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Fantastic News!!! “Project Trump” iPhone 12 Mini here we come!!! View attachment 965909Right after re-election day!
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A more nimble, lighter and refined device for those with more delicate hands that comes with an exquisite pallet to suit Patriots. The Trump iPhone 12 Mini.

Take that political BS some where else. I come here for tech news not politics.
 
Maybe but it's a really a phone from 2008~ and still doesn't justfiy a $399.00 to $699.00 > $1099 leap in pricing over a 12+ year period in terms of manufacturing costs. And to be frank, there's nothing "new" here as a product to justify the price difference, only upgrades to a 2008 $399.00 phone. Everything else is marketing to justify removing your hard earned cash from your pocket.

Over a phone from 2007, dude there’s plenty new here!

The phone from 2007 didn’t run on Apple Silicon and ran mostly off of standardised parts. Relative to the time, the original iPhone was expensive based on the fact it was a 2G phone in a time of 3G and couldn’t shoot video until the 3GS model in 2009.

I think comparing devices like this doesn’t work. You have to look at the innovation in chipset technologies, structural technologies and imaging technologies. The fact that Apple is now in a position to make a laptop from “phone” parts is mind blowing.


Apple provides a low end (SE model) and a high end (Pro Max). I can’t really see the problem here as they still give you the same choice of a £399 price point which less that the £499 base price of the iPhone 3G when it launched in the UK.

At the end of the day you do have a choice nobody is forcing you to buy a phone every year and iOS covers at least 4 years of phones.

I have an iPhone X that I bought outright in 2017, if I changed the battery I could get a good 2-3 more years out of it. Seems like good value for money to me.
 
I have an 11 Pro Max for work but my personal phone is a 8 Plus. Learning towards trading in that personal phone for a 12 Pro. The added time + cost + size of the Max tips it ever so slightly towards the Pro...
 
They didn't make their own chips at all. Those were bin parts.

Bin parts.. haha sure. Quite selective in your reply I see.

They make their own chips now because it gives them control over development esp. for battery drain to use cheaper batteries, and lowers costs. sure expensive at first but business outlays generally pay themselves off after about 2~ years. How long have they been developing their own chips for now?
 
Bin parts.. haha sure. Quite selective in your reply I see.

They make their own chips now because it gives them control over development esp. for battery drain to use cheaper batteries, and lowers costs. sure expensive at first but business outlays generally pay themselves off after about 2~ years. How long have they been developing their own chips for now?
They aren't using the same chip they first designed either. R&D never ends.
 
Over a phone from 2007, dude there’s plenty new here!

The phone from 2007 didn’t run on Apple Silicon and ran mostly off of standardised parts. Relative to the time, the original iPhone was expensive based on the fact it was a 2G phone in a time of 3G and couldn’t shoot video until the 3GS model in 2009.

I think comparing devices like this doesn’t work. You have to look at the innovation in chipset technologies, structural technologies and imaging technologies. The fact that Apple is now in a position to make a laptop from “phone” parts is mind blowing.


Apple provides a low end (SE model) and a high end (Pro Max). I can’t really see the problem here as they still give you the same choice of a £399 price point which less that the £499 base price of the iPhone 3G when it launched in the UK.

At the end of the day you do have a choice nobody is forcing you to buy a phone every year and iOS covers at least 4 years of phones.

I have an iPhone X that I bought outright in 2017, if I changed the battery I could get a good 2-3 more years out of it. Seems like good value for money to me.

Sorry it would've been alot more expensive to develop the original iphone than today's as none of the manufacturing and technology was there yet. Hence why it was called a break through device. Today the manfucturing of phones is common place unlike pre 2008.

Goes to show the devalution of the currency over that period also. Money dones't go as far as it use too it would seem.
 
If you can't afford it outright, then your can't really afford it. That's called foolishly living outside your means. I understand businesses doing it but not indivduals. Have you done the maths on what people end up paying for the phone while in contract because it's alot more than buying it outright.

"Get in debt early kids. The earlier the better."
Do you recognize the difference between going into debt because you can’t afford something and paying via an installment plan or upgrade path because you have no intention to keep the item longer than a year or two? This is no different than leasing a car, only there is no interest paid. Save your sanctimonious over-generalizations for someone who doesn’t understand economics.
 
All those things you meantioned were the very same issues they faced back then, to produce the very first phone also, and more. The original phone was $399.00, and that was with all needed breakthroughs in manfacturing and technology that did not exist needed to produce and sell a phone at $399.00

Everything today and what you mentioned are only "upgrades" to the original phone. There's nothing really new here, as this is normal tech. evolution, and to lower costs by bringing them inhouse also.

