iPhone 13 Camera Comparison: If You Have an Older iPhone, It's Time to Upgrade

[The-Real-Deal82]

The iPhone 11 I have for work takes a much better picture than the ones in the test here!! Why does it look so bad?

 

[Menneisyys2]

Obvious and disgusting Iphone 13 shill campaign where the reviewers degrade the Iphone 11' lens on purpose to make Iphone 13's quality stand out. At this point I would question everything these guys do and say.

Check Max Tech's (Big Apple shill) iPhone 13 Pro Max vs 12 & 11 Pro Max video to see how Iphone 13 Pro Max is barely edging Iphone 11 & 12 Pro Max, sometimes even performing worse than those two in some situations.

Not worth the upgrade. It's all ********

thanks for the tip. They NEVER mention flare issues at all with the 11, except for the selfie lens, but
1, with that lens, even the 12 PM delivered weak results.
2, the MR "review" is all about the back lens, not the selfie one

 

[Ben1l]

What a COMPLETELY useless test!!!!
The lens on 2 of the iPhones must have been caked in finger grease!

 

[Chefclean]

The iPhone 12 is SO similar to the 13 that it isn't even shown here. That, in itself, states volumes. Perhaps Apple should consider NOT releasing a new phone every year? How about every two years. I would presume that upgrading from a 12 to 13 is redundant.

 

[The Game 161]

The iPhone 12 is SO similar to the 13 that it isn't even shown here. That, in itself, states volumes. Perhaps Apple should consider NOT releasing a new phone every year? How about every two years. I would presume that upgrading from a 12 to 13 is redundant.

Maybe for the non pro models…

 

[citysnaps]

They should still have taken down and re-shoot the "review" as it's completely useless and can, by many, indeed be considered as a direct advertisement for Apple. No wonder a lot of people think MR purposefully messed up the 11 to drive up sales of the 13.

I myself don't think they did this purposefully, I just think they made a FATAL mistake by not carefully evaluating what they put in their "review" and should redo the entire video with a non-compromised iPhone 11.

The video is not completely useless. That's your knee jerk conclusion because you do not like the results. From my perspective, as a photographer who has made several hundred thousand photographs, many from iPhones over many years, and shooting with an iPhone exclusively for the last five, is that as careful as you try to be, camera phones due to their nature and limitations (the camera phone and the person operating it) do not deliver 100% perfection 100% of the time. That's why when using my phone, and if I can, I'll make multiple exposures when shooting a scene or a subject I care about. I even do that with a so-called "real cameras" because stuff happens with imperfect cameras in an imperfect world and controlled by a human. And that is why in the majority of situations, when making photographs I get good results. Which also goes to why I say "making" instead of "taking" photographs (however, that's another subject I can write pages about).

What I find astonishing is some people here leaping to the conclusion and stating publicly that MacRumors, Dan, and MR editors are doing something sneaky and unethical. That's over top and deserving of an apology.

 

[himanshumodi]

The video is not completely useless. That's your knee jerk conclusion because you do not like the results. From my perspective, as a photographer who has made several hundred thousand photographs, many from iPhones over many years, and shooting with an iPhone exclusively for the last five, is that as careful as you try to be, camera phones due to their nature and limitations (the camera phone and the person operating it) do not deliver 100% perfection 100% of the time. That's why when using my phone, and if I can, I'll make multiple exposures when shooting a scene or a subject I care about. I even do that with a so-called "real cameras" because stuff happens with imperfect cameras in an imperfect world and controlled by a human. And that is why in the majority of situations, when making photographs I get good results. Which also goes to why I say "making" instead of "taking" photographs (however, that's another subject I can write pages about).

What I find astonishing is some people here leaping to the conclusion and stating publicly that MacRumors, Dan, and MR editors are doing something sneaky and unethical. That's over top and deserving of an apology.

The readers don't have to be macrumors apologists. The iPhone 11 photos here are clearly worse than real-life pictures. Even if it's not a deliberate iphone-12 pushing article, what the editors could have done is taken down the article. If it's still up, then readers are going to rant.

