people I support using a 6S don't have this complaint, at all. When I have used them recently I don't see those issues. How many tabs do you have open in Safari?

You are still unnecessarily bringing up Android.

We have 2 GB, 3 GB, and 4 GB iDevices, running iOS 12 and iOS 13. That’s from where I’m getting my comparisons and experiences.

2 GB is usable but limiting, even for lighter to moderate users. Safari tab reloads are frequent. 3 GB is a major improvement and probably the sweet spot. 4 GB is often better for heavier users, and probably will remain decent for quite some time.

 

[JBGoode]

6 has just stopped getting the latest updates, so no ios 13. Based on that, next year the 6s will be gone.

It won’t be going anywhere. It will still function quite nicely on whatever version it’s running on. People still use their 5s.

 

[639051]

You are still unnecessarily bringing up Android.

We have 2 GB, 3 GB, and 4 GB iDevices, running iOS 12 and iOS 13. That’s from where I’m getting my comparisons and experiences.

2 GB is usable but limiting, even for lighter to moderate users. Safari tab reloads are frequent. 3 GB is a major improvement and probably the sweet spot. 4 GB is often better for heavier users, and probably will remain decent for quite some time.

So I guess I am confused why we are having this discussion? If 4GB is enough, why do we need more?

 

[ke-iron]

You’re the one coming off all defensive about what other Apple fans have said or not said not me.

Wether it’s 4GB or 6GB it won’t affect my usage. The bonus would be keeping apps from refreshing less but is that a big deal? Not really

Nobody here who’s upgrading are upgrading based off 6GB or 4GB of ram

You’re speculating. The amount of RAM does play a role in the decision of upgrading. I’m on the fence right now because of this. I have an iPhone XS Max so honestly it’s not even a huge upgrade for me. I honestly don’t want another phone that has everything right but can’t seem to get the page and app reloading under control. I currently have 11 apps and 2 pages open. Guess what! It’s reloading! No I cannot close the apps because I’m using them, that’s the whole point of background app refresh. But what’s the point of background app refresh if the app itself has lost its saved state because of insufficient RAM??

 

[1050792]

Yeah, the 6 runs terribly because of only having 1GB (edit: runs terribly NOW, it ran fine at release and for awhile after that), I already stated I thought this was a poor decision on Apples part. Fast forward to 2019 and we have 4GB which is four times as much as the 6, 2019 where the 6S with 2GB still runs just fine.

If it turns out the new phones have 6GB people will complain that it doesn't have 8 or 12, there is no pleasing people here.

No it didn't. My 6 crashed a lot on iOS 8 especially on Springboard, Safari and cCmera. In fact I was taking pictures with my friends while the Camera App randomly crashed and the phone restarted. And guess what? It turns out I had 7 Apps running in the background one of which was Safari with 13 tabs open. Saying that iPhone 6 run "incredibly well" before is wrong.

 

[EugW]

So I guess I am confused why we are having this discussion? If 4GB is enough, why do we need more?

The discussion we were having was about 2 GB RAM.

As for 4 GB, it’s fine now but it will be interesting to see how long that lasts. I’m thinking a couple of years before moderate users become annoyed with it so I could see some people disappointed if the 2020 models don’t have 6 GB, if they like to keep their iPhones a few years.

 

[639051]

No it didn't. My 6 crashed a lot on iOS 8 especially on Springboard, Safari and cCmera. In fact I was taking pictures with my friends while the Camera App randomly crashed and the phone restarted. And guess what? It turns out I had 7 Apps running in the background one of which was Safari with 13 tabs open. Saying that iPhone 6 run "incredibly well" before is wrong.

You're confusing poor code with a lack of physical memory. App/page refreshes are an indicator, however, the springboard crashing is not unless it's so poorly written that it lacks the concept of paging.

iOS 8 was a pure turd when released.
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The discussion we were having was about 2 GB RAM.

As for 4 GB, it’s fine now but it will be interesting to see how long that lasts. I’m thinking a couple of years before moderate users become annoyed with it so I could see some people disappointed if the 2020 models don’t have 6 GB, if they like to keep their iPhones a few years.

Sorry, getting them mixed up due to multiple conversations.

 

[mi7chy]

It won’t be going anywhere. It will still function quite nicely on whatever version it’s running on. People still use their 5s.

Safari updates are delivered through iOS updates so don't expect to surf for long when secure sites require updated browser. Apple's engineering for obsolescence while the rest of the industry allows browser updates independent of OS updates.

 

[JBGoode]

Safari updates are delivered through iOS updates so don't expect to surf for long when secure sites require updated browser. Apple's engineering for obsolescence while the rest of the industry allows browser updates independent of OS updates.

Whatever.

Most Androids are still running on whatever version they shipped with or maybe one/two newer if they’re lucky. Call me when they get 5 plus years of new system features.

 

[mi7chy]

You're confusing poor code with a lack of physical memory. App/page refreshes are an indicator, however, the springboard crashing is not unless it's so poorly written that it lacks the concept of paging.

You're apologizing for a memory contention issue due to insufficient ram. When that happens on any OS it slows down if there's disk swap available otherwise it crashes. Happens frequently with iOS Safari on low memory devices loading heavier sites where the gear just spins then errors out in a loop.

 

[639051]

You're apologizing for a memory contention issue due to insufficient ram. When that happens on any OS it slows down if there's disk swap available otherwise it crashes. Happens frequently with iOS Safari on low memory devices loading heavier sites where the gear just spins then errors out in a loop.

Apologizing?

Sure .. sure.

Not even going to continue down that path. Just look at my post history if you think I am apologizing for Apple.

 

[mi7chy]

Whatever.

Most Androids are still running on whatever version they shipped with or maybe one/two newer if they’re lucky. Call me when they get 5 plus years of new system features.

It's easy to stay uninformed and pull out the Android card. Judging by a lot of comments people don't even know how iOS works and its limitations relative to other OS' and industry trends of phone replacing the laptop but are quick to apologize for lower DRAM. That's why the rest don't get nice/future proof specs.

 

[The Game 161]

Carriers are still saying it’s 6GB of ram...not sure how to officially know until other companies get their hands on it.

 

[Kagio]

Appears to be a case of some people feeling specs on paper are more important than actual usability. I don’t care how much RAM it has, as long as it runs fast and buttery smooth and accomplishes all I need and want the phone to do. If it runs that way whether or not it has 4 or 6 gigs of RAM, does it matter?

Exactly.

Sorry to put it this way but people are stupid. What matters is the end result, the accomplishments by those hardware pieces. Who cares if you have a Ferrari if my Mazda gets to the destination FASTER and SMOOTHER; EVERY SINGLE TIME because you always travel on the say **** road?

Apple has always accomplished more with less. The objetive is not more RAM, is more speed/performance. Android have always had more RAM cause they needed it to compensate for unoptimized hardware-software, and even with more RAM they've always been slower and less endurable over time.

 

[tehStickMan]

Yeah my phones do not do this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I suppose if you want a system that has 12GB ram head over to the Note 10+. I did for awhile.

Ok, well my phones do. And so do plenty of others'. And we don't do any insane things, just normal day to day activities.

So if you don't have a problem.... but we have a problem.... that means... there's a problem.