iPhone 13 is Significantly Faster Than Samsung's New Galaxy S22 in Benchmarks

[spinedoc77]

Who cares? My iPhone 13 pro max still freezes here and there, apps crash periodically, and all of my apps refresh and reset information when backgrounded. Give me an OS/chip combo that doesn't do crap like refreshing/resetting an app if I background it for 2 seconds and I'll be much happier than being able to run an app .0000000003278 milliseconds faster. Oh wait, Samsung phones do this.

 

[koruki]

when you spend all your budget making mocking ads for ideas you copy... that happens

 

[Abazigal]

It's always fascinating to read these biased opinions about features and options present on Android phones and not present iphones, how they are bad because they are supposedly not popular or they are "a solutions in search for a problem".
Of course regarding this discussion about performance Dex is a really relevant point. Today even if smarphones have all this performance and resources they are still quite limited in terms of interface and the ability to properly use this performance and this is mainly because of their small screens. Dex is a solution for this problem and allows those that are interested to makes proper use of the performance of their device(for example photo, video editing, Office tasks etc.) on a bigger screen and a Desktop like interface. It's a feature that doesn't get in anybodys way and the phone's general experience.
Apple doesn't want to implement such a feature, not because it's bad or "a solution in search for a problem" but because they want to sell people multiple devices, so tablets, laptops, computers not just the phone. God forbid somebody only buys an iphone and with a portable screen and a Bluetooth keyboard it turns it into a veritable computer. That would be bad for business.

If it’s a larger screen you want, it sounds like AR glasses is the ideal solution.

Your explanation isn’t any better, because it positions Dex as a way of using the extra processing power of the smartphone just because it can, and not necessarily because it’s something useful that people want or need. And all other things equal, this is a feature that took Samsung time and resources to implement, so there is a real opportunity cost to it.

Nobody is using this feature to get out of not having to buy a laptop or desktop. It’s not saving them any money compared to an Apple user who has the full suite of iPhone, iPad and Mac.

 

[M3gatron]

If it’s a larger screen you want, it sounds like AR glasses is the ideal solution.

No it doesn't really sound like that.
AR glasses are not really the solution people want, especially students during courses.
No to mention that costs are also really important, if those AR galsses are just as expensive as a computer or a tablet you aren't really achieving anything.

Your explanation isn’t any better, because it positions Dex as a way of using the extra processing power of the smartphone just because it can, and not necessarily because it’s something useful that people want or need. And all other things equal, this is a feature that took Samsung time and resources to implement, so there is a real opportunity cost to it.

Being able to use the extra processing power with the help of a software feature that doesn't get in anybody's way isn't a bad thing no matter how you slice it, no matter how much you try to suggest "it isn't a better explanation".
At the end of the day it's software, while Apple for example implemented hardware features like 3D touch that costs money for each individual device and which they eventually abandoned because people actually weren't using it, while Dex hasn't been abandoned. Dex is a much better idea because it's just software and it's development cost isn't tied to each individual device Samsung sells. You develop it once and deploy it in multiple devices, multiple generations.and just mentain it.

Nobody is using this feature to get out of not having to buy a laptop or desktop. It’s not saving them any money compared to an Apple user who has the full suite of iPhone, iPad and Mac.

"Nobody is using this feature" it's just an excuse you are trying to make because you lack real arguments against it.
And how it's not saving money against needing to buy multiple separate devices? It doesn't make any sense.
With an additional 250$ or less(portable screen + Bluetooth peripherals) you have a veritable computerputer. But also there are people that already own all the necessary peripherals so at it's lowest the cost to take advantage of Dex can be 0$.

 

[mikethemartian]

In before "it's not all about specs" posters chiming in. When Android were more powerful years ago and with better hardware, no one ever heard the end of it.

Now it's not about specs. LMAO. Give me a break.

Apple used to make that same argument all the time.

 

[spinedoc77]

If it’s a larger screen you want, it sounds like AR glasses is the ideal solution.

