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iPhone 13 Screen Replacements Can Break Face ID, a Repair Restriction iFixit Calls 'Completely Unprecedented'
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Why not just to give an option to bring your repaired phone to apple once you changed the screen so that apple verify that evrything is legit and not stolen and for a 10$ fee press the pair button in thir software and evrything works again.
Same with the side loading.
Once you buy your phone, give the option to the owner to fill in a form and then remotelly unlock the option for that user.
That way evryone wins. The control freaks will have their locked down ecosystem and the users that want to do what they what with their hardware too
Same with the side loading.
Once you buy your phone, give the option to the owner to fill in a form and then remotelly unlock the option for that user.
That way evryone wins. The control freaks will have their locked down ecosystem and the users that want to do what they what with their hardware too
Happy that Apple offers an option to extending the warranty rather than raising prices? Sure. I get to decide whether it's worth it or not.
Happy BMW requires registration? No, but since I have the diagnostic program needed to do that it's a small inconvenience.
I see a couple of problems with that:
1. How does Apple verify it's a stolen part? No they have to decide and tell people "sorry, you phone has stolen parts."
2. That raises the question of what is Apple's responsibility to report the use of stolen parts to law enforcement?
3. If something went wrong with pairing or afterwards people would expect Apple to fix the problem. If Apple refused they'd whine about how Apple fixed their phone and it doesn't work.
Except developers who'd probably see piracy go up; resulting in less revenue and either going out of business or switching to a subscription model to stay in business.
I suspect large companies would go to side loading to avoid paying Apple to be on the App Store, as well as to circumvent Apple's rules on advertising, privacy, etc.
Apple could still require apps to be approved and signed in order to run, and charge for things such as review, signing, etc. up front and of course demand a cut of revenue on an ongoing basis.
You'd probably see a Balkanization of teh app market place. Major players would start their own for their apps and cut deals with Apple, some large ones such as Microsoft would stay on it because of how the charge for apps such as Office, and smaller developers staying on the App Store because they can't afford the upfront and ongoing costs nor hope to reach as wide a potential user base on their own.
Last time I "broke" a screen it was because my out of warranty iPhone got super hot in my pocket as the battery swelled up quite suddenly. So, I jumped up from the table of the pizza restaurant I was in and ran outside as quick as I could with it. It didn't catch on fire, but it did swell up so big and so fast that it cracked the screen.
So, golly, how about that, huh? I didn't crack my screen at all, but it sure did end up cracked just the same, didn't it?
I took it to a kiosk in the mall the next day and some kid replaced the screen and the battery for like $120 (Australian, I lived there at the time) in under an hour and I never had another problem with it.
No one is listening in on your family. Ads are based on your families browsing/shopping habits. Nothing else.
It isn't. Don't get me wrong, I used Apple in the 80s/90s because they had great products, I bought pretty much anything Apple threw on the market in the past 20 years. I did so knowing what I buy, products that are not easily repairable, that a locked to to their eco system, that are more expensive than the competition, etc.
What I do not understand is the brainwashed Apple sheep acting like cult members, who never designed hardware and software systems (and no, a website is not a software system), have no real experience in cyber security, in short have no damn idea what they're talking about and claim it's all for security and has to be done this way. There's not a single explanation out there, because it's BS. It's been shown it can easily be bypassed on the other had, yet the sheep reject reality and live in their fantasy world. It's like those guys with their flat/hollow earth theory, or those claiming the earth is only 6000 years old. The next thing they're going to claim is the iPhone is much safer when used under a 51 degree pyramid to bring the human form, earth, sun, moon and cosmos together.
It's not for security, the only reason is this is how Apple operates to make sure no one else is handling repairs except them, so they can make money of it. And that is ok, when buying Apple products that's the way it works. Don't like it, vote with your wallet.
As for security, I wonder why those so worried about it buy iPhones running iOS with all the exploits out there? They would be better off running something like GrapheneOS and if really paranoid, throw a NitroPhone in the mix, which gives you the most secure consumer phone/OS on the planet.
Ha? You're happy that they locks you out of your own phone if you don't use their repair service. You're at the mercy of only one service provider VS many.
You're OK that every business going forward can only be allowed to use the manufacturer to repair their products. Including every car, phones, fridges, pc, etc...
I can get my Honda repair for half the cost VS going to a Honda dealership. It's insane how Apple fans root against consumers benefits. Luckily for us, the govt is stepping in somewhat and trying to change this damn law. Hope the govt ban this practice moving forward. John deer is ripping off our farmers by locking the repair w this horrible practice.
I am not sure how you came to your conclusion but nowhere did I say I was happy with it; I am happy that Apple offer AppleCare+ separately so I can decide whether to buy it and not have it baked into the initial price.
That is generally the case with most manufacturers.
I would say letting a consumer decide if they want to shoulder the cost of an extended warranty, vs. putting it into the sale price, is a consumer benefit. It's just one more configuration option.
And your point is? I said I was not happy with BMW's battery registration and somehow you've decided I'm pro-lockouts.
There are plenty of places where companies are forced to provide different offerings or extended warranty cover because governments decide what a consumer is entitled to, not corporations. I realise that you probably live in the US and don’t realise how backwards the system there is but please don’t think that a corporation should be in control of what rights a consumer should have.
True, and in general consumers pay for those warranties in higher prices for the product.
Backward is relative; different is a better term. I mean, is it backward that in some places if I roam more outside my home area too much they can invoke data restrictions or charge for data?
It's a tradeoff of price vs additional protections. Even so, it's not a blanket case of "Corporation X has to fix your device for X years..." The consumer may have to prove it's a defect and even then the selling store may get to decide and be on the hook for repairs, so depending where you bought it you may be forced to send it off or not have those protections.
