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UBS28

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I have heard the bla bla bla how the iPhone only needs 4 gb of RAM, but with my usage it is BS.

My apps on the iPhone 11 Pro Max have to reload regularly.

So it is time Apple stops being cheap and put TOTL RAM instead of budget RAM specs on their flagship phone. There is no reason to put only 4gb in their flagship phones except being cheap and making more money.

Sadly, maybe the iPhone in the year 2039 might only have 8gb of RAM.
 

UBS28

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People say also 4 gb is enough which is clearly not true for my usage.

Just put atleast 12gb in it considering this is a $1500 phone so it stops apps from reloading.
 
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StumpyBloke

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Nope I disagree. It needs more than 4GB but 12? Certainly doesn’t need that much. Wouldn’t complain if it came with that though
 
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macintoshmac

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What is your usage? Care to elaborate? Are you sure 12 GB will be enough for your use?
 
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now i see it

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I doubt its the ram quantity installed that's causing apps to reload. 4 GB is plenty. I suspect it's iOS. My suspicion is if you had 64GB of ram installed (for and absurd example) apps would still reload when left in the background after a certain amount of time on the current version of iOS
 
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macintoshmac

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I doubt its the ram quantity installed that's causing apps to reload. 4 GB is plenty. I suspect it's iOS. My suspicion is if you had 64GB of ram installed (for and absurd example) apps would still reload when left in the background after a certain amount of time on the current version of iOS

You are right. To me it seems this is something that can be resolved with better coding and bug-fixing. But hey, the OP needs 12 GB RAM in his next phone, who are we to deny? ;) If we get even half of what he needs, we'd have a lot of room to play with for some years.
 
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macintoshmac

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There's no such thing as an overkill of RAM. More RAM is always welcome.

On a computer, true to a large extent. On tablet-sized devices, true to some extent. However, on phones where the action is at (constant addition of new features that make people jump at them about biennially on average), more than necessary RAM is going to be waste of resources. We replace phones the most often between phones, tablets and computers.
 
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Bandaman

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On a computer, true to a large extent. On tablet-sized devices, true to some extent. However, on phones where the action is at (constant addition of new features that make people jump at them about biennially on average), more than necessary RAM is going to be waste of resources. We replace phones the most often between phones, tablets and computers.
I fail to see the correlation between the upgrade rate of your phone and how it has anything to do with the benefits of more RAM.
 
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VertPin

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No it doesn’t. We’ll get likely 6GB of RAM and that’ll be enough.
 
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revmacian

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I have heard the bla bla bla how the iPhone only needs 4 gb of RAM, but with my usage it is BS.

My apps on the iPhone 11 Pro Max have to reload regularly.

So it is time Apple stops being cheap and put TOTL RAM instead of budget RAM specs on their flagship phone. There is no reason to put only 4gb in their flagship phones except being cheap and making more money.

Sadly, maybe the iPhone in the year 2039 might only have 8gb of RAM.
Which version of iOS 13 are you running? There was a version with aggressive RAM management that reloaded apps too frequently, but it appears that issue has been resolved in the latest iOS.
 
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loybond

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When it come to specs, you want overkill. The iPhone 11 models have CPU overkill, why shouldn't they have RAM overkill? It'll make for a better experience, and better longevity. Plus, the phone is priced as premium as it gets.

Anybody that wants reasonable, says I don't need more etc. feel free to shop for things like the regular iPhone 11 or Pixel 3a.
 
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macintoshmac

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I fail to see the correlation between the upgrade rate of your phone and how it has anything to do with the benefits of more RAM.

Most people do not keep their iPhones long enough for the specs in their phones to become a bottleneck for them. Given that RAM in current iPhones is sufficient, the concept of more RAM in iPhones is immaterial.

However, when it comes to tablets, people do not buy new tablets every year or even two years. Tablets can do with "more RAM" so that they last longer between upgrades.

The concept of more RAM shines in case of desktops and laptops where people usually keep their computers for as long as they work to their requirements, and RAM is one of the first things that creates any serious bottleneck on desktops and laptops.

People are accustomed to future-proofing their laptops and desktops the most, then the tablets, and least of all their phones.
 
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Mac OS runs fine on 8. iOS doesn't need 12. If anything, the issue is memory management, not having too few GBs.
 
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macintoshmac

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Mac OS runs fine on 8. iOS doesn't need 12. If anything, the issue is memory management, not having too few GBs.

Absolutely. macOS runs fine on 8 GB even today and 8 GB has been coming for some time now since desktops and laptops need that headroom. On iOS, it is memory management that is posing issues at the moment, not GBs as you rightly said.
 
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JPack

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Most people do not keep their iPhones long enough for the specs in their phones to become a bottleneck for them. Given that RAM in current iPhones is sufficient, the concept of more RAM in iPhones is immaterial.

However, when it comes to tablets, people do not buy new tablets every year or even two years. Tablets can do with "more RAM" so that they last longer between upgrades.

The concept of more RAM shines in case of desktops and laptops where people usually keep their computers for as long as they work to their requirements, and RAM is one of the first things that creates any serious bottleneck on desktops and laptops.

People are accustomed to future-proofing their laptops and desktops the most, then the tablets, and least of all their phones.

The average smartphone replacement cycle is 33 months, according to 2019 data. Back in 2016, it was 24 months. Everyone is waiting longer before upgrading.

When iPhone 5G comes out, the replacement cycle will likely be close to 4 years. While 6GB is likely enough, 8GB of RAM would better allow iPhone 5G to serve 4 years.
 
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macintoshmac

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The average smartphone replacement cycle is 33 months, according to 2019 data. Back in 2016, it was 24 months. Everyone is waiting longer before upgrading.

When iPhone 5G comes out, the replacement cycle will likely be close to 4 years. While 6GB is likely enough, 8GB of RAM would better allow iPhone 5G to serve 4 years.

I agree we need more RAM if we keep the device for longer.
 
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Petrophas

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iOS devices with 4GB regularly have to reload apps and Safari tabs. And you guys think that bumping it up to 6GB is enough? Also enough to futureproof at least 2-3 years?

Stop falling for Apple's bull and realize you're getting royally ripped off. 12GB is probably overload, but for a "Pro" device, it shouldn't be.
 
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iOS devices with 4GB regularly have to reload apps and Safari tabs. And you guys think that bumping it up to 6GB is enough? Also enough to futureproof at least 2-3 years?

Stop falling for Apple's bull and realize you're getting royally ripped off. 12GB is probably overload, but for a "Pro" device, it shouldn't be.
"Pro" is an Apple marketing gimmick. It's meaningless in practical terms.

Reloading apps and Safari tabs are the result of RAM management, not having too few GBs.
 
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maxjohnson2

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It’s more about RAM management. What I would like to see, which will not happen, is the ability to lock an app, which is keeps it in memory and not close in the background. Both LG and Samsung have this feature.

Probably the type of person that leaves 15 tabs of safari open for weeks on end, and expects them to keep their exact state.
Everyone’s iphone and Samsung I’ve seen have at least 50+ tabs open.
 
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