Your explanation isn’t any better, because it positions Dex as a way of using the extra processing power of the smartphone just because it can, and not necessarily because it’s something useful that people want or need. And all other things equal, this is a feature that took Samsung time and resources to implement, so there is a real opportunity cost to it.

Nobody is using this feature to get out of not having to buy a laptop or desktop. It’s not saving them any money compared to an Apple user who has the full suite of iPhone, iPad and Mac.

I wish people would stop throwing around AR like it's going to really be viable anytime soon. Even that pie in the sky concept being handed around like it's the second coming isn't very viable, I think atrocious is a better word. If anyone truly thinks wearing a pair of goggles like that is any sort of solution to a larger screen I've got a bridge to sell them. It's not going to be like VR where you actually have a large screen in front of you, AR will be more like a companion device that highlights things in the real world, and even then I don't think it will be anytime soon. Personally I don't think it will be ubiquitous until it's in a contact lens or embedded in the brain like a neuralink, but I'm wiling to entertain some success with a very set of slim glasses, again very far away.

On dex, I've used it a few times and can really appreciate it, it's not half bad at all and in some ways better than iOS blown up on a screen. I agree with M3gatron that Apple simply does not want to cannibalize sales of multiple pieces of hardware. That's also the reason they keep such a crappy OS (yeah my opinion, sue me) on their iPads. You say no one is using this feature, I don't know about that. Having the ability to purchase an iPhone, iPad, and a Macbook are very much first world advantages, in many countries consumers only have a cell phone and nothing else as their computing devices. I won't make believe I have any statistics, but it wouldn't surprise me if many of those consumers used stuff like Dex.

The world is hurtling towards a one device future, or at the very least one thin device everyone has working off a central server or servers. One of the last hurdles left to cross is the size of the screen, and I mean a real screen, not an AR overlay.

 

[b.la]

Great that my iPhone is faster than any Android.

But people do not buy non-iPhones on raw performance and performance per watt alone.

They do so for other reasons like total cost of ownership especially in the sub-$399 market segment.

Be proud that people with the means can afford iPhones and any Apple devices as these industry leading in terms of over all user & ownership experience.

Those smartphones are superior to my 2012 iMac 27" Core i7 22nm that will be replaced by a 2022 iMac Pro 27" M1 Pro 5nm before Valentines Day 2023

I think your confused with the term total cost of ownership. Yes an android device might be cheaper to purchase outright but it’s the power in the iPhone that allows it to continue to work so well with updates years later, thus giving it a cheaper total cost of ownership. As soon as you factor in future resale value and ease of repair, I’d say that if people are buying android phones because they think they’re cheaper over time, they’re mistaken.

 

[mi7chy]

It all comes down to this: Android is not properly optimized for the hardware, a limitation inherent in the design of the OS itself. iOS is highly optimized for the hardware it runs on, and as such, you get higher performance even with only 4 GB of RAM.

iOS is gimped rather than optimized. Can't even move home screen icons anywhere for reachability, no split screen multitasking, fake background multitasking where it saves and restores screenshot, etc.

 

[theotherphil]

Great that my iPhone is faster than any Android.

But people do not buy non-iPhones on raw performance and performance per watt alone.

They do so for other reasons like total cost of ownership especially in the sub-$399 market segment.

Be proud that people with the means can afford iPhones and any Apple devices as these industry leading in terms of over all user & ownership experience.

Yep, but the S22 Ultra is more expensive than the iPhone 13 PM so ?

 

[babyexercise]

Is S22 Ultra faster than iPhone X? LoL

 

[babyexercise]

The key point is S22 Ultra only little bit faster than S21 Ultra

In year 2032, S32 Extreme Supreme Ultra finally match the speed of iphone 13 Max Pro

LOL XD

 

[babyexercise]

Great that my iPhone is faster than any Android.

But people do not buy non-iPhones on raw performance and performance per watt alone.

