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I’m wondering as well. It would be interesting and informative to read some wide-spread real world examples of how the Pro phones are used and worth the processing power. (I.e. not “professional videographer youtuber” or “fashion executive designing next years clothing line”, but PTA meetings, weekend bird watcher, business college student, etc.)
Hey, first post here... Fun reading but have to throw in my two pennies... Haven't you watched the ads? The pro phone is used exclusively by multi-talented YOUNG (have to be below about 30 over that age and the phone burns your fingers off and drops to the ground for Smeagol to find) preferably with two or three pronouns, job has to be either a straight on creative job or the pro owner to be a diverse model turned particle physicist... Otherwise, according to the videos during the Apple "Event" I watched last week, you are merely a regular Android or iPhone 13 (currently remarketed as a 14) owner. /jk
 
What’s the base then? As a test on various JavaScript and ad filled sites, I just had a few dozen tabs and it maxed out my 16GB Windows system.

Saying you have 10 tabs open is like saying you have 10 programs open. Are the all notepad programs? Or are they Photoshop/After Effects/etc? The web isn’t 1995 anymore. I have seen single websites with rogue JavaScript take 2 GB of RAM. Just for that one site. One tab!

I suppose that is a good point even though it’s not quite directly comparable, since macOS uses less memory in general. I suppose the answer in all cases is an ad blocker to stop the worst of it. 8 GB is the bare minimum still.

I guess my only point was people barely know what RAM is much less how much they have or need. Would be nice if 16GB was the base.
 
I’m wondering as well. It would be interesting and informative to read some wide-spread real world examples of how the Pro phones are used and worth the processing power. (I.e. not “professional videographer youtuber” or “fashion executive designing next years clothing line”, but PTA meetings, weekend bird watcher, business college student, etc.)
I have a 128GB 13 Pro (don't know if that matters, but the more details the better), and I just went to my oldest app in App Switcher. I guess I had to swipe across probably 50 apps to get to the end of the line. (I never kill apps unless they bug out.) It's a very infrequently used toll authority account manager app - actually forgot I have it. It literally took less than a second for the app to load, Face ID to authenticate, and my account details to come up. Is that a sign of enough RAM in my phone? Or is that sign that it works perfectly as it should? I really don't know.

I got this phone because the cameras were objectively better to get shots/videos of my family (wife and kids), the screen (w/ ProMotion) is beautiful, battery life has been amazing, and I actually use 5G+ hotspot regularly. I am a far cry from the young, beautiful, creative people who shoot Apple's promo shots. :p

(Of course when I upgrade to iPhone 15 or 16, I'll always appreciate any new tech in it!)
 
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I suppose that is a good point even though it’s not quite directly comparable, since macOS uses less memory in general. I suppose the answer in all cases is an ad blocker to stop the worst of it. 8 GB is the bare minimum still.

I guess my only point was people barely know what RAM is much less how much they have or need. Would be nice if 16GB was the base.
I also saw that one site take up 2 GB of RAM on Mac. It was one window, one site, one tab. My parents don’t know what RAM is but still use a 8GB system well. I looked and they don’t have high pressure or swap.

But yeah to your point I use Brave’s built in ad block. And I pay when sites offer ad free experience like this site. That brings memory usage down drastically.
 
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SERIOUSLY? Not ONE link to the actual teardown? But plenty of internal link.

That's some truly ****** (and low-class) journalism!
 
If I could still just pop open panels to add RAM, I'd always put the max, but you straight out can't self upgrade anymore, or you have to take the entire bottom off.
On the MacBook line, you have to upgrade at the time of purchase which can put a strain on budgets as other component upgrades may be scaled back. It's sad really.
 
Same issue here for me in bc Canada. Pro max is going into November now lol
My cousin received his Pro today from his cellphone company.

We're literally the first ones to click "Purchase" during the preorder and we'll receive it last. What a shame lol
 
The reason why Android needs so much memory is that it lacks Apple's level of hardware and software integration and, like generic windows and other software that is required to run on a plethora of ambiguous hardware, is highly inefficient and needs twice as much to do pretty much the same as Apple does on its highly regulated hardware.

If iPhone ever moves over to M series with its unified memory architecture, this gap in performance and power usage will be literally LOLworthy.

The iPhone already is unified. There's nothing to move to.
 
And to think that the Xbox Series S has 10 GB GDDR6 RAM, which only costs £250!!! Apple should really be providing 10-12 GB base RAM on the Air/MBP 13.

The Xbox doesn't have a screen, cellular hardware, cameras, speakers, GPS hardware...I can go on but I expect you get the point.
 
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This!! This is what I have been shouting into the void! Thank you for putting it in such direct terms!
Am i wrong to suspect that Apple is waiting for several more years, when advances in processor and camera and display slow down more, to suddenly throw in a 25-30% bigger battery as the wow factor... to have a significantly longer battery life?

curious... why did the person you replied to get suspended? So far ive only read intelligent and well stated points.
 
