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iPhone 12 Pro Iphone 12 series - a downgrade?

I understand what OP is trying to say. I’m not going to attack you in anyway lol. The upgrades are minimal over the 11 (pro). Until we see real world usage we won’t really know what battery life is like. However, just because the battery is smaller spec wise does NOT always equate to worse battery life. Go back to the 6 to 6s for example. The iPhone 6s was better than the 6 in battery life even though it had 95 MaH less than the 6. I know that’s not exactly comparing Apples to Apples (no pun) but it’s not always the case.

Of course the 12 battery life will not be the huge leap the 11 series battery life was compared to the XS. That was a HUGE leap.

I believe the 12 pro is an upgrade over the 11 pro, but it’s incremental. However, the target isn’t people that own an iPhone 11 Pro or Pro Max. It would be better to ask an XS owner or an iPhone X owner ... iPhone 8,7 and 6s owners. This is a HUGE upgrade to those people. Totally different design (besides the notch).

Personally I have an iPhone 11 (peasant edition), iPhone XS and iPhone SE 2nd Gen. I’ve been using my SE way more than my iPhone 11. When talking about the iPhone 11 vs iPhone 12 (peasant editions) ... it’s a BIGGER upgrade. Just the screen from the 11 to the 12 is considered an upgrade by many.

I do understand what you’re trying to say. I may not necessarily agree with it, but it’s your opinion and in some ways you’re correct.

Also I’m not saying peasant edition being seriously ... just what Flossy Carter says and it’s very funny when he does lol.
 
hlfway2anywhere said:
The iPhone 12 and 12 Pro aren't marketed to you, an iPhone 11 Pro owner. But even if they were, ignoring the changes to the actual physical body of the phone, these aren't all negligible improvements. Maybe they don't matter to YOU but "downgrade" is absolute hyperbolic nonsense.

iPhone 12 vs iPhone 11 Pro
6.1" vs 5.8" display
5G vs 4G
A14 vs A13
Ceramic Shield front with 4x better drop performance
6 meters vs 4 meters water resistance
Magsafe
Night mode on all cameras/portrait mode/time lapse
Deep fusion on front camera

Improvements to the 12 Pro:
All of the above, plus
Dolby Vision HDR video recording
LiDAR Scanner
2x base storage
Apple ProRAW
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Exactly what I was saying. iPhones aren’t marketed to be upgraded yearly like they once were. Yes I remember as recently as iPhone 7 I was upgrading yearly. Heck actually iPhone X... I got the 7 then got the 8 Plus then got the X as well. Honestly I still probably upgrade yearly but that’s beside the point. They’re marketed more now to be used for 2-3 years compared to back in the early 2010’s
 
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braindamage-89 said:
Lets be honest.

The features introduced by iphone 12 series are minimal and some may argue that this is a downgrade from 11 pro.

- 5g is irrelevant in most countries and LTE is already adequate in terms of speed/download sizes of files used in a mobile device.
- magsafe: save from being cool offers nothing at the moment.
- cameras: essentially the same.wider lens and other software little contribute to the overall quality. The dolby vision etc cannot be utilised in other monitors or devices yet.
SOC: a13 already fast
- display, speakers, bezels, all the same
- battery life: even worse

My question is: what does iphone 12 bring to the table?
Imo effectively brings reduced battery life and longevity in that respect.
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I guess that means you can continue using your current phone while saving yourself some money. You should be thrilled.
 
Depends on what device you are coming from. Apple doesn't have some contact with their users that states that every year has to be a mind blowing upgrade. First of all its not feasible. Second of all, they don't need to do that.

I think if you are coming from an XS or below this is a pretty big upgrade in my opinion. If you have an 11 even, the 12 has the nicer OLED Screen. If you have the 11Pro then no, its not that big of an upgrade but you are still a winner because you save $1000 and can wait until next year to see if its worth it.
 
What a hot take this is.

Just because 5g isn’t important to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t important. A faster processor and added ram aren’t exciting upgrades, but they are upgrades. If I owned an 11 pro, I wouldn’t be upgrading this cycle, but I never gave any thought to buying an 11 pro over a 12 pro.
 
braindamage-89 said:
Lets be honest.

The features introduced by iphone 12 series are minimal and some may argue that this is a downgrade from 11 pro.