They do so for other reasons like total cost of ownership especially in the sub-$399 market segment.

Be proud that people with the means can afford iPhones and any Apple devices as these industry leading in terms of over all user & ownership experience.

Those smartphones are superior to my 2012 iMac 27" Core i7 22nm that will be replaced by a 2022 iMac Pro 27" M1 Pro 5nm before Valentines Day 2023

Apple can explore the big screen cheap phone market for sure with SE big screen version.

 

[Hexley]

Apple can explore the big screen cheap phone market for sure with SE big screen version.

An iPhone SE Plus for $399? That would be nice, wouldn't it?

 

[Hexley]

I think your confused with the term total cost of ownership. Yes an android device might be cheaper to purchase outright but it’s the power in the iPhone that allows it to continue to work so well with updates years later, thus giving it a cheaper total cost of ownership. As soon as you factor in future resale value and ease of repair, I’d say that if people are buying android phones because they think they’re cheaper over time, they’re mistaken.

Your assumption is based on user experience would not induce replacement before the last security update is sent.

Android could extend theirs to a decade like macOS or Windows but due to wear and tear and physical damage the repalcement may come as soon as 2 years or as late as 4 years of that 10 years.

When you have zero credit and and can only afford a sub-$399 Android then odds are you wont be buying an iPhone. This is applicable to the bottom 80% of the worldwide market and not just the US or other rich nation

 

[radus]

There's also the matter of this feature not seemingly well-known (I can safely say that none of my friends, or any of my colleagues in school are aware of this feature, much less be wiling to jump through the hoops needed to make use of it). I am the only person who has tried it out. Me - the Apple fanboy.

I have played around with Dex for a while, and I really cannot see anyone making it of it for any extended period of time. You tether your phone to the desk, and in the long run, it's simply more productive to just use a separate laptop (and honestly, why wouldn't you?). As for the age old "It's still better to have the feature on hand even if you don't use it", I really have to question the odds of having a spare monitor, keyboard and mouse + usb-c dock lying around, and the best option on hand is your Samsung phone because you somehow don't have a laptop on hand. And that's also assuming your phone has both the files and the software needed to carry out the specific task.

Dex is the classic poster example of a solution looking for a problem.

You do not need a spare Monitor if you have a TV with usb-c input with power delivery, but you need to buy a keyboard and a mouse.
No need for a pc, laptop, ipad ... .

 

[spinedoc77]

You do not need a spare Monitor if you have a TV with usb-c input with power delivery, but you need to buy a keyboard and a mouse.
No need for a pc, laptop, ipad ... .

You can actually get by using the phone as a touchpad and keyboard, janky yes, but functional in a pinch.

 

[Abazigal]

You do not need a spare Monitor if you have a TV with usb-c input with power delivery, but you need to buy a keyboard and a mouse.
No need for a pc, laptop, ipad ... .

I tried to make it work (inspired by a canoopsy video). Held on to a note phone (which is my school phone) last year as part of middle management duties, plugged it into the monitor at my desk (had a 1-cable USB-C setup for my laptop), played around with it for a while, and I just didn’t see the point.

It sounds good on paper, but I really question the people who claim to have done serious work in this matter over an extended period of time. Like it’s not just to prove a point, but because they genuinely prefer this over the alternative (ie: getting a desktop or laptop).

I suppose it might be handy if I suddenly found myself without a laptop (say it’s sent in for repairs) and had to make do for a day or two. It’s another to decide to work like this for 6 months or a year instead of simply spending some money on a separate laptop which also has the added benefit of being more versatile (eg: during meetings, outdoors, at the airport). Like, why put myself through all that torture? It’s not like I am short on money. I am perfectly capable of getting the tech I want to work on my terms, and I am fairly certain the people capable of buying a Samsung note phone and have the accompanying infrastructure to make Dex work do too.