 

[citysnaps]

The readers don't have to be macrumors apologists. The iPhone 11 photos here are clearly worse than real-life pictures. Even if it's not a deliberate iphone-12 pushing article, what the editors could have done is taken down the article. If it's still up, then readers are going to rant.

Apologists? Why am I not surprised?

"If it's still up, then readers are going to rant."

It's one thing to rant. It's quite another to accuse MacRumors, Dan, and MR editors of being sneaky and unethical trying to mislead their readers.

 

[hasanahmad]

I watched the video again. That's hardly proof.

While the iPhone 11 images aren't as good as the 13's, I see nothing that rises to and substantiates what you're asserting; that MR, Dan, and the editor who wrote the Update addendum at the end of the story are doing something intentionally unethical/dishonest/sleazy to influence MacRumors' readers.

the video is proof . Why ?

1. The video shows iPhone 11 images heavily hazy and smudged , even more so than iPhone 6
2. Everyone calls macrumors out on it and I mean everyone
3. Macrumors double downs and says this iPhone has been cleaned and our guy Dan has verified.
4. Macrumors double down again and say past images of iPhone 11 support their content
5. Macrumors own comparison of iPhone 11 with iPhone 12 last year refute their assertion because this haze and smudge is nowhere to be found
6. The fact that macrumors refuse to say yes their phone is defective or they did not clean their lens and went with the we cleaned it and its a good camera lens is proof positive of their bad intent
7. No iPhone 11 user is being fooled by this.
8. if they never double downed I could have said they made a mistake using a dirty or bad lens camera but no they double downed

 

[citysnaps]

the video is proof . Why ?

1. The video shows iPhone 11 images heavily hazy and smudged , even more so than iPhone 6
2. Everyone calls macrumors out on it and I mean everyone
3. Macrumors double downs and says this iPhone has been cleaned and our guy Dan has verified.
4. Macrumors double down again and say past images of iPhone 11 support their content
5. Macrumors own comparison of iPhone 11 with iPhone 12 last year refute their assertion because this haze and smudge is nowhere to be found
6. The fact that macrumors refuse to say yes their phone is defective or they did not clean their lens and went with the we cleaned it and its a good camera lens is proof positive of their bad intent
7. No iPhone 11 user is being fooled by this.
8. if they never double downed I could have said they made a mistake using a dirty or bad lens camera but no they double downed

We have different views of what rises to and constitutes proof. Using that to claim MR/Dan/editors are being sneaky and unethical for the purpose of misleading their readers is, in a word, bewildering.

 

[hasanahmad]

We have different views of what rises to and constitutes proof. And using that to claim MR is being sneaky and unethical for the purpose of misleading their readers. In a word, bewildering.

let’s test the theory . Do you think iPhone 11 camera images are as bad as the test in video ?

 

[citysnaps]

let’s test the theory . Do you think iPhone 11 camera images are as bad as the test in video ?

I don't know having never owned or used one. Tell me about your personal experiences with yours.

I do know, from personal experience as a photographer using many other iPhones and "real cameras," if one is not careful it is easy to get sub-optimal results.

So...what theory are we testing?

 

[hasanahmad]

I don't know having never owned or used one. Tell me about your personal experiences with yours.

I do know, from personal experience as a photographer using many other iPhones and "real cameras," if one is not careful it is easy to get sub-optimal results.

So...what theory are we testing?

The theory that macrumors is misleading consumers on purpose by saying the hazy images on iPhone 11 is how the quality of iPhone 11 has always been

specifically the last paragraph

“We've also gone back and looked at photos captured by other iPhone 11 Pro devices and have found the same softness and lens flare issues consistently in certain lighting conditions, such as when there's a side lighting element or harsh sun filtering into the lens. While it is possible there is an internal defect with the lens, we do not believe this to be the case. It is worth noting, though, that this "haze" effect is not seen in all lighting conditions.”

macrumors and Dan are saying the iPhone 6 performs better in certain if not all lighting conditions than iPhone 11 because by a miracle all the testing images shown in the video by macrumors are only those lighting conditions.

