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aren’t these displays from samsung?

Yep! I just added a mention of this to the story for anyone who is curious.

Actually both iPhone 11 Pro and 12 Pro had 1,200 nits max brightness for HDR. Only the typical brightness increased from 800 nits to 1000 nits.View attachment 1851072

You're right. That's my mistake. I glossed over the Compare page too quickly. Fixed that!
 
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Yep! I just added a mention of this to the story for anyone who is curious.



You're right. That's my mistake. I glossed over the Compare page too quickly. Fixed that!
Why has MacRumors never reported on PWM usage on iPhone OLED displays?

If you search your forums, you will see literally thousands of posts about the topic. I am a big fan of MacRumors, but this seems like an excellent topic for a true journalist to explore that has been ignored since iPhone X was released.

The original thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/eye-strain-while-using-iphone-x.2085427/

Recent: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-13-pro-screen-pwm-flicker-at-all-brightness.2312862
 
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I was comparing my iPhone 11 Pro Max to my new 13 Pro Max, and the 11 Pro Max actually looked better.

Especially at an angle, my 11 Pro Max stayed white while the new 13 Pro Max got darker and less white.

The 120Hz is noticeable if I look for it, but otherwise it doesn't stand out to me when scrolling.

iPhone 13 Pro Max on the left, iPhone 11 Pro Max on the right.
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iPhone 13 probably going back. Not impressed by much about it. The hard edges are not as comfortable as the rounded, thinner edges of the iPhone 11.

Looks like True Tone might be affecting the comparison (in your photo the 13 looks slightly red-er while the 11 looks slightly blue-er)? I noticed my 12 Pro Max and 13 Pro Max True Tone display settings don't match between phones (I actually prefer the 12's very slightly yellow-er True Tone adjustment).

At max brightness there is a slightly noticeable difference between the 12 and 13. The 120Hz Promotion display is a huge difference for me though and worth the upgrade (YMMV).
 
I was comparing my iPhone 11 Pro Max to my new 13 Pro Max, and the 11 Pro Max actually looked better.

Especially at an angle, my 11 Pro Max stayed white while the new 13 Pro Max got darker and less white.

The 120Hz is noticeable if I look for it, but otherwise it doesn't stand out to me when scrolling.

iPhone 13 Pro Max on the left, iPhone 11 Pro Max on the right.
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iPhone 13 probably going back. Not impressed by much about it. The hard edges are not as comfortable as the rounded, thinner edges of the iPhone 11.
The new display is garbage, compared my 13 pro max to a 11 and 12 pro max, both were brighter than my 13 pro max, will post pictures later.
 
I was comparing my iPhone 11 Pro Max to my new 13 Pro Max, and the 11 Pro Max actually looked better.

Especially at an angle, my 11 Pro Max stayed white while the new 13 Pro Max got darker and less white.

The 120Hz is noticeable if I look for it, but otherwise it doesn't stand out to me when scrolling.

iPhone 13 Pro Max on the left, iPhone 11 Pro Max on the right.
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iPhone 13 probably going back. Not impressed by much about it. The hard edges are not as comfortable as the rounded, thinner edges of the iPhone 11.
I dunno looks blurry lol
 
The new display is garbage, compared my 13 pro max to a 11 and 12 pro max, both were brighter than my 13 pro max, will post pictures later.
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Looks like True Tone might be affecting the comparison (in your photo the 13 looks slightly red-er while the 11 looks slightly blue-er)? I noticed my 12 Pro Max and 13 Pro Max True Tone display settings don't match between phones (I actually prefer the 12's very slightly yellow-er True Tone adjustment).

At max brightness there is a slightly noticeable difference between the 12 and 13. The 120Hz Promotion display is a huge difference for me though and worth the upgrade (YMMV).
True tone is off on both phones. Always off. I don't like what it does.
I double-checked the setting after transferring my iPhone 11 contents to the iPhone 13.
 
Sort of looks like the pics I posted earlier. iPhone 13 Pro Max is dingier whereas the iPhone 11 (or 12, can't tell because you didn't notate what was what) is whiter.
exact same issue, both the iPhone 11 and 12 pro max have better panels than my 13 pro max.
 
You are completely wrong. These are 100% screens made according to technology developed by Apple. They have nothing to do with Samsung, except that Apple is hiring them as the final contractor. The same screens are produced for Apple by several other companies, including LG.
Apple is brighter, has a different coating, has a different color scheme.
Not many people know about it, but Apple has powerful laboratories dealing with screen technologies.
Correct. Saying that these are Samsung screens is like saying the A15 is a TSMC chip.
 
iPhones with OLED displays use PWM, therefore they automatically are garbage and should not be winning any awards.

Shame on Apple for using PWM in their displays.

Shame on MacRumors for never reporting about this as being a major issue.
I don't know much about display tech or electrical engineering so pardon my ignorance here . . . can you explain why PWM is bad? I've never heard of PWM until like a week ago. Why is this a major issue? What solution would you suggest as an alternative?
 
I don't know much about display tech or electrical engineering so pardon my ignorance here . . . can you explain why PWM is bad? I've never heard of PWM until like a week ago. Why is this a major issue? What solution would you suggest as an alternative?
PWM, in this case, controls the backlight for all iPhones with OLED displays. The light goes on and off very fast. The slower it goes on and off, the dimmer the brightness looks. This creates a flickering that you normally cannot notice, but your eyes and brain can. It gives many people headaches, eye strain, nausea. It's bad for your health. It is a less expensive way to control brightness of a display. It has benefits like extended battery life, which is probably why Apple compromises.

Many people do not understand it, but they have no qualms about knocking the people who do understand it down. I am just trying to shed light on the situation. (No pun intended.)
 
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PWM, in this case, controls the backlight for all iPhones with OLED displays. The light goes on and off very fast. The slower it goes on and off, the dimmer the brightness looks. This creates a flickering that you normally cannot notice, but your eyes and brain can. It gives many people headaches, eye strain, nausea. It's bad for your health. It is a less expensive way to control brightness of a display. It has benefits like extended battery life, which is probably why Apple compromises.

Many people do not understand it, but they have no qualms about knocking the people who do understand it down. I am just trying to shed light on the situation. (No pun intended.)
And your solution or compromise is what??
 
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