Occasionally sleeping apps will reload, like safari. More memory will stop the reloading.
Honestly I thought page reloading in Safari was due to low memory but that's not the case. Apps - a different situation and obviously use more ram I get that.

3rd launch day(s) iPhone for me now (5/5S, 7, then X but swapped for 8) This time 512GB space black!
 
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The point is apple charges that much for each ram upgrade tier on their macs, but you can get an entire console for that price of an 8gb upgrade
I still think his point here is that an Xbox is a bigger "box" with components that could never fit into an iPhone. And other than "maybe" graphics performance. Most likely isn't even as powerful as the latest iPhone (I'm sure there is a way to sort of benchmark them to find out for sure). Even then, it doesn't come with the other components that an iPhone does come with. Like a monitor/TV/input controls/cellular networking/better appstore (arguably)/etc.

At best you could compare it to one of those steam decks handheld computer devices. And still come to the same conclusion. They are way bigger, don't last as long, and is geared (like the Xbox) just for gaming.

To compare it solely on what memory comes with it, is to miss out on the whole system.
 
Been using my 14 Pro 256GB for about a day. It took about 50 minutes to do a full transfer from my old 12 Pro.
Not as fast as I would like, but I didn't have any issues doing it. This was the side by side (close contact) method of transfer. I agree it would be nice to have USB 3/4/thunderbolt for stuff like this. Unless we get 10Gb WiFi in the next iPhone.

After signing into my apps again, enabling FaceID on everything (still don't know why that just isn't enabled by default). Everything seems to be working just fine. I'm not missing anything, and my home screen mapped exactly as it had been before.

It's noticeably faster than my 12. Screen is VERY fluid and responsive.
I'm still getting used to the always on display. I'm used to it just being "off" when I click the power button. It's weird to me it's "on".

Performance improvements are noticeable, everything pops open (snappy). I really like the speed improvements and refresh rate of the screen. VERY nice.
It feels a little heavier than the 12. Like at the top. Camera bump is much larger, most likely the reason. Have not taken any pictures worth mentioning yet. Or videos. That will come later. Have to get to erasing the old phone and getting it ready to ship back to Apple.

So far, for me. So good!
 
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Am i wrong to suspect that Apple is waiting for several more years, when advances in processor and camera and display slow down more, to suddenly throw in a 25-30% bigger battery as the wow factor... to have a significantly longer battery life?

curious... why did the person you replied to get suspended? So far ive only read intelligent and well stated points.
I don’t think its in their interest to sandbag. Also I have no clue why they would be banned!
 
I am legitimately curious, in what situation does the iPhone ever show that it doesn't have enough RAM? I have been using them since the first and I cannot ever remember wishing for more memory. I still find the experience smoother than any other phone I have ever used.

Not being a dick, just trying to figure out why people keep wanting more and more RAM when it seems like Apple has the iPhone pretty optimized using less than competitors.
It depends on timing and model. You've gradually used all the phones and upgraded with them and probably never stepped back.
My SE1 was brilliant up until new version of IOS - then it became a slow beachball with lags and freezes.
I have now SE2 2020 - I have RAM anxiety with it. It is really bad when you scroll to your settings to copy some data, text to your friend in Teams and go back to Safari browser to only find out that your chat(tech support of your bank/wirelesss/home internet) ended because it restarted since not enough RAM. There are so many things like that, that you feel ok that some items restart on their own or your phone takes 3-4 seconds to find an app in the search bar.

It is not to say that 6GB is not enough - it is to say that there are still iphones with 3GB being sold that is not enough.
 
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I am legitimately curious, in what situation does the iPhone ever show that it doesn't have enough RAM? I have been using them since the first and I cannot ever remember wishing for more memory. I still find the experience smoother than any other phone I have ever used.

Not being a dick, just trying to figure out why people keep wanting more and more RAM when it seems like Apple has the iPhone pretty optimized using less than competitors.
So from my experience over the past 3 years on 11 pro there's a few things. The camera application with iOS14+ required so much memory at a minimum, other apps would unload. Also video apps such as disney+ and HBO max would cause similar behavior. There's also 3rd party keyboards which have a limit to memory access that's half the jetsam limit afforded to the stock keyboard, which would cause my keyboard to need to reload when moving between messages and safari.
 
The reason why Android needs so much memory is that it lacks Apple's level of hardware and software integration and, like generic windows and other software that is required to run on a plethora of ambiguous hardware, is highly inefficient and needs twice as much to do pretty much the same as Apple does on its highly regulated hardware.

If iPhone ever moves over to M series with its unified memory architecture, this gap in performance and power usage will be literally LOLworthy.
Yes, for sure android has some memory efficiency loss that they can mostly patch with throwing extra ram at the problem. However, put another way, the 'efficient' hardware and software integration means that there are many things that developers are not allowed to do that they can on android. As an example, android has supported split screening apps natively for a while now, which not even the iPhone Pro Max is allowed to do, despite it being allowed in iPadOS. So while the latest iPhones are very fast and extremely efficient with power and memory, the highly regulated hardware is not always an advantage.
 
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