To reduce the reloading of sleeping apps?For what exactly?
To reduce the reloading of sleeping apps?For what exactly?
Hey, first post here... Fun reading but have to throw in my two pennies... Haven't you watched the ads? The pro phone is used exclusively by multi-talented YOUNG (have to be below about 30 over that age and the phone burns your fingers off and drops to the ground for Smeagol to find) preferably with two or three pronouns, job has to be either a straight on creative job or the pro owner to be a diverse model turned particle physicist... Otherwise, according to the videos during the Apple "Event" I watched last week, you are merely a regular Android or iPhone 13 (currently remarketed as a 14) owner. /jkI’m wondering as well. It would be interesting and informative to read some wide-spread real world examples of how the Pro phones are used and worth the processing power. (I.e. not “professional videographer youtuber” or “fashion executive designing next years clothing line”, but PTA meetings, weekend bird watcher, business college student, etc.)
What’s the base then? As a test on various JavaScript and ad filled sites, I just had a few dozen tabs and it maxed out my 16GB Windows system.
Saying you have 10 tabs open is like saying you have 10 programs open. Are the all notepad programs? Or are they Photoshop/After Effects/etc? The web isn’t 1995 anymore. I have seen single websites with rogue JavaScript take 2 GB of RAM. Just for that one site. One tab!
I have a 128GB 13 Pro (don't know if that matters, but the more details the better), and I just went to my oldest app in App Switcher. I guess I had to swipe across probably 50 apps to get to the end of the line. (I never kill apps unless they bug out.) It's a very infrequently used toll authority account manager app - actually forgot I have it. It literally took less than a second for the app to load, Face ID to authenticate, and my account details to come up. Is that a sign of enough RAM in my phone? Or is that sign that it works perfectly as it should? I really don't know.I’m wondering as well. It would be interesting and informative to read some wide-spread real world examples of how the Pro phones are used and worth the processing power. (I.e. not “professional videographer youtuber” or “fashion executive designing next years clothing line”, but PTA meetings, weekend bird watcher, business college student, etc.)
I also saw that one site take up 2 GB of RAM on Mac. It was one window, one site, one tab. My parents don’t know what RAM is but still use a 8GB system well. I looked and they don’t have high pressure or swap.I suppose that is a good point even though it’s not quite directly comparable, since macOS uses less memory in general. I suppose the answer in all cases is an ad blocker to stop the worst of it. 8 GB is the bare minimum still.
I guess my only point was people barely know what RAM is much less how much they have or need. Would be nice if 16GB was the base.
On the MacBook line, you have to upgrade at the time of purchase which can put a strain on budgets as other component upgrades may be scaled back. It's sad really.If I could still just pop open panels to add RAM, I'd always put the max, but you straight out can't self upgrade anymore, or you have to take the entire bottom off.
They have the ability to do 12GB as minimum; with LPDDR5 now. So why didn't they? Greed.And to think that the Xbox Series S has 10 GB GDDR6 RAM, which only costs £250!!! Apple should really be providing 10-12 GB base RAM on the Air/MBP 13.
What was slow for you before?Too bad single core perf increase vs. iPhone 13 Pro is less than 10%
But it's like a turbo v6.Would have like 8gb. Oh well.
My cousin received his Pro today from his cellphone company.Same issue here for me in bc Canada. Pro max is going into November now lol
The reason why Android needs so much memory is that it lacks Apple's level of hardware and software integration and, like generic windows and other software that is required to run on a plethora of ambiguous hardware, is highly inefficient and needs twice as much to do pretty much the same as Apple does on its highly regulated hardware.
If iPhone ever moves over to M series with its unified memory architecture, this gap in performance and power usage will be literally LOLworthy.
And to think that the Xbox Series S has 10 GB GDDR6 RAM, which only costs £250!!! Apple should really be providing 10-12 GB base RAM on the Air/MBP 13.
Am i wrong to suspect that Apple is waiting for several more years, when advances in processor and camera and display slow down more, to suddenly throw in a 25-30% bigger battery as the wow factor... to have a significantly longer battery life?This!! This is what I have been shouting into the void! Thank you for putting it in such direct terms!
The point is apple charges that much for each ram upgrade tier on their macs, but you can get an entire console for that price of an 8gb upgradeThe Xbox doesn't have a screen, cellular hardware, cameras, speakers, GPS hardware...I can go on but I expect you get the point.
Honestly I thought page reloading in Safari was due to low memory but that's not the case. Apps - a different situation and obviously use more ram I get that.Occasionally sleeping apps will reload, like safari. More memory will stop the reloading.
I still think his point here is that an Xbox is a bigger "box" with components that could never fit into an iPhone. And other than "maybe" graphics performance. Most likely isn't even as powerful as the latest iPhone (I'm sure there is a way to sort of benchmark them to find out for sure). Even then, it doesn't come with the other components that an iPhone does come with. Like a monitor/TV/input controls/cellular networking/better appstore (arguably)/etc.The point is apple charges that much for each ram upgrade tier on their macs, but you can get an entire console for that price of an 8gb upgrade
I don’t think its in their interest to sandbag. Also I have no clue why they would be banned!Am i wrong to suspect that Apple is waiting for several more years, when advances in processor and camera and display slow down more, to suddenly throw in a 25-30% bigger battery as the wow factor... to have a significantly longer battery life?
curious... why did the person you replied to get suspended? So far ive only read intelligent and well stated points.
It depends on timing and model. You've gradually used all the phones and upgraded with them and probably never stepped back.I am legitimately curious, in what situation does the iPhone ever show that it doesn't have enough RAM? I have been using them since the first and I cannot ever remember wishing for more memory. I still find the experience smoother than any other phone I have ever used.
Not being a dick, just trying to figure out why people keep wanting more and more RAM when it seems like Apple has the iPhone pretty optimized using less than competitors.
So from my experience over the past 3 years on 11 pro there's a few things. The camera application with iOS14+ required so much memory at a minimum, other apps would unload. Also video apps such as disney+ and HBO max would cause similar behavior. There's also 3rd party keyboards which have a limit to memory access that's half the jetsam limit afforded to the stock keyboard, which would cause my keyboard to need to reload when moving between messages and safari.I am legitimately curious, in what situation does the iPhone ever show that it doesn't have enough RAM? I have been using them since the first and I cannot ever remember wishing for more memory. I still find the experience smoother than any other phone I have ever used.
Not being a dick, just trying to figure out why people keep wanting more and more RAM when it seems like Apple has the iPhone pretty optimized using less than competitors.
Yes, for sure android has some memory efficiency loss that they can mostly patch with throwing extra ram at the problem. However, put another way, the 'efficient' hardware and software integration means that there are many things that developers are not allowed to do that they can on android. As an example, android has supported split screening apps natively for a while now, which not even the iPhone Pro Max is allowed to do, despite it being allowed in iPadOS. So while the latest iPhones are very fast and extremely efficient with power and memory, the highly regulated hardware is not always an advantage.The reason why Android needs so much memory is that it lacks Apple's level of hardware and software integration and, like generic windows and other software that is required to run on a plethora of ambiguous hardware, is highly inefficient and needs twice as much to do pretty much the same as Apple does on its highly regulated hardware.
If iPhone ever moves over to M series with its unified memory architecture, this gap in performance and power usage will be literally LOLworthy.