 

[spinedoc77]

iOS is gimped rather than optimized. Can't even move home screen icons anywhere for reachability, no split screen multitasking, fake background multitasking where it saves and restore screenshot, etc.

That backgrounding is AWFUL, it just smacks of major gimp every time I experience it, and that's virtually every time I use my iPhone or iPad. Also not having the ability to have different accounts.

 

[spinedoc77]

I tried to make it work (inspired by a canoopsy video). Held on to a note phone (which is my school phone) last year as part of middle management duties, plugged it into the monitor at my desk (had a 1-cable USB-C setup for my laptop), played around with it for a while, and I just didn’t see the point.

It sounds good on paper, but I really question the people who claim to have done serious work in this matter over an extended period of time. Like it’s not just to prove a point, but because they genuinely prefer this over the alternative (ie: getting a desktop or laptop).

I suppose it might be handy if I suddenly found myself without a laptop (say it’s sent in for repairs) and had to make do for a day or two. It’s another to decide to work like this for 6 months or a year instead of simply spending some money on a separate laptop which also has the added benefit of being more versatile (eg: during meetings, outdoors, at the airport). Like, why put myself through all that torture? It’s not like I am short on money. I am perfectly capable of getting the tech I want to work on my terms, and I am fairly certain the people capable of buying a Samsung note phone and have the accompanying infrastructure to make Dex work do too.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/748564/developing-countries-households-with-computer/ It's older, 2019, but I didn't find many statistics with a quick search. About a 3rd of developing country households have a PC, although I was surprised that this number is going up instead of down, but I guess PCs get cheaper every year. I'd be curious what percentage of those households have portable PCs, I'll bet that number goes down quite rapidly.

Still, it illustrates that 2/3 of developing country households don't have PCs. If you look at the stats for developed countries it's closer to 80%, but combined it's less than half worldwide, and even in developed countries I'll bet that skews very heavily away from the poor and lower middle classes. So there are a heck of a lot of people without PCs, even if you allow that some of them may have a PC at work. That's a LOT of people who might benefit from using something like Dex. Your use case, of having an iPhone, iPad, and a PC, is not the norm worldwide. On cost, I think Dex goes back to the S9? You can get a S9 for about a hundred bucks these days, probably much less used. Edit: Dex goes back to the S8.

Let's be clear, I'm NOT saying that Dex is awesome or anything, but at least Samsung is putting forth some effort here.

Edit: Here's another example (although a bit old), 1/3 of low income students only use their mobile phones for internet access. https://theconversation.com/many-lo...one-to-get-online-what-are-they-missing-54213

This one is interesting, note that in the US those who had low income and have broadband, a smartphone, PC, and tablet was only 23%. Even among middle and higher class it's still nowhere near 100%. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...th-lower-incomes-make-gains-in-tech-adoption/ "With fewer options for online access at their disposal, Americans with lower incomes are relying more on smartphones. As of early 2021, 27% of adults living in households earning less than $30,000 a year are smartphone-only internet users"

 

[swm]

In before "it's not all about specs" posters chiming in. When Android were more powerful years ago and with better hardware, no one ever heard the end of it.

Now it's not about specs. LMAO. Give me a break.

let me freshen up your memory. android phones were always more powerful in specs, as in cpu speed, memory amount and battery capacity.
what was demonstrated in the tests is a bit different: this is what your "whatever specs device" can accomplish.
but partially i agree, as these tests are also kind of synthetic, so in a way it's the legacy of specs warfare.

 

[GuruZac]

Cool, I guess? I’m looking forward to when this means a smarter keyboard, faster Siri and better object segmentation in pictures and video.

Until then I don’t really understand why these scores are important.

They’re important for offering a quite smooth and fast experience for users with 5 year old hardware running the same software as the latest hardware phones. Having such headroom makes a difference. My mom’s 7 Plus still flies and keeps apps open fairly well, even with a 5 a half year old A10 and 3GB of RAM. An iPhone 13 Pro with 6GB of RAM and a A15 processor quite literally years ahead makes sure anyone with a 13 Pro will have a very fast device for many years.