 

[hasanahmad]

Macrumors iPhone 11 Pro vs iPhone Xs camera comparison in 2019. Lo and behold there is no haze

Camera Comparison: iPhone 11 Pro Max vs iPhone XS Max

Apple's new iPhone 11 Pro Max is similar in design to the previous-generation iPhone XS Max, with the exception of a significantly upgraded...

www.macrumors.com

Videographer is Dan again . Again. Proof of macrumors clickbait misleading consumers news articles

 

[citysnaps]

The theory that macrumors is misleading consumers on purpose by saying the hazy images on iPhone 11 is how the quality of iPhone 11 has always been

specifically the last paragraph

“We've also gone back and looked at photos captured by other iPhone 11 Pro devices and have found the same softness and lens flare issues consistently in certain lighting conditions, such as when there's a side lighting element or harsh sun filtering into the lens. While it is possible there is an internal defect with the lens, we do not believe this to be the case. It is worth noting, though, that this "haze" effect is not seen in all lighting conditions.”

macrumors and Dan are saying the iPhone 6 performs better in certain if not all lighting conditions than iPhone 11 because by a miracle all the testing images shown in the video by macrumors are only those lighting conditions.

Really? Is that what they're saying?

Having owned an iPhone 6, an iPhone X, and now a 12, and making thousands of photos on each (fewer on the 12 due to covid), I can say without a doubt the 6 has superior flare resistance. For the reasons I've stated several times on MR in the past regarding the projected lens housing with shiny surface, with the chamfered glass covering that sits a millimeter proud of the housing on the X and 12.

Getting back on track... You believe your posts are proof MR is being sneaky and unethical misleading readers? Really?

 

[hasanahmad]

Really? Is that what they're saying?

Having owned an iPhone 6, an iPhone X, and now a 12, and making thousands of photos on each (fewer on the 12 due to covid), I can say without a doubt the 6 has superior flare resistance. For the reasons I've stated several times on MR in the past regarding the projected lens housing with shiny surface, with the chamfered glass covering that sits a millimeter proud of the housing on the X and 12.

Getting back on track... You believe your posts are proof MR is being sneaky and unethical misleading readers? Really?

Ok Dan

 

[cmaier]

Butbutbut... A̶p̶p̶l̶e̶ Tim Cook did state in his iJustine "interview" (at 3:54): "it [Cinematic Mode] is like having a Hollywood rig in your pocket".

And no, I didn't misinterpret it as even MacRumors interpreted this statement as "In the nearly 15 minutes' long interview, Cook describes the new camera features of the ‌iPhone 13‌, specifically Cinematic Mode, as a "mindblowing" addition to the iPhone that places it on par with professional high-end video equipment."

Did Cook lie, or, at least, didn't tell the whole truth?! But it surely can't be possible?!???!?!?!

Never heard of commercial puffery, huh?

 

[cmaier]

The theory that macrumors is misleading consumers on purpose by saying the hazy images on iPhone 11 is how the quality of iPhone 11 has always been

specifically the last paragraph

“We've also gone back and looked at photos captured by other iPhone 11 Pro devices and have found the same softness and lens flare issues consistently in certain lighting conditions, such as when there's a side lighting element or harsh sun filtering into the lens. While it is possible there is an internal defect with the lens, we do not believe this to be the case. It is worth noting, though, that this "haze" effect is not seen in all lighting conditions.”

macrumors and Dan are saying the iPhone 6 performs better in certain if not all lighting conditions than iPhone 11 because by a miracle all the testing images shown in the video by macrumors are only those lighting conditions.

It’s absolutely clear that there is something wrong with the 11 they used, and for whatever reason MR doesn’t want to admit it. Even comparing to last year’s 12 vs 11 article makes it vividly clear. I doubt it is to boost sales of 13, though - MR’s bias is such that they aren’t likely looking to help boost sales.

 

[hasanahmad]

It’s absolutely clear that there is something wrong with the 11 they used, and for whatever reason MR doesn’t want to admit it. Even comparing to last year’s 12 vs 11 article makes it vividly clear. I doubt it is to boost sales of 13, though - MR’s bias is such that they aren’t likely looking to help boost sales.

Regardless Dan is getting a bonus for driving traffic to MR with this

 

[citysnaps]

Ok Dan

Nice. You're out of gas regarding proof, and resort to this. How about posting some of your iPhone 11 photos?

