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Still, it illustrates that 2/3 of developing country households don't have PCs. If you look at the stats for developed countries it's closer to 80%, but combined it's less than half worldwide, and even in developed countries I'll bet that skews very heavily away from the poor and lower middle classes. So there are a heck of a lot of people without PCs, even if you allow that some of them may have a PC at work.

This is true.

That's a LOT of people who might benefit from using something like Dex.

But I don't think this conclusion follows.

If someone doesn't have a PC, they probably don't have a monitor, keyboard and mouse/trackpad at all. They're also less likely to choose Samsung in particular as their phone vendor. But even if they do have a Samsung phone, odds are they won't have anything to do connect it to.

 
That's cool and I love my iPhone 13 PM, but I'm using a samsung Z Flip 3 and I love it. I'm gonna need am apple flip ASAP!!!

Have to say 120hz screen made a bigger difference than raw processing power at least in my use case.
 
I seriously wish one of the sponsors of the "Siri is doomed" crowd would provide a decent write up of exactly what they are complaining about. I am happy with Siri, it beats google and amazon (and without marketing your data) for what I use it for. Now 100% I don't represent a full use case and there are some other things that I don't use, but for me it's great. e.g.
  • Play Music on HomePods, CarPlay, iPhone watch, appleTV. (also pause, resume, adjust volume, stop)
  • get directions to anywhere iPhone, watch (stop directions)
  • disconnect/connect speakers to other speakers, appleTvs
  • time, temperature, conversions (temp, distance, weights), weather, timers
  • run shortcuts on Mac, iPhone (which is awesome because you can open/close apps, sleep Mac, run scripts, etc)
  • add to shopping lists, etc in Notes, set reminders, add to calendars
  • turn on/off lights, set temperatures on thermostats, lock/unlock doors
  • send messages
  • I guess I include dictation on Mac, iPhone, watch, appleTV
  • Oh, and translate is fun
Surely Siri is not perfect, but it is great for what I use it for. I am all for improvements, but neither am I for getting overly emotional over little things that could work better
For one, if you’ve ever used Google Assistant it is like a glass of ice water in hell compared to Siri. I end up angry probably 6/10 times I use Siri. If you want to read how people feel about it, I recommend starting here:


There are many, many threads like that.

This one is good too:

 
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Never can tell which is the true competitor for Samsung's annual release. Current iPhone or upcoming iPhone?
Samsung's competitors are the other Android phones. The market of folks who use iPhones and are in the market for a new iPhone and decide to switch to a flagship level Android is small.
 
LOL. My Dad's a farmer. He has John Deere and Case tractors. He goes to buy another John Deere and the rep says you need to get a Case because the synthetic tests show it is over 9000!? My Dad says but the John Deere performs better when I'm planting & harrowing. What's a synthetic test? ?
 
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However, you have to admit that (most of the time), iOS on the newer iPhones generally work quite well with reasonable "snap." I've had no trouble with just about all the apps on my iPhone 12.
I absolutely admit that.
What I’m getting at, and I’d put money on it is that a lot of the people that slated the other companies and other posters in the megahertz and megapixel wars are now saying the exact opposite.
 
In before "it's not all about specs" posters chiming in. When Android were more powerful years ago and with better hardware, no one ever heard the end of it.

Now it's not about specs. LMAO. Give me a break.
You clearly don’t remember well, Android phones were never more powerful than iPhone. Every year iPhones were faster, the ,,specs” on android phones were higher resolution display, more Ram, bigger battery, which is not related to powerful, that ram is useless when iPhone is handling it better with 4 or 6gb than android with 8/12 or even 16, also battery life, bigger battery means nothing when there is ton of bloatware and inefficient chip and OS. More powerful means in Cpu and Gpu, androids had better hardware only on paper, more cores and higher clock speed but when you look at benchmarks back in the day dual core 5S destroys octa-core android in raw performance, same with gpu… so iPhone was 99.9% of the time more powerful, even 2-3 years ahead, don’t forget iPhone 13 is 2021 phone (A15 is 2021 chip) while S22 and snapdragon gen 1 are 2022 products…
 
