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As a photographer with a D-850 and 45 megapixels, I'm curious how they can do this with such a small device. That's a lot of megapixels to put on a camera-sized sensor. The sensor in the D-850 is 35mm. APS-C struggles to get to 30 megapixels with a 25mm sensor. There's certain physics that come into play with sensor size, and the current tech still needs to cram an awful lot of pixels into a very small space.

I'm wondering what shenanigans -- pixel-binning aside -- they need to do to make this size image in the phone. It's got to be a software thing rather than a physical hardware thing -- which would make it somewhat suspect as truly defined...
Non apple phones already have had 108mp sensors for years now. Doesn’t mean the quality will ever touch your d850 or my z7. Basically thus just makes large photos with poor quality detail and a lot of Computational trickery
 
80% of picture quality in smartphones these days are software related so even though it sounds awesome with an upgraded camera, it doesn't automatically make it leaps better. Need software and CPU/AI power
 
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old news really, a 48MP sensor, for photography in a phone will not really add value, as mentioned in the article, smaller pixels, less light, so, 8k video yes, you need that ...
Apple, focus on the optical capabilities of the cameras, pixel count is secondary
 
Given the physical size of phones now, a larger sensor is overdue. Larger sensor > megapixels in this context. A 1" sensor in combination with computational software would make for one impressive phone camera.
you're kidding, right? how would you fit a 1" sensor into a phone? sensor size would be the same, pixel size will go down, that's the only way
 
I knew it would need to be bigger, but would it need to be twice as thick? I'm not being combative here; I'm curious as my engineering knowledge is limited.
Looks like Sharp has done it in a 10.5mm thick phone, so you're looking at about 40% thicker than the current iPhones. But that's also assuming they utilized the exact same camera module, which Apple wouldn't. Still a pretty big jump in thickness. Especially considering this additional camera benefit is something most users wouldn't get much from. I don't see Apple trading that for this.
 
Looks like Sharp has done it in a 10.5mm thick phone, so you're looking at about 40% thicker than the current iPhones. But that's also assuming they utilized the exact same camera module, which Apple wouldn't. Still a pretty big jump in thickness. Especially considering this additional camera benefit is something most users wouldn't get much from. I don't see Apple trading that for this.
The 13PM is already a beefy/heavy phone. I can't imagine it being 40% thicker, with a corresponding weight gain. Seems to me you're right on this one.
 
I for one would not mind a thicker phone if it meant doing away with the camera bump. Thicker battery too! Or maybe better cooling meaning they can push the next chip even harder… lots of possibilities and ultimately a much more elegant design. USB-C too, I can dream right? Or at least upgrade lightning to support usb 3.0 speeds… it’s a PRO device!
To me it doesn't matter, because I always use a rugged enough case to protect it, that the camera bump disappears.
 
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Looking forward to the 48 megapixel camera...

B357 ph070 3v3r!
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I remember Nokia PureView phones ten years ago had Pixel Binning as a feature. They were quite great at the time. Let's see how Apple's implementation of the technology is going to be.
No they hadn't, they used the PureView oversampling technology which is different.
Anyway Apple will use the Pixel Binning technology that has been available on the market for 3 years now.
 
I just don't see them jumping that much in a single generation.
I feel the same.
Can anyone else recall a time when Apple specs jumped as much as what a 12- to 48-megapixle jump would represent?
While they might get to 48, eventually, I feel there would be no less than three smaller iterations over something like 6 years before they landed on 48. That's seems more how they roll.

Besides... Isn't sensor size what we're really after here?
 
Given the physical size of phones now, a larger sensor is overdue. Larger sensor > megapixels in this context. A 1" sensor in combination with computational software would make for one impressive phone camera.
Large sensor = more light = better photos. No amount of computational software can overcome this. Apple's computational photography is very impressive, but only in the context of "we're doing this with really small sensors".

Imagine what it could do when the source was much better than it is now.
 
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I feel the same.
Can anyone else recall a time when Apple specs jumped as much as what a 12- to 48-megapixle jump would represent?
While they might get to 48, eventually, I feel there would be no less than three smaller iterations over something like 6 years before they landed on 48. That's seems more how they roll.

Besides... Isn't sensor size what we're really after here?
In this case, it may simply be because to make any kind of meaningful improvement at all, this is where it is at.
 
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old news really, a 48MP sensor, for photography in a phone will not really add value, as mentioned in the article, smaller pixels, less light, so, 8k video yes, you need that ...
Apple, focus on the optical capabilities of the cameras, pixel count is secondary
A 48Mp sensor can have a higher effective pixel size through pixel binning than Apple's latest 12Mp sensors.
For example Mi 11 Ultra's 50MP sensor consistently can capture more light than Apple's 12MP main camera.
 
A 48Mp sensor can have a higher effective pixel size through pixel binning than Apple's latest 12Mp sensors.
For example Mi 11 Ultra's 50MP sensor consistently can capture more ligh than Apple's 12MP main camera.
Finally someone with a brain here
 
I'm using an iPhone 13 pro max for work and a z flip3 right now on my holidays. When I go back to work I'll use the iPhone more often I think because of the battery but the flip has been just fantastic. It would take more than a camera or battery bump to get me to drop $2300aud + apple care. I prefer ios but the incremental bumps are daylight robbery for my aging self.:)
 
Pixel Binning is so 2019 news.
And it's in most Android phones including low-end phones, Apple is just late to the party.
I suppose you're just pushing buttons but most of the parties Apple arrive late to
they end up looking pretty good :)
When They implement a technology they seem to improve on the status quo.
 
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Apparently you didn't read post #10 where I stated I'm no engineer ;)
If it's wishful thinking on my part, that's fine. After all, MR is a playground for wishful thinkers, isn't it?
so you expect me to read every post before I reply? wishful thinking indeed ...
 
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I'm using an iPhone 13 pro max for work and a z flip3 right now on my holidays. When I go back to work I'll use the iPhone more often I think because of the battery but the flip has been just fantastic. It would take more than a camera or battery bump to get me to drop $2300aud + apple care. I prefer ios but the incremental bumps are daylight robbery for my aging self.:)
We Americans don't get robbed quite as bad as you folk but I've been buying a used
iPhone for the last couple, I just don't see paying that much for the latest, which I don't need.
Same with cars or guitars etc..
 
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