You even stated yourself "While expensive". The price of that $399.00 phone is now $699 or even $1099. And that's not including the additional headphones and charger one needs, so chalk up an additional $40.00 to that price.

Most of these posts are unsubstantiated fluff. Care to do a feature-by-feature comparison between the 2007 and 2020 iPhone (any 2020 will do) and a component comparison cost adjusted for inflation? I think not. Anything else is just opinion.

The introductory price of the iPhone in 2007 was $599. It was cut by $200 10 weeks later. $599 in 2007 dollars is $762 dollars in 2020. Would you pay $762 for a phone today with the original iPhone specifications? Why not, lol?
 
Do you recognize the difference between going into debt because you can’t afford something and paying via an installment plan or upgrade path because you have no intention to keep the item longer than a year or two? This is no different than leasing a car, only there is no interest paid. Save your sanctimonious over-generalizations for someone who doesn’t understand economics.

No interest paid? What do you think the "installment" or "leasing" is? It may not be called interest but it's an additional cost for using someone elses money to give the end user a phone.

I see economics isn't your strong point either.
 
Actually in the US your plan will be higher with the ‘no interest’ installments vs a phone that is already paid for. They just charge the interest via the plan rate, features, surcharges, something. You don’t get anything for free from US carriers. If you find the installments acceptable, that’s fine.

And at least one time, when I paid the phone off, the rate did not automatically go down. I had to go ask. I just buy outright and unlocked now.
 
No interest paid? What do you think the "installment" or "leasing" is? It may not be called interest but it's an additional cost for using someone elses money to give the end user a phone.

I see economics isn't your strong point either.
Let me see you f I can break this down for you in the simplest terms possible. Use Google if you don’t understand any words...
The plan I use costs the same whether I purchase a device outright or whether I break it up into a number of payments. At the end of the prescribed term, I can pay the balance, continue paying until the balance is paid, or “trade in” presuming the device is undamaged. With the exception of sales tax I pay at the time of purchase, there no additional fees associated with my purchase. Effectively I am “leasing” to own my device without penalty.
I’ll give you some time to look up any big words and to wrap your head around the concept. Good luck and sod off.
 
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I see two model numbers A2341 and A2342. They look the same to me, will one of these work on all 4 carriers ??
 
Actually in the US your plan will be higher with the ‘no interest’ installments vs a phone that is already paid for. They just charge the interest via the plan rate, features, surcharges, something. You don’t get anything for free from US carriers. If you find the installments acceptable, that’s fine.

And at least one time, when I paid the phone off, the rate did not automatically go down. I had to go ask. I just buy outright and unlocked now.
My current upgrade plan isn’t with my carrier. Rest assured, though, carriers aren’t losing money when subsidizing phone purchases. That’s part of their pricing structure to begin with.
 
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Sorry it would've been alot more expensive to develop the original iphone than today's as none of the manufacturing and technology was there yet. Hence why it was called a break through device. Today the manfucturing of phones is common place unlike pre 2008.

Goes to show the devalution of the currency over that period also. Money dones't go as far as it use too it would seem.

If it was so common place then Apple wouldn’t be one of the market leaders in phone tech and ARM tech.

The iPad was actually developed before the iPhone so a lot of the work had already been done in terms of expense for the iPhone project.

I think you’re missing the point though. There is a current iPhone available at near enough the same price as the original iPhone.

It’s literally the difference between the MacBook Air and a top of the line MacBook Pro. Just get what you need or keep your current device. Nobody’s getting robbed here it’s all about choice.
 
Are they though? They just released an update that is bricking phones....

BrickFest 2020

I only say that cuz I’m salty. I just want to play Xbox on my phone. It’s dumb EVERY SINGLE phone besides iPhones can do it.
Someone even put XCloud on their smart fridge the other day.
Apple is no longer innovative. It’s all about the bottom line with Tim Apple.
 
The 12 blue does look great. I like it much better than the Pacific Blue of the Pro. The non-Pros always seem to get the better colors.
 
the obvious choice is always to wait as the next model MUST be better if Apple wants people to buy. Next year, its looking quite decent: we can look for a bump in megapixel count, sensor shift tech to make it to the other lenses, 120mhz promotion, A15, 2nd gen 5G, etc.

Agreed. I’m on the Apple upgrade program. So I’ll get that one too. :)
 
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More than $2,000 Canadian for a maxed out Pro Max.

Maybe Santa will deliver one otherwise I’ll just live vicariously through you folks who get one.
 
Those prices are insane for a phone, and no accessories. How anyone can justify spending that much money on a phone is beyond me.
So .... is what you're saying that it's the wall plug and headphones that sell every other phone? Like - a Pixel or Galaxy or Note or folding / flipping whatever, they're pretty good. But, without the toss away headphones and basic charger it's not worth it?
 
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