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Who cares? My iPhone 13 pro max still freezes here and there, apps crash periodically, and all of my apps refresh and reset information when backgrounded. Give me an OS/chip combo that doesn't do crap like refreshing/resetting an app if I background it for 2 seconds and I'll be much happier than being able to run an app .0000000003278 milliseconds faster. Oh wait, Samsung phones do this.
Exactly. I fly several times a month and alternate between using the Wallet app or the airline app to scan my boarding pass. If I do something such as respond to a text or change a song in Spotify, the boarding pass has already been backgrounded then once I find my seat I open Instagram or Reddit to only find where I was scrolling prior to boarding was backgrounded too and starts me back at the top.

Also apps like Spotify, Netflix and Youtube Premium have to be in the foreground when downloading for offline content. I have the 1TB model and offline a lot of stuff which means I can't use the phone lol.

Wish there were app suspend options:

A: Use more ram and battery to keep things alive.
B: Conserve and suspend when inactive.
 
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Thank you for providing those numbers. I did think about people in developing countries, but in every article I have read about them, it seems that they are either using cheap laptops / chrome books, or just getting by with a handphone (example would be China, where everything basically exists within the wechat app).


I feel that the people in these countries are unlikely to by buying samsung phones that do support Dex, even if they are several-year-old models that have been heavily discounted. Why bother, when there are numerous other inexpensive android handsets available? Xiaomi, Vivo, even Samsung’s other cheaper models.

So I think we come back to the old problem where the people buying these phones likely already have the disposable income to spend on multiple computing devices (making Dex that less attractive of a proposition), while the people who might benefit from having a portable desktop CPU (of sorts) are not going to be interested in it due to pricing reasons. And the issue with bringing Dex to cheaper handsets is that for that price, they may not have the specs to sufficiently power said feature.

You can feel as many things as you want but it's quite obvious the reason you are against Dex and are bothered when people mention Dex is just because it's not a feature present on any Apple device, it's not something Apple implemented and endorses so you are against it. I mean its fascinating how quick you were to suggest that Apple's non-existing AR glasses are the solution for what I've described in one of my comments above. That was just ridiculous ?

Also his point was just to demonstrate that from a practical stand point there are plenty o potentially interested people in such a feature and he makes this point as a counter to you generalist insistence than nobody would really use such a feature just because you look at it from an extremely biased point of view.

There are a lot of great usage scenarios for Dex, from using it for Productivity, Office, Data Bases, Graphic design, edit 4k Videos on a proper big screen to turning the phone into a veritable game console for mobile games or emulated games.

It says in the clip at one point. "It allow you utilize that chipset's power to it's true potential", "It allows you to push the phone much further than you normally would". This was my point from the start, this was the point of the user than first mentioned Dex(as the subject of this thread is smartphone performance), it's a feature that allows the user to take advantage of the phone's SOC true potential.
He also said "I've been doing this for nearly a week and I'm absolutely hooked on it", so there you have it, you can easily make use of Dex for extended periods of time.
 
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You can feel as many things as you want but it's quite obvious the reason you are against Dex and are bothered when people mention Dex is just because it's not a feature present on any Apple device, it's not something Apple implemented and endorses so you are against it. I mean its fascinating how quick you were to suggest that Apple's non-existing AR glasses are the solution for what I've described in one of my comments above. That was just ridiculous ?

Also his point was just to demonstrate that from a practical stand point there are plenty o potentially interested people in such a feature and he makes this point as a counter to you generalist insistence than nobody would really use such a feature just because you look at it from an extremely biased point of view.

There are a lot of great usage scenarios for Dex, from using it for Productivity, Office, Data Bases, Graphic design, edit 4k Videos on a proper big screen to turning the phone into a veritable game console for mobile games or emulated games.