 

[H2SO4]

It all comes down to this: Android is not properly optimized for the hardware, a limitation inherent in the design of the OS itself. iOS is highly optimized for the hardware it runs on, and as such, you get higher performance even with only 4 GB of RAM.

Nope. Not buying that at all. It’s just an MR cliche.

 

[warpdrive]

Apple chips and overall hardware are great, but the software needs polishing. Way too many bugs from release to release. If I buy a new iPhone with just released software OS, I have to muddle through lots of bugs for the first couple of months at least.

Once over the hump, the phones are great though and due to the fast chips, you can keep it for 3-4 years easily before you really feel it's slowing down (and the battery is wearing down necessitating a replacement). I plan to keep my 13 Pro for at 3 more cycles. I replaced my XS Max and to be honest, I easily could have been happy with the XS Max for another year, it's still running like a champ.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Nope. Not buying that at all. It’s just an MR cliche.

However, you have to admit that (most of the time), iOS on the newer iPhones generally work quite well with reasonable "snap." I've had no trouble with just about all the apps on my iPhone 12.

 

[Abazigal]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/748564/developing-countries-households-with-computer/ It's older, 2019, but I didn't find many statistics with a quick search. About a 3rd of developing country households have a PC, although I was surprised that this number is going up instead of down, but I guess PCs get cheaper every year. I'd be curious what percentage of those households have portable PCs, I'll bet that number goes down quite rapidly.

Still, it illustrates that 2/3 of developing country households don't have PCs. If you look at the stats for developed countries it's closer to 80%, but combined it's less than half worldwide, and even in developed countries I'll bet that skews very heavily away from the poor and lower middle classes. So there are a heck of a lot of people without PCs, even if you allow that some of them may have a PC at work. That's a LOT of people who might benefit from using something like Dex. Your use case, of having an iPhone, iPad, and a PC, is not the norm worldwide. On cost, I think Dex goes back to the S9? You can get a S9 for about a hundred bucks these days, probably much less used. Edit: Dex goes back to the S8.

Let's be clear, I'm NOT saying that Dex is awesome or anything, but at least Samsung is putting forth some effort here.

Edit: Here's another example (although a bit old), 1/3 of low income students only use their mobile phones for internet access. https://theconversation.com/many-lo...one-to-get-online-what-are-they-missing-54213

This one is interesting, note that in the US those who had low income and have broadband, a smartphone, PC, and tablet was only 23%. Even among middle and higher class it's still nowhere near 100%. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...th-lower-incomes-make-gains-in-tech-adoption/ "With fewer options for online access at their disposal, Americans with lower incomes are relying more on smartphones. As of early 2021, 27% of adults living in households earning less than $30,000 a year are smartphone-only internet users"

Thank you for providing those numbers. I did think about people in developing countries, but in every article I have read about them, it seems that they are either using cheap laptops / chrome books, or just getting by with a handphone (example would be China, where everything basically exists within the wechat app).

Samsung's DeX Setup Is Too Expensive to Shine in the Markets That Need It the Most

Samsung DeX is the much advertised feature of the Galaxy S8 and S8+ which turns your phone into a computer. But is it really aimed at the right audience?

www.xda-developers.com

I feel that the people in these countries are unlikely to by buying samsung phones that do support Dex, even if they are several-year-old models that have been heavily discounted. Why bother, when there are numerous other inexpensive android handsets available? Xiaomi, Vivo, even Samsung’s other cheaper models.

So I think we come back to the old problem where the people buying these phones likely already have the disposable income to spend on multiple computing devices (making Dex that less attractive of a proposition), while the people who might benefit from having a portable desktop CPU (of sorts) are not going to be interested in it due to pricing reasons. And the issue with bringing Dex to cheaper handsets is that for that price, they may not have the specs to sufficiently power said feature.