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what about Face ID ,does it work with face masks,all sunglasses and hats? what about using it in tilted position?
what are the chances of needing to unlock phone with wet hands vs above scenarios?
Far more likely to need to unlock a phone with wet hands vs any of the other scenarios. Hands are washed and exercise is taken more often than wearing face masks, sunglasses or hats (overlooking the fact that Face ID now unlocks just fine with face masks due to Apple Watch, and Face ID has always unlocked when I am wearing sunglasses or a hat).
 
Either make the top bezel a tiny bit thicker, or get rid of the notch completely. This compromise is fugly as hell.
 
Do they finally work with wet fingers?

It's 2021. We've progressed from old style capacitive Touch ID to Qualcomm in-screen ultrasonic fingerprint scanner technology like on the Galaxy S21 Ultra that works consistently with wet finger after washing hands and even before drying off. Apple just needs to license it from Qualcomm for Super Touch ID.
 
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It's 2021. We've progressed from old style capacitive Touch ID to Qualcomm in-screen ultrasonic fingerprint scanner technology like on the Galaxy S21 Ultra that works consistently with wet finger. Apple just needs to license it from Qualcomm for Super Touch ID.
Great, nice to see they finally got there. It’s a shame it’s not as convenient as Face ID though but then I guess anything that requires you to place your finger in a specific location is going to be less convenient than just picking up and using your phone.
 
It’s a shame it’s not as convenient as Face ID though but then I guess anything that requires you to place your finger in a specific location is going to be less convenient than just picking up and using your phone.

Face ID is less convenient since you have to take your eyes away from whatever you were doing to face towards the phone whereas ultrasonic fingerprint doesn't and can even be unlocked behind the back. Plus, some might not want long term Face ID infrared beamed into their eyes.
 
Face ID is less convenient since you have to take your eyes away from whatever you were doing to face towards the phone whereas ultrasonic fingerprint doesn't and can even be unlocked behind the back. Plus, some might not want long term Face ID infrared beamed into their eyes.
You’re not presenting a very convincing argument. How convenient it is to unlock your phone when you aren’t actually using it is not relevant. Infrared does not harm your eyes.
 
You’re not presenting a very convincing argument. How convenient it is to unlock your phone when you aren’t actually using it is not relevant. Infrared does not harm your eyes.

It's obvious what the benefits are when you don't even have to look at the phone to unlock it with ultrasonic fingerprint. I can have the phone sitting on the car passenger seat and unlock it without taking eyes off the road. With Face ID you have to take your eyes off the road and look towards the phone which is an unsafe distraction.
 
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It's obvious what the benefits are when you don't even have to look at the phone to unlock it with ultrasonic fingerprint. I can have the phone sitting on the car passenger seat and unlock it without taking eyes off the road. With Face ID you have to take your eyes off the road and look towards the phone which is an unsafe distraction.
But you wouldn’t be unlocking a phone when you are driving anyway... other than being illegal, it is a really bad idea!
 
But you wouldn’t be unlocking a phone when you are driving anyway... other than being illegal, it is a really bad idea!

Correct. You shouldn't be using Face ID when driving since it's distracting and dangerous. No problem with operating windows or unlocking with fingerprint without taking eyes off the road then using voice commands.
 
Correct. You shouldn't be using Face ID when driving since it's distracting and dangerous. No problem with operating windows or unlocking with fingerprint without taking eyes off the road then using voice commands.
Sorry but you are incorrect. You should never be using your phone when driving, only in a hands free capacity (voice commands).
 
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No, people buy iPhones in record numbers because of abusive practices like locking people into ecosystems. If you bought an iPhone once in your life, then you are mostly stuck. It has nothing to do with what customers want.
Sooo, even people that don’t own iPhones buy iPhones only because they’re locked into iPhones. OK.
 
I think Apple knows that a large amount of people are still holding on to their iPhone 5,6,7,8 that still have touch ID.

Apple needs those customers to let go of their older phones and the way to accomplish this is to implement touch ID on iPhone 13.
Apple doesn’t need those customers to let go of their older phones. And think about it, those folks are fine with the features/capabilities of their old phones, I don’t see them running out to spend $500+ on the latest just because it has touch ID ESPECIALLY when you consider pretty much all the apps they’re using likely won’t run on the 64-bit only OS.
 
As ppl have pointed out, it has to do w/ the commitment to FaceID, which takes more than one hole. I'd imagine Apple decided a notch looks better than either multiple punch-holes, or a thicker bezel that goes all the way across the top that doesn't match the other sides. Not sure what the other alternatives are??
well there is other ways to do things but apple is smart.
First, reduce the notch so it gets people to upgrade year to year for no reason other then small little changes. When they do release a full screen phone(and they will its inevitable) that will get all the upgraders to upgrade to this full screen phone.
Its all about money.
Apple cant release a perfect phone nobody will care to update for 5 years. So this is small changes that will get people to upgrade.