It says in the clip at one point. "It allow you utilize that chipset's power to it's true potential", "It allows you to push the phone much further than you normally would". This was my point from the start, this was the point of the user than first mentioned Dex(as the subject of this thread is smartphone performance), it's a feature that allows the user to take advantage of the phone's SOC true potential.
He also said "I've been doing this for nearly a week and I'm absolutely hooked on it", so there you have it, you can easily make use of Dex for extended periods of time.
Trust me. Given my experience with said feature, I do not regret not having it on any of my iOS devices at all. ?
 
This is true.



But I don't think this conclusion follows.

If someone doesn't have a PC, they probably don't have a monitor, keyboard and mouse/trackpad at all. They're also less likely to choose Samsung in particular as their phone vendor. But even if they do have a Samsung phone, odds are they won't have anything to do connect it to.

Good points, but they at least have a TV, and you can run dex with a usb to hdmi cable.
Edit: also TV's with Miracast support wireless Dex, looked it up and some TVs as old as 2012 models support this.
 
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Thank you for providing those numbers. I did think about people in developing countries, but in every article I have read about them, it seems that they are either using cheap laptops / chrome books, or just getting by with a handphone (example would be China, where everything basically exists within the wechat app).


I feel that the people in these countries are unlikely to by buying samsung phones that do support Dex, even if they are several-year-old models that have been heavily discounted. Why bother, when there are numerous other inexpensive android handsets available? Xiaomi, Vivo, even Samsung’s other cheaper models.

So I think we come back to the old problem where the people buying these phones likely already have the disposable income to spend on multiple computing devices (making Dex that less attractive of a proposition), while the people who might benefit from having a portable desktop CPU (of sorts) are not going to be interested in it due to pricing reasons. And the issue with bringing Dex to cheaper handsets is that for that price, they may not have the specs to sufficiently power said feature.

Again I can't say I have statistics, but I would think a several year old Samsung Android phone probably sells quite well both domestically for the low income, as well as abroad in third world countries, maybe even some of them buy them specifically for Dex. I disagree that it comes down only to those with disposable income, but can only state that as my opinion. Like I said before, I'm not necessarily defending Dex, only the concept and that Samsung is willing to put effort into it. Personally I've used it as a stop gap when I was stuck without my surface pro a few times and it's a much better experience than any phone.
 
Who cares? My iPhone 13 pro max still freezes here and there, apps crash periodically, and all of my apps refresh and reset information when backgrounded. Give me an OS/chip combo that doesn't do crap like refreshing/resetting an app if I background it for 2 seconds and I'll be much happier than being able to run an app .0000000003278 milliseconds faster. Oh wait, Samsung phones do this.

Can I also add that maybe they can use some of that processing power for Siri? Unfortunately I setup my home lights with homekit LED lights, I was so excited to be able to use Siri to turn on/off my lights. Well 1/2 the time it doesn't work, and the other 1/2 of the time it takes like half a minute for Siri to turn my lights on/off at which time I could have just moved my lazy butt and manually did it, or pressed the button in the app which instantly turns the light on/off.

Processing power for nothing is just as useless as it sounds. Heck at least give me a AAA game or something to throw that processing power at.
 
Trust me. Given my experience with said feature, I do not regret not having it on any of my iOS devices at all. ?
What exactly do you mean by "your experience"?
It's not like you have at least a somehow balaced opinion about Dex, it's obvious you only look at it from a negative point no matter what.
Even on Samsung's tablets Dex is really useful for obvious reasons(I've seen plenty of Galaxy Tab users say to they like Dex a lot) you chose to ignore. So yeah something like Dex could make even iPads more useful in certain scenarios. It's definitely not a bad software feature.
 
Well 1/2 the time it doesn't work, and the other 1/2 of the time it takes like half a minute for Siri to turn my lights on/off at which time I could have just moved my lazy butt and manually did it, or pressed the button in the app which instantly turns the light on/off.