- 5g is irrelevant in most countries and LTE is already adequate in terms of speed/download sizes of files used in a mobile device.
- magsafe: save from being cool offers nothing at the moment.
- cameras: essentially the same.wider lens and other software little contribute to the overall quality. The dolby vision etc cannot be utilised in other monitors or devices yet.
SOC: a13 already fast
- display, speakers, bezels, all the same
- battery life: even worse

My question is: what does iphone 12 bring to the table?
Imo effectively brings reduced battery life and longevity in that respect.
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What did the iphone 11 pro bring to the table. Once that list is understood, we can discuss what the iphone 12 pro brings to the table.
 
laptech said:
That is not a valid example because the 11 pro picture is taken with night mode off. Put night mode on THEN compare both pictures.
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The whole point is that on the 11 Pro, you only have night mode on the wide camera.
On the 12 models night mode is available on ALL 4 cameras.

These pictures were taken on the ultra wide on both phones and therefore the night mode CANNOT be turned on for the 11 Pro
 
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braindamage-89 said:
Refer to an improvement.
cameras? If i showed you two
Photos you would not be able to distinguish
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I can tell.
:p
 
Billyk711 said:
Yea let’s be honest, how high were you when you posted this? I’ll give you credit It’s pretty funny
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Do you just go into every post of people and ask them wether they are high to make yourself feel superior?
 
The 12 replaces the 11. In that scenario the upgrade is significant. And if you think the upgrades are minimal you don’t have to buy any iPhone 12.
 
braindamage-89 said:
Lets be honest.

The features introduced by iphone 12 series are minimal and some may argue that this is a downgrade from 11 pro.

- 5g is irrelevant in most countries and LTE is already adequate in terms of speed/download sizes of files used in a mobile device.
- magsafe: save from being cool offers nothing at the moment.
- cameras: essentially the same.wider lens and other software little contribute to the overall quality. The dolby vision etc cannot be utilised in other monitors or devices yet.
SOC: a13 already fast
Click to expand...
If you are the sort that upgrades every year, then yes, iPhone 12 series isn't a huge leap from iPhone 11 series. But it offers far more than iPhone 11 did against iPhone XS/XR series.

Apple fumbled 5G presentation by overselling it (brought to you by Verizon). 5G obviously depends heavily on your coverage, and even if you are covered by 5G, it's probably not as dramatic as 4G/LTE was (unless you are outdoor and covered by mmWave).

I think MagSafe is more significant than you think. It is a first step toward eliminating the Lightning port, and it solves Qi's biggest weakness, alignment. If you ever used MagSafe MacBooks or Apple Watch, it is a superior way to charge your device in every ways you slice it. Also, cases attaching to iPhone magnetically is an interesting idea, as well as MagSafe attachments.

All the reviews I read suggests very substantial camera improvements, especially in low light and mixed lighting (HDR dark and bright) situations. And while many lack Dolby Vision displays today, you cannot re-shoot video. I always shoot video in highest quality (but at 24-30 fps as I prefer cinematic look) for this reason.

And there's the elephant in the room: design.
  • 6.1" iPhone 12 and 12 Pro are roughly the same dimension as 5.8" iPhone 12 Pro. That is a huge win.
  • For fans of one hand ergonomics, 5.4" iPhone 12 mini. I mean, come on!
  • I consider iPhone 4/5 design as the pinnacle of iPhone design. With iPhone 12, Apple finally brings the best design elements with modern technology.
 
Every year people try and justify their need to have the latest and greatest and likewise people will try and justify why not to upgrade. The iPhone 12 series is absolutely an upgrade, physically a different design (after 3 generations!) and the addition of 5G and pretty big camera upgrades for anyone to say the 12 is a downgrade is just flat out trying to justify something for themselves and are not being objective at all.
 
What you talking about? It's the greatest thing that happened in 2020:

- It will provide me access to 5G 100% of the time in 2022 with only 20% hit to the remaining 80% battery capacity.
- I will use the MagSafe tech to buy a magnetic battery pack in 2022 to keep battery at 100% capacity.
- Cameras are huge for pixel peeper like me. I will zoom in 150% and compare with 11 pro every time to enjoy the infinitely better picture quality.
- Dolby Vision is the greatest thing happen to human kind. Ah shoot, Samsung TV don't support it at the moment. But that's not gonna stop me from buying a bunch of Dolby Vision compatible TVs in the future and make America great again.
- 0.2in (pro max) increase in screen size is an instant increase in size of my ego and quality of life!
-SoC: Need for speed, enuff said. Any micro second I can save while scrolling through safari, insta, fb is the micro second I can use to invest in Apple's stock!

This entire thread is invalid. Go out, buy iPhone 12 and vote!
 
The 12 series is definitely an upgrade over the 11 series except battery life. Is it worth the upgrade? I don’t think so but that’s just me. The 12 series isn’t as big of an upgrade compared to XS/XS Max to 11 series. That was a pretty significant upgrade especially in the battery life department.
 
Have never used selfie camera and have only taken a few night shots on my 11 pro in over a year. But use wide and telephoto all the time. 12 is a downgrade for me.
 
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