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iPhone 13 iPhone 13 Pro: Cinematic Mode being "pro-grade" - bad joke
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LOL, I haven't shot anything "cinematic". I "only" shoot interviews and local (Finnish) artists, vintage car collectors etc., mostly on my iPhone 11. Here is one of my recent iPhone 11 interviews of interested (sorry, Finnish only):
BTW, I've never stated I shoot Hollywood stuff or on Hollywood rig. I cited Tim Cook's stating "it [Cinematic Mode] is like having a Hollywood rig in your pocket" in the iJustine "interview" (at 3:54). Which is definitely NOT true - anyone knowing how to spot the effects of not strictly hardware (as decent Hollywood-grade rigs do) bokeh / out-of-focus-simulator blurring will agree with this. That is, this thread is all about Apple's falsely advertising this feature as being Hollywood-grade.
EDIT: for clarity, added "will agree with this"
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If you are on a paid assignment your gonna bring professional equipment. No one is gonna pay you to show up with an iphone and produce technically substandard output when your competitor will show up with primes and some pro bodies to produce a superior product than the guy charging the same and showing up with an iphone.
The iphone is a great product, I use it for my own personal stuff since I dont want to lug around a 1dx mark iii with a bunch of primes to make fun videos of my dogs etc.
99% of the photos and videos I take with my iphone
It is interesting to me that every time a feature likes this comes up it all turns into a discussion whether real production will use them. I would be shocked if they ever do, except small places and harsh environments.
The real question for me is then I shoot something special and predictable (e.g. my kids blowing out candles on a birthday cake), what will I do:
1.) shoot in iPhone in 4k
2.) shoot cinematic in 1080p
3.) stop being lazy and setup my canon mirrorless
Currently for most moments like this i shoot video in with iphone in 4k. For pictures of predictable moment i still tend to use my canon cameras.
For candid stuff of family it is almost exlusively iphone for stills and video.
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BTW, you're making the classic mistake of demanding critics to have been done exactly the same kind of work they're criticising. An analogy:
1, do you demand AAA game reviewers to have developed at least one AAA game?
2, do you demand literature critics to have written at least one book of the same style as the reviewed one?
3, do you demand professional(!) large-budget movie reviewers to have shot at least one large-budget movie?
Dude, you are quite whiner. They did improve portrait mode step by step. And tech is advancing in waves. Easy peasy, I am outta here.
Did improve - still, it still isn't perfect. Almost every single portrait (assuming the subject isn't bald) does exhibit hair problems.
Sure I don't use it. If I do want to shoot decent portraits, I have system cameras for it. No need for software-based mess-ups.
Honest question: Are other brands ahead of apple in portrait mode? Just curious.
Since I am deep in the apple ecosystem I dont pay much attention to other brands. But if others pull ahead I will buy an android.
Since I am deep in the apple ecosystem I dont pay much attention to other brands. But if others pull ahead I will buy an android.
This is absolutely fake bokeh. The lenses and sensors identify where to apply the fake bokeh by guessing at depth info, but none of it is actually physics-based lens bokeh and it can be adjusted or turned off entirely in post-editing.
Google pixel has the best portrait mode and will likely carry that over with the pixel 6 line. That said no other phone has something as good as this cinematic mode will likely be For video.
The fact that you compare yourself to literary critics is interesting. Spider vs the Hax of Sol III comes immediately to mind.
So, you’ve got “system cameras”. Bully for you. So what? Having a different type of camera doesn’t make you a superior photographer.
All you’ve done is show us that you freeze-frame a video and nitpick about things that no ordinary viewer would even notice. You could do the same thing with any Hollywood movie.
“Look, the audience in that auditorium isn’t moving! They aren’t people at all, it’s just a static matte painting! Citizen Kane is a fraud!” But it was good enough for Orson Wells because he didn’t care about pixel peaking. And neither should anyone else.
Again, again and again:
1, Cook stated "it [Cinematic Mode] is like having a Hollywood rig in your pocket" in the iJustine "interview" (at 3:54). Which is definitely NOT true - anyone knowing how to spot the effects of not strictly hardware (as decent Hollywood-grade rigs do) bokeh / out-of-focus-simulator blurring will agree with this. That is, this thread is all about Apple's falsely advertising this feature as being Hollywood-grade.
2, you will NEVER show me anything like this (effects of software-generated bokeh / unfocused) in anything shot with decent hardware. I certainly know "big" cameras have problems - it's just not these kinds of problems.
Nope, I'm debating YOUR stating not anyone should criticise something he hasn't actively done. It applies to everything, not only "shooting with Hollywood-grade rig" but also music, literature, cuisine, everything.
Yup, and incidentally this is why this all may be restricted to 1080p only (the need to use fixed focus during shooting, which results in blurring & not being able to deliver full (4k-level) sharpness in the entire post processing time-focusable region.)
There’s an excellent, short summary & a video on the 1080p restriction by “matejphoto” at https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-isnt-4k.2310851/?post=30309139#post-30309139
Citation: Across the entire lineup of iPhone 13 models, Apple is introducing Cinematic Mode, or portrait mode for videos, and we'll have more to share on that in our upcoming hands-on videos. Results in early reviews are mixed, however, with The Verge noting that it's "nowhere near as good as Apple’s own commercials would have you believe" and particularly struggles in low-light situations.
Source:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...oved-battery-make-for-worthy-upgrade.2312332/
I wonder if you go to for example The Verge and also tell them to shut up, LOL…
I do video and photography on a freelance basis and there have been times when I used my iPhone 11 Pro Max to get the job done on the fly. The clients that hired me were none the wiser that I used a smartphone over my normal DSLR and mirrorless camera majority of the time. Of course, this was when the 11 pro max was the newest iphone lol. Since then I use my normal video gear and my iphone for social events or if I am in a jam, or just don't feel like bringing all my gear lol.
iPhone's have come a long way for photography and videography that's for sure.
iPhone's have come a long way for photography and videography that's for sure.
Hopefully the software improves a lot to make it decent. Portrait mode was horrible when it first released and it's pretty good now.
BTW, DPReview has just released a video on the Cinematic Mode as well.
An interesting tidbit: From 3:34: (direct link)
"I do also think that they’re sticking with 1080p because any issues where it’s not totally cloning out like hair or translucent glass where the portrait mode tends to have a lot of problems - I think it’ll make a lot less evident if the video isn’t super detailed."
EDIT: typo (tens -> tends)
An interesting tidbit: From 3:34: (direct link)
"I do also think that they’re sticking with 1080p because any issues where it’s not totally cloning out like hair or translucent glass where the portrait mode tends to have a lot of problems - I think it’ll make a lot less evident if the video isn’t super detailed."
EDIT: typo (tens -> tends)
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