Be done with the notch apple. Its a dumb design that doesn't need to be there. Touchid was much better and can be implemented under the glass. Figure out a way to get the camera in the very top of the phone and go full screen already. This notch design makes the phone look old and dated all to ween people out on their money with small upgrades.

Ill tell you what. If they released a full screen phone id upgrade my 12 pro max even after a year and apple knows that.
 
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Far more likely to need to unlock a phone with wet hands vs any of the other scenarios. Hands are washed and exercise is taken more often than wearing face masks, sunglasses or hats (overlooking the fact that Face ID now unlocks just fine with face masks due to Apple Watch, and Face ID has always unlocked when I am wearing sunglasses or a hat).
not at all.
most people don't rush to use their phones with wet hands,dripping water immediately after they wash them,they simply dry them first..takes like 2-3 seconds.😉😁 also I haven't seen anyone with fingers soaked in sweat after exercise! it just does not happen to that point.

removing masks,hats,sunglasses and keeping the phone at correct angel straight in comparison is a major hassle and sometimes not even impossible..
I don't even know why you said something like that,it's very obvious which scenario is more problematic..

Apple will eventually bring under display touch ID and get rid of that ugly noth and Face ID.
it's just the matter of time.
it was a great idea years ago when under display fingerprint sensors where not possible but not anymore.
it's good for laptops but not ergonomic for phones.now it's cons out-weight it's pros.
 
I‘ll put a new battery in my 6s Plus and wait until it‘s gone for good.
Hey Apple, tell your Designboys to build one pro with the iPad Pro design.
thinner brezles (yes the crap fits in) 6-7“ Display, thunderbolt, 1tb Memory an finally a hd bt Codec!!!

and make it thicker to fit a good battery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Apple doesn’t need those customers to let go of their older phones. And think about it, those folks are fine with the features/capabilities of their old phones, I don’t see them running out to spend $500+ on the latest just because it has touch ID ESPECIALLY when you consider pretty much all the apps they’re using likely won’t run on the 64-bit only OS.
No no and no...of course Apple wants iPhone 6 7 8 users to give up there phones, it’s all about money.

They thought the 12 would do this by introducing the square design of the iPhone 5 but that wasn’t enough. In addition the battery on the 12 pro is worse than the 11 pro. Consumers are not uninformed anymore.

They need to reduce the notch and give the users Touch ID. Mark my words if Apple does this and it has better battery life...they will come.
 
My predictions...Apple will reduce the notch (a tad) and offer a larger battery but will not offer Touch ID for iPhone 13.

Apple never offers all options at once...we know this based on past releases. Since we’ve heard very little rumors about Touch ID it most likely won’t occur until fall 2022 or 23.
 
No no and no...of course Apple wants iPhone 6 7 8 users to give up there phones, it’s all about money.
Wants? Yes, sure, why not. Needs? No. Needs would be about Apple not being able to make a profit without those folks upgrading. Half the iPhones sold in a quarter are not going to iPhone 6 or 7 or 8 or any other model iPhone users. They’re going to people that have never owned an iPhone before. It‘s FAR more important to sell new phones to people who want what an iPhone is today than it is to try to sell phones to folks who have proven, year after year, that they’re not interested in what Apple’s selling. It’s always easier to sell your product to someone that wants it :)

Plus, as you say, it’s all about money and the REAL money is in services which is pulling in the amount of profit that ANY single Fortune 500 company would love to have. And, that’s recurring month after month and growing over time.

Mark my words if Apple does this and it has better battery life...they will come.
The real point here is if Apple adds TouchID
1. It’s not to get someone to finally let go of that iPhone 6. (Me? I still think the TouchID option is for a future iPod)
2. Most folks with 6’s, 7’s or 8’s likely hate the newer iPhones for FAR more reasons than just “It doesn’t have Touch ID”. Having TouchID would just remove one thing they hate while leaving in place ALLLLL the others. Which is fine. Apple’s never focused on trying to satisfy ALL customers, just a chunk with enough money to make the profits they need to stay in business.
 
By your estimation, a full screen phone is a perfect phone?
At this point I don’t see what else physically that can be better. Besides a faster refresh rate phone what else would you want physically in a phone at that point?
I feel like the shape back to the 4-5 design with complete flush glass is perfect to me design wise and functionality. Only thing else I’d want is no notch.
software wise is a different story though iOS can use a lot of improvement for larger screen phones and iPads.
 
Why does a Greek repair shop have replacement screens 6 months early?

As a Greek myself, let me inform you that iRepair is considered one of the worst (if not the worst) 3rd party repair service shop for iOS devices in Greece, if that means anything for this news
 
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