In the end, corporations pass on the costs of those protections to the consumer. It's a question of what you prefer - price or protection?
Neither is better, just different.
Do they? In most places I know of that have more expensive products it’s largely down to tax and exchange rates and import costs. I haven’t done the calculations for every country on earth though, so if you have an example of a country where stuff is far more expensive after accounting for those, please let me know.
How is that relevant? Are you saying US carriers don’t charge roaming fees outside US borders?
If that is indeed how it works in some places, that’s a fair argument.
They pass it on to consumers anyway. That’s why they’re charging for AppleCare instead of giving it away for free.
So apple should allow 3rd party places to purchase genuine parts. Not cheap parts. That’s all on apple.
Apple repair services are nothing spectacular either. Far from perfect repair record. No to mention. Leaking pics on a customers phone. Good job apple
Look at 13" MBP 512 GB Base EU vs US. Across the EU, it's about $100 - 150 more expensive , before VAT / Sales Tax, than in the US. Given the Euro is generally higher than the dollar, one would expect it to be closer in price; and Apple can hedge exchange rates anyway and keeps a lot of money in the EU as well. As for import costs, shipping from China to the EU or the US should not be that much more expensive. I strongly suspect part of that difference is increases warranty costs. How much is open to speculation, since even in the EU the 2 year warranty really isn't a 2 year manufacturer warranty anyway in all cases.
My point to your claim that because one country dos it differently they are backwards, so I provided a counter example.
As for naming, it depends. I get free texts in the EU, as well as unlimited low speed data.
But for a better comparison, when in the US I can use a US carrier anywhere in the US for as long as I like and not worry about getting data charges or pay for calls/texts; unlike in the EU if I roam outside of the country where I established the account I risk getting data overage charges, have the carrier question my usage, plus pay for calls or texts, and the EU is about the size of the US. It's crazy that I can't get a German phone plan and use it with no restrictions in Portugal for as long as I want, since they are in one common market.
Companys book warranty liabilities based on expected costs, so if they want the same margins prices go up.
Now, it's a fair argument to say the consumer would be better off if Apple just offered a 3 year warranty, raised prices on all machines sold so the actual cost to each consumer was less than Applecare+; but how much would depend on how Apple decides to make up for lost repair and AC+ revenue.
Yes, but it is the consumer's choice whether to buy it or not? Isn't that the basic argument people are making for 3rd party repairs - freedom to chose?
Except the price is likely to be so high that small shops could not afford to stock replacement parts and consumers would balk at paying the higher prices. Apple isn't going to sell iPhone screens at AliExpress prices.
True, but when the botched one on my almost 3 year old MBP they gave me a brand new one for free.
I’d say part of that is also a buffer against exchange rate fluctuation. Apple rarely raise prices after launch, likely because they’ve factored in a comfortable enough margin to account for gradual changes. But you could be right, I’m only speculating and it’s likely far more complicated than this.
Using a carrier anywhere within the country it operates isn’t surprising, but Europe isn’t a county. It’s not a fair comparison.
What I’d prefer is that they just make parts available to those who want to buy them and stop actively making their stuff harder to repair. If people want to pay more to get an Apple-certified repair, that should be their choice, but let people have access to other options.
Yup, that’s correct, people want choice. The current “choice” of paying a potentially unnecessary AppleCare subscription or risk getting slapped with a ridiculous bill for a simple repair doesn’t really cut it.
Ah, now it makes sense. You live under the insanity of the EU where the government thinks its OK to force private companies to adhere to their psychotic whims.
Lol. I don’t live in the EU or anywhere near it, but I do acknowledge that their consumer rights are infinitely better than what Americans are subjected to.
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"Rights". They aren't rights. They are misapplications of the purpose of government and law, by whiny people who think "I want" is a reason to create laws.
It’s only Monday but I’d put money in this being the most insane thing I’ll read all week. Not only is it a massive misunderstanding of the role of government and confusion about what a right is, but it also glorifies such a sad and dystopian world view.
I’m not 100% convinced that this isn‘t just elaborate trolling at this point, but either way I don’t think we have anything left to say to each other.
again that’s on apple. Charge a fair price for the parts.
They should have, they broke your machine
Yea, I agree. I doubt much is exchange rate as they really don't move that much over a year, in general they stay in a pretty tight band, and a hedge can cover it anyway.
But yea, it is complicated and Apple doesn't report financials in a way to easily figure it out.
But they are supposed to be a common market, yet they really aren't in many cases. Carriers in the US could easily do the same as in Europe but they don't, does that make the EU backwards? I'd say no, just different in response to your earlier backward comment.
That would be nice, but part of it is the tradeoff for size vs repair difficulty. My guess is since the average replacement cycle is less than 36 months and most phones last that long designing for repair is not really considered; they design for form instead.
An extended warranty is always a hedge against an expensive repair cost. It's up to the individual to decide if it's worth it.
I'd like to see cheaper high quality repairs being available but I doubt we will.
Lol. There isn't much else to say to you. You LIKE the way government has overstepped its purpose to trample on anyone they wish, while rallying support by confusing the difference between something you want and something you have a right to control. Many people no longer understand the difference (like you), and when that happens things spin out of control.
Well, fair is relative but an Apple part is still likely to be at least 2 - 3 x the price of AliExpress stuff, if only for the quality, QC and costs of dealing with small orders.
Love all the people getting upset & angry of this comment. Classic. I replaced an iPhone 6s screen with an iFixit (supposedly OEM) screen and it was clearly inferior garbage.
So I see that apple have caved with regards to the iPhone 13 screen repair situation.
www.independent.co.uk
Apple relents on controversial restrictions on iPhone 13 display
Apple has reversed course on its controversial choice to make the iPhone 13 reject repaired screens.
www.independent.co.uk
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