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They prefered to sell the old technology in the SE 2020.

Yep, a low cost Apple/iOS ecosystem entry point alternative for price conscious using last year’s powerful A13 CPU with cost effective amortized and reliable designs and parts. A good value.

Just as the 5S was a flagship, the new iPhone 12 mini is flagship level performance and features in a small form factor, appeals to those who most all of a flagship but don’t like the larger sizes- now they get their wish. So many people said they would pay anything to get this size back - we’ll see if they’re true to their words. I think we’ll be in for a pleasant surprise at how popular the 12 mini will be, particularly for women and anyone with smaller hands or skinny jeans!
 
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Interesting. I'm the opposite in that I'm either on my work device (MBP 15" connected to monitors), or my Mac/hackintosh (connected to same two monitors), or on the laptop somewhere in the house. I use the phone more as an extension, and my main apps (messages, Slack, safari etc) are all on the Macs that I use too. I guess I'm more of a Mini-user then. Interestingly my friend has said the same thing, he uses his max device for everything and barely turns on his laptop now. I couldn't do that!
Kind of hard to do that in retail. The salesfloor is our money maker, not my desk.
 
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IMO, since your battery was replaced you may have had to restore from a backup and lost settings. Would be a good idea to review all settings for display brightness, night mode or dark mode, app background refresh & cell usage, BT connections, WiFi vs cell data use, mail and app fetch vs manual, shut down unneeded notifications, location services access, data sharing, use an ad blocker, etc. iOS 13 & 14 have new charging algorithms that slow charge depending on your routine, extending battery life.

But if you’re an intensive user and consumer of graphics and streaming or gaming, you’re stressing your battery a lot - it’s a consumable with a finite number of charge cycles and heavy power draws before it degrades. So assume 2+ years of battery life and plan on an Apple replacement when you use it up. It’s really just that simple, it’s a reality. A very small price for the magnitude of mobile use you’ll get over its battery life.
I checked these settings when I noticed how quickly it was degrading. It hasn’t helped much. I have started using my phone for work since working from home in the middle of March (MS Teams & emails).

Is it better to start the phone from new or doesn’t it matter if you restore from iCloud?
 
THANK YOU FOR THE GRAPHICS!!!!

I've been searching for google images comparing sizes of the 7 and the 7+to the new phones and haven't had any luck. So these 2 images are exactly what I wanted to see. Thanks!!
 
I have a iPhone X and iPhone XR and switch between them all day. The XR is a great size so I so when I jump to the Max Pro for my primary phone the bump in size will be quite nice. I think the large since will work well since I consume so much content on my phone now.
 
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You’d rather they all be called iPhone 12 and let people guess what they ordered? You like Samsung jumping from S10 to S20?

How would you differentiate each of 4 models? A,B,C & D?

Not necessarily A, B, C, D, but they could set it up similar to how car companies differentiate trim levels of a vehicle model.

So something like:

2020 iPhone Limited
2020 iPhone Professional

or

iPhone 12 Limited
iPhone 12 Professional

And each year should follow a similar pattern instead of just throwing random letters or words at the end of a phone name like "SE" or "Mini".

All I'm saying is their naming is an absolute mess.
 
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Can't wait for the mini. I like my Xs, but all I ever wanted was an SE(1) with a full screen. I'm surprised they went for smaller batteries this round; the 11 Pro battery life is incredible compared to my Xs. Hopefully I will see a slight boost with the mini.

Was hoping for a Telephoto+Ultrawide camera array. All that processing power seems capable of merging the two for a mid-range image. LIDAR would have been nice on the non-pro. Can't have everything! Still excited.

Edit: Also, regarding the names, I hoped they would do something like this:
  • iPhone 12
  • iPhone 12 Plus
  • iPhone 12 Pro
  • iPhone 12 Max
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I will say that in comparing these dimensions the physical screen (not body) width and height are important.

After having a 6S Plus and 7 Plus, my iPhone X had a “larger screen” at 5.8” than those phones (5.5” screens) but a narrower and taller screen. This meant that my keyboard is more compact and leads to more typing errors.

I guess I’ll be learning to use Reachability more since I’m upgrading to the Pro Max. The 12 Pro at 6.1” doesn’t feel like a real size upgrade over my X which feels small.

I am 100% on board with this. I am not much of a fan of physical width of my 8+ but I can't conceive of going to a smaller keyboard. Screen size is not as important to me as is usability.

Do we know the width of the screens? I see the phone width specs but my understanding is bezels are smaller in the X models up to current so it may not be as significant of a difference.

Also, the 12 Pro Max is HEAVY. It's almost a full ounce more than my 8+.
 
I am 100% on board with this. I am not much of a fan of physical width of my 8+ but I can't conceive of going to a smaller keyboard. Screen size is not as important to me as is usability.

Do we know the width of the screens? I see the phone width specs but my understanding is bezels are smaller in the X models up to current so it may not be as significant of a difference.

Also, the 12 Pro Max is HEAVY. It's almost a full ounce more than my 8+.
I went and looked at Costco last night. The 11 is almost the same exact size as my X and that is essentially the size of the 12 and 12 Pro. The 11 Pro Max is close to the size of the 12 Pro Max. And so I looked at that. Yes I will have to use reachability more and get used to that because I rarely use it now, OR use it with 2 hands a lot. But I want the larger screen for more space since I read so much web and email content on my phone. I came home and since the 8 Plus that my wife has is virtually the same size as the Max phones, I put that in my pocket. Yes heavier than my X and larger, but I did have the 6 Plus, 6S Plus, and 7 Plus before the X. So the larger body shouldn't be an issue. While I do like that my iPhone X is more compact, I want more screen real estate.
 