Hmm. I rarely use this, but I just tried, thrice, and it took 3-4 seconds each time. Which is still a bit much, but not awful.

Have you tried lately? I think they made a change in 14 or 15 to decrease Siri HomeKit latency.
 
Can I also add that maybe they can use some of that processing power for Siri? Unfortunately I setup my home lights with homekit LED lights, I was so excited to be able to use Siri to turn on/off my lights. Well 1/2 the time it doesn't work, and the other 1/2 of the time it takes like half a minute for Siri to turn my lights on/off at which time I could have just moved my lazy butt and manually did it, or pressed the button in the app which instantly turns the light on/off.

Processing power for nothing is just as useless as it sounds. Heck at least give me a AAA game or something to throw that processing power at.
You can throw Geekbench at that processing power. Best app ever.
 
Can I also add that maybe they can use some of that processing power for Siri? Unfortunately I setup my home lights with homekit LED lights, I was so excited to be able to use Siri to turn on/off my lights. Well 1/2 the time it doesn't work, and the other 1/2 of the time it takes like half a minute for Siri to turn my lights on/off at which time I could have just moved my lazy butt and manually did it, or pressed the button in the app which instantly turns the light on/off.

Processing power for nothing is just as useless as it sounds. Heck at least give me a AAA game or something to throw that processing power at.
I only have one HomeKit device….my thermostat and there is little latency…fwiw.
 
I don't understand how Apple has done it. They use the same fabs as these other companies. How are their chips seemingly always 2-3 years ahead of the competition?
Actually they don't. Apple uses the superior TSMC for fab while Qualcomm and Samsung are both stuck with the inferior Samsung fab. TSMC doesn't have the capacity to do all three and Apple has a boatload more leverage.
 
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I only have one HomeKit device….my thermostat and there is little latency…fwiw.

Just happened again last night, first Siri request Siri just sits there spinning, nothing until I just closed it out after about 30 seconds. 2nd request not even any spinning, just nothing happens. 3rd request after about 20 seconds (I timed it) my light goes on. Versus going into the lights app and hitting on switch, instant on. This is on an iphone 13 pro max, supposedly the pinnacle of smartphone processing power in the world.
 
Just happened again last night, first Siri request Siri just sits there spinning, nothing until I just closed it out after about 30 seconds. 2nd request not even any spinning, just nothing happens. 3rd request after about 20 seconds (I timed it) my light goes on. Versus going into the lights app and hitting on switch, instant on. This is on an iphone 13 pro max, supposedly the pinnacle of smartphone processing power in the world.
I could only speculate, some issues with the vendors’ software maybe? Software and hardware do have to work together.

Siri on the thermostat is instant. (It’s an ecobee)
 
Do you want to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider at ~20fps on a $1200 MBA M1 or ~90fps on a laptop with Nvidia 3060 for about the same price?
You've pulled those specs out of your butt, but obviously more fps. That's the whole point, specs aren't everything but anti-apple folks live and breath specs.... except for phones and CPU's, conveniently.
 
I could only speculate, some issues with the vendors’ software maybe? Software and hardware do have to work together.

Siri on the thermostat is instant. (It’s an ecobee)

Interesting, I have 2 Ecobees in my split HVAC house and I notice the same lag with Siri, although it's not as bad as with the lights. But I do notice Siri craps out like that even with regular request like "what song is that," sometimes it just sits there and blanks out, other times it works decently. Same with the entire OS, sometimes I have apps freeze for a few seconds, no rhyme or reason, and of course the oft maligned refresh issue with backgrounded apps.
 
You've pulled those specs out of your butt, but obviously more fps. That's the whole point, specs aren't everything but anti-apple folks live and breath specs.... except for phones and CPU's, conveniently.

These are real world results rather than specs or useless synthetic benchmarks. 20fps on my MBA M1 vs 111fps on Lenovo Legion Slim 7.

MBA M1
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Lenovo Legion Slim 7 3060
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