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iPhone 12 Pre-Order Dates: 6.1-Inch Models on Friday, Mini and Pro Max Models on November 6

ballyhoos said:
Those prices are insane for a phone, and no accessories. How anyone can justify spending that much money on a phone is beyond me.
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Seriously? It may be different in other markets, but in NA almost no one buys a phone outright. They tack on an interest free payment for either the duration of your contract or you enroll in an annual or bi-annual replacement plan.
 
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minivini said:
I agree. At this point, not going all usb-c is absurd. I do find the new mag-safe system really compelling, though!
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I'm guessing this is a transition year away from Lightening to truly wireless (as the rumors already say they're working toward). MagSafe solves the main issue with wireless, its hard to use when charging. Now you can pickup the device and still use it while it charges. And for those with USB devices like most CarPlay out there we can continue to use them. Not sure how they'll solve that in the future as most people don't have wireless CarPlay but that's my guess.
 
So basically, the iPhone 12 is $799 compared to the iPhone 11 for $699 when released last year. Plus, you may need to buy your own adapter ($20 Apple Store) and ear phones ($20 Apple Store). That's $140 price increase or 20%. Did I get that right or am I missing something?
 
That picture shows a magnetic connector on the side just like an iPad Pro but there’s no mention of it in the official specs on the Apple website?

Futureproofing or mistake on the press images? Hmm....
 
minivini said:
Seriously? It may be different in other markets, but in NA almost no one buys a phone outright. They tack on an interest free payment for either the duration of your contract or you enroll in an annual or bi-annual replacement plan.
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I am in US and always buy my iPhones outright, then just trade in again the next year or sell on my own next year, as they hold their value really well. :)
 
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Unlocker said:
That picture shows a magnetic connector on the side just like an iPad Pro but there’s no mention of it in the official specs on the Apple website?

Futureproofing or mistake on the press images? Hmm....
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Isn't that a sim tray?
 
WiseAJ said:
No iPhone has a USB C port (And hopefully never will)
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EU requires phones to support USB-C and technically it is suppose to be the primary connection on the phone. All other phone manufacturers have to support USB-C... but Apple got a waver because of the Lightning ecosystem and is allows to support USB-C by including an adapter cable.

EU would prefer Apple to switch ASAP so that all devices are using the same standard.
 
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Isn't that a sim tray?
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Doesn’t look like one!
 
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Biorunner said:
A device that’s basically a computer in your pocket with more power than most laptops with sub dslr/compact camera fidelity - it’s pretty easy to justify a device with those specs that you use every single day for myriad tasks.

I agree I wouldn’t pay these prices just to make phone calls but this isn’t a phone like a £100 Nokia from 2004.

The phone part is actually the most boring thing about this device.
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Maybe but it's a really a phone from 2008~ and still doesn't justfiy a $399.00 to $699.00 > $1099 leap in pricing over a 12+ year period in terms of manufacturing costs. And to be frank, there's nothing "new" here as a product to justify the price difference, only upgrades to a 2008 $399.00 phone. Everything else is marketing to justify removing your hard earned cash from your pocket.
 
ballyhoos said:
Maybe but it's a really a phone from 2008~ and still doesn't justfiy a $399.00 to $699.00 leap in pricing over a 12+ year period in terms of manufacturing costs. And to be frank, there's nothing "new" here as a product to justify the price difference, only upgrades to a 2008 $399.00 phone. Everything else is marketing to justify removing your hard earned cash from your pocket.
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A good article showing prices from original iPhone to the first iPhone X:

venturebeat.com

iPhone prices from the original to iPhone X

It’s official: The iPhone X is the most expensive iPhone to date. Starting at $999, the iPhone X is basically the price of two original iPhones. Smartphone prices have been on the rise for years, and Apple’s announcements today are merely the latest example of this trend. There are a variety of...
venturebeat.com venturebeat.com
 
minivini said:
Seriously? It may be different in other markets, but in NA almost no one buys a phone outright. They tack on an interest free payment for either the duration of your contract or you enroll in an annual or bi-annual replacement plan.
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If you can't afford it outright, then your can't really afford it. That's called foolishly living outside your means. I understand businesses doing it but not indivduals. Have you done the maths on what people end up paying for the phone while in contract because it's alot more than buying it outright.

"Get in debt early kids. The earlier the better."
 
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ballyhoos said:
Maybe but it's a really a phone from 2008~ and still doesn't justfiy a $399.00 to $699.00 > $1099 leap in pricing over a 12+ year period in terms of manufacturing costs. And to be frank, there's nothing "new" here as a product to justify the price difference, only upgrades to a 2008 $399.00 phone. Everything else is marketing to justify removing your hard earned cash from your pocket.
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Just ignore everything else they added in that time period. You've got to pay for your own chip/sensor R&D somehow. While expensive, these devices are well worth the price they charge for what you get; they're better than 50% of computers out there. They're definitely going to put the neural and ML engines into Apple Silicon further increasing their lead in chip design because it won't have the same thermal and power limits battery powered devices do. The days of CPU & GPU only being adequate are almost over. To compete in the future Intel/AMD need to be on the specialized core train or they will get left behind.
 
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Mainsail said:
So basically, the iPhone 12 is $799 compared to the iPhone 11 for $699 when released last year. Plus, you may need to buy your own adapter ($20 Apple Store) and ear phones ($20 Apple Store). That's $140 price increase or 20%. Did I get that right or am I missing something?
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"But it's a basically a computer in your pocket, so it's totally justifiable."
 
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I currently own an XR but I'm all in on a 6.1 inch 12 Pro. My wife's old Google Pixel is looking long in the tooth so she'll get my XR. For what she does (Facebook, games) it should be plenty of phone for her.
 
QuarterSwede said:
Just ignore everything else they added in that time period. You've got to pay for your own chip/sensor R&D somehow. While expensive, these devices are well worth the price they charge for what you get; they're better than 50% of computers out there. They're definitely going to put the neural and ML engines into Apple Silicon further increasing their lead in chip design because it won't have the same thermal and power limits battery powered devices do. The days of CPU & GPU only being adequate are almost over. To compete in the future Intel/AMD need to be on the specialized core train or they will get left behind.
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All those things you meantioned were the very same issues they faced back then, to produce the very first phone also, and more. The original phone was $399.00, and that was with all needed breakthroughs in manfacturing and technology that did not exist needed to produce and sell a phone at $399.00

Everything today and what you mentioned are only "upgrades" to the original phone. There's nothing really new here, as this is normal tech. evolution, and to lower costs by bringing them inhouse also.

You even stated yourself "While expensive". The price of that $399.00 phone is now $699 or even $1099. And that's not including the additional headphones and charger one needs, so chalk up an additional $40.00 to that price.
 
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ballyhoos said:
All those things you meantioned were the very same issues they faced back then, to produce the very first phone also. The original phone was $399.00, and that was with all needed breakthroughs in manfacturing and technology that did not exist needed to produce and sell a phone at $399.00

Everything today is only "upgrades" to the original phone. There's nothing really new here, as this is normal computer evolution.

You even stated yourself "While expensive". The price of that $399.00 phone is now $699 or even $1099. And that's not including the additional headphones and charger one needs, so chalk up an additional $40.00 to that price.
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They didn't make their own chips at all. Those were bin parts.
 
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