 

[Menneisyys2]

The video is not completely useless. That's your knee jerk conclusion because you do not like the results. From my perspective, as a photographer who has made several hundred thousand photographs, many from iPhones over many years, and shooting with an iPhone exclusively for the last five, is that as careful as you try to be, camera phones due to their nature and limitations (the camera phone and the person operating it) do not deliver 100% perfection 100% of the time. That's why when using my phone, and if I can, I'll make multiple exposures when shooting a scene or a subject I care about. I even do that with a so-called "real cameras" because stuff happens with imperfect cameras in an imperfect world and controlled by a human. And that is why in the majority of situations, when making photographs I get good results. Which also goes to why I say "making" instead of "taking" photographs (however, that's another subject I can write pages about).

What I find astonishing is some people here leaping to the conclusion and stating publicly that MacRumors, Dan, and MR editors are doing something sneaky and unethical. That's over top and deserving of an apology.

Again, again and again: I've shot tens of thousands of photos on my iPhone 11; also in bright sunlight. I have NEVER noticed any real issue with the camera. I only have good experience with it. Previously I've shot a lot with the 7+, with which I had no problems either.

Disclaimer: I've always had my iP11 in an Otterbox Defender (as I've always done with all my iPhones before), which is quite "deep" (just measured it for this post with a digital calliper: 2,5mm from the top of the lens (3,16 from the "root" of the phone, while the height of the lens is 0,66mm; the difference is 2,5mm). That is, in (really) extreme cases, the case doesn't let the Sun shine on the lenses from the extreme side - it blocks it.

 

[citysnaps]

Again, again and again: I've shot tens of thousands of photos on my iPhone 11; also in bright sunlight. I have NEVER noticed any real issue with the camera. I only have good experience with it. Previously I've shot a lot with the 7+, with which I had no problems either.

Disclaimer: I've always had my iP11 in an Otterbox Defender (as I've always done with all my iPhones before), which is quite "deep" (just measured it for this post with a digital calliper: 2,5mm from the top of the lens (3,16 from the "root" of the phone, while the height of the lens is 0,66mm; the difference is 2,5mm). That is, in (really) extreme cases, the case doesn't let the Sun shine on the lenses from the extreme side - it blocks it.

"Disclaimer: I've always had my iP11 in an Otterbox Defender..."

And that's likely why your 11 doesn't flare. My 12 flares easily, even when the direct Sun is far outside of the frame, reducing contrast and/or putting in a bright arc or other artifacts. Shooting 1-handed and using my other hand as a shield/hood solves the problem. But 1-handed shooting sucks and is difficult.

I wish Apple would re-engineer the protruding lens housing. Or paint the chamfered edge of the cover glass sitting proud above the barrel and shiny barrel face black. Such an easy solution.

 

[cmaier]

"Disclaimer: I've always had my iP11 in an Otterbox Defender..."

And that's likely why your 11 doesn't flare. My 12 flares easily, even when the Sun is outside of the frame. Shooting 1-handed and using my other hand as a shield/hood solves the problem. But 1-handed shooting sucks and is difficult.

If only the issue with these 11 photos was flare - it’s not.

 

[citysnaps]

If only the issue with these 11 photos was flare - it’s not.

Flare can introduce artifacts and a reduction in contrast. What other issues?

 

[Menneisyys2]

"Disclaimer: I've always had my iP11 in an Otterbox Defender..."

And that's likely why your 11 doesn't flare. My 12 flares easily, even when the direct Sun is far outside of the frame, reducing contrast and/or putting in a bright arc or other artifacts. Shooting 1-handed and using my other hand as a shield/hood solves the problem. But 1-handed shooting sucks and is difficult.

I wish Apple would re-engineer the protruding lens housing. Or paint the chamfered edge of the cover glass sitting proud above the barrel and shiny barrel face black. Such an easy solution.

It could VERY rarely happen, the "hole" is so shallow. And, the newer Otterbox Defenders, incl. that of the iPhone 11, are significantly more "far away" from the cameras than previously (say, on the 7+ or the SE). That is, the propability of this (blocking) happening is VERY-VERY low, even compared to previous iPhone + Otterbox Defender combos.