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Really Really Really peeved that I need to get a Max to get the best camera. What I really want is a mini with the Pro Max camera. Make the battery a little smaller, it's a compromise I'm willing to live with. (and I'm sure others are too)

The best camera is the one you have with you, and I'd rather not have that giant slab on me. I'd much prefer something that easily fits in any pocket.

Yes, ofc...mini already due to the size have tiny battery of 2220. To put so huge sensors as in pro max this battery would be max 1500 and would last 1/4 of the day.
It would be nice to have this big camera there but let's be honest, battery life is way more important for most and many can't afford to plug it to the charger 2x during the day just to have a bit better camera
 
You’d rather they all be called iPhone 12 and let people guess what they ordered? You like Samsung jumping from S10 to S20?

How would you differentiate each of 4 models? A,B,C & D?



LCD/OLED, lower/higher res, thin & light/thick & heavy, same/bigger battery, same interior volume/room for new features, slight less/more battery life. It’s all design choices and compromises.

BTW, if you’re watching 17 hours straight of video, IMO, YOU’LL need to recharge, let alone your iPhone. Get your 6 hours min of sleep after you eat, pee/poop and shower! After that prep hour, your iPhone will have charged 50% and your Watch 100%. Or a quick few minutes on a wireless or MagSafe charger will help extend.



In 2-3 years, Apple will have an iPhone Pro Max UnFold Air that will open to a full size iPad with keyboard. You heard it here first!



Like the Samsung system? S10 to S20, 10, 10+, 10e, 20, 20+, 20 FE, 20 Ultra, all 20’s with 5G added, Active, Note, S, Z, A, J, Flip, Fold. And that’s just in the US! They literally have almost a hundred variations this year!

And you’re complaining about 4 main new iPhones, the SE and two older models?


Uh, a rounded edge case and you’re done. Your choice on display size.


Hope so. Will hit a demo that has been waiting, new clamoring for 5 years, abandoned by both Apple and Android.

Ironically, as soon as the mini finds success, there will be at least, at least 5-10 Android copies, some with notches, of that size to coattail on Apple’s success, complete with inferior hardware, lookalike software, even similar sounding “mini” names. Mark my words, Android will “rediscover” smaller phones.



IMO, since your battery was replaced you may have had to restore from a backup and lost settings. Would be a good idea to review all settings for display brightness, night mode or dark mode, app background refresh & cell usage, BT connections, WiFi vs cell data use, mail and app fetch vs manual, shut down unneeded notifications, location services access, data sharing, use an ad blocker, etc. iOS 13 & 14 have new charging algorithms that slow charge depending on your routine, extending battery life.

But if you’re an intensive user and consumer of graphics and streaming or gaming, you’re stressing your battery a lot - it’s a consumable with a finite number of charge cycles and heavy power draws before it degrades. So assume 2+ years of battery life and plan on an Apple replacement when you use it up. It’s really just that simple, it’s a reality. A very small price for the magnitude of mobile use you’ll get over its battery life.

Your choice, my choice. You don't have to like what I wrote, nor do I with you writing with, "Uh..."
 
I’ve been wanting a smaller iPhone for years. The battery life is a concern though, for me. I’m on 89% health after a year with a new battery in my X, so I’m worried the mini would have crap battery after 12 months & annoy me too much. I want mine to last me years, so how do I stop this happening again?

Heat is the worst thing for batteries. High wattage chargers make the phone hotter. At home I use the standard 5W charger to reduce heat and because the extra half an hour doesn't matter to me. The few times when I charge at work using a 10 or 12W charger is OK. Thick cases trap heat.

Don't run it down to 0%, or charge it to 100% all the time, is what they say. Get a battery alarm app that sounds when it reaches 90% and charge when it's down around 30%.

But I mostly followed those precautions except for the necessary thick Otterbox case and my XS was down to 84% health after two years. I guess it's because I used the phone a lot. Batteries are only rated for around 500 complete charge cycles. They are like printer toner cartridges, consumables, where replacing the battery after two to three years is a fact of life. I will certainly get my 12 mini's battery replaced at an Apple store once or twice. It's not much to pay compared to the phone.
 
I usually use this site to get easier to imagine size comparison


Wow. I calibrated the mini with my SE 1st gen, which more or less neatly hugs the inside of the mini's bezels so makes a small difference in size. It only just sticks out beyond the SE's shell. Take note, we are looking at a real compact phone here and there is a big difference between this and the 12/12 Pro.

You get a lot of screen, not far from the iPhone Plus models. But the mini's screen is only 5mm (1/5 inch) wider than the SE 1st gen's. That's a narrow screen in which to fit the keyboard. Or maybe it's enough to make up for the SE 1st gen.

Apple really did make it that small. The 12 mini is very likely as small as smartphones will ever get.
 
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Agreed. Coming from an iPhone 8 Plus, I am really hesitating b/w the 12 Pro or 12 Pro Max.
The 8+ has 5.5 inches vs 6.1 for the 12 but I have been used to and like the 16:9 aspect ratio of the 8+. The 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max have a 19.5:9 ratio.

Any thoughts?
 
Really Really Really peeved that I need to get a Max to get the best camera. What I really want is a mini with the Pro Max camera. Make the battery a little smaller, it's a compromise I'm willing to live with. (and I'm sure others are too)

The best camera is the one you have with you, and I'd rather not have that giant slab on me. I'd much prefer something that easily fits in any pocket.
I rather agree with you. I was initially excited to hear of the new mini until I heard it was missing the tele lens which is the one I use the most.

So instead I am now going for the Pro Max to get the new 2.5x camera as that is important to me. I would like the mini to carry around, but for photography and viewing will go the other way to the largest. Just will be a pain carrying when not wearing a jacket, but to put in perspective it is only slightly higher and exactly the same width as the old Plus size which I had for 3 years
 
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