iPhone 14 Pro Rumored to Feature 8GB RAM, Matching Galaxy S22

[EugW]

I read your post between you and the other member, but why would you even mention this? Doesn’t it kind of goes without saying when you’re factoring more RAM, clearly equals more multitasking capability.

Because part of the discussion is about individual app RAM limits. Perhaps next time you should quote the entire relevant post, instead of selectively ignoring part of it to support your narrative.

And since you brought it up again, I’ll make my point again, which is that RAM amount is not the only factor affecting RAM utilization by individual apps. It’s RAM amount, model version, and iPadOS version.

Now if you didn’t understand, I’ll explain it further:

Say you want to use a memory intensive creative app. Some people at MacRumors had suggested buying the 1 TB 6GB refurb 2018 model because it was a good deal and because has more RAM than the other 2018 models. However, that didn’t help. For the purposes of individual app RAM allocation, the maximum RAM available to those models for individual apps is exactly the same. OTOH, the maximum RAM available for the 2020 models for individual apps is significantly higher, despite having the same amount of RAM as the 2018 1 TB iPad Pro.

 

[Htsi]

Because part of the discussion is about individual app RAM limits. Perhaps next time you should quote the entire relevant post, instead of selectively ignoring part of it to support your narrative.

And since you brought it up again, I’ll make my point again, which is that RAM amount is not the only factor affecting RAM utilization by individual apps. It’s RAM amount, model version, and iPadOS version.

Now if you didn’t understand, I’ll explain it further:

Say you want to use a memory intensive creative app. Some people at MacRumors had suggested buying the 1 TB 6GB refurb 2018 model because it was a good deal and because has more RAM than the other 2018 models. However, that didn’t help. For the purposes of individual app RAM allocation, the maximum RAM available to those models for individual apps is exactly the same. OTOH, the maximum RAM available for the 2020 models for individual apps is significantly higher, despite having the same amount of RAM as the 2018 1 TB iPad Pro.

I’ll quote your full post and would like you to read this.
“It isn’t just the latest M1 iPad Pros that will see a performance boost, even those with the 2018 iPad Pro (1TB) will see a boost in layers to match 2020 iPad Pro devices.”
And as a reminder:
2020 iPad Pros : 6GB
2018 iPad Pro: 1TB-6GB Rest 4GB

And here’s the link:
Link

 

[Htsi]

Apple is a greedy bitch of a company that gives the most minuscule amount of RAM and acts as if their products are PRO.
****ing ********

 

[EugW]

I’ll quote your full post and would like you to read this.
“It isn’t just the latest M1 iPad Pros that will see a performance boost, even those with the 2018 iPad Pro (1TB) will see a boost in layers to match 2020 iPad Pro devices.”
And as a reminder:
2020 iPad Pros : 6GB
2018 iPad Pro: 1TB-6GB Rest 4GB

And here’s the link:
Link

Interesting. I stand corrected. That must be new in a later version of iPadOS, because that directly contradicts what Procreate themselves said before. (As mentioned, iPadOS version is also important - I’m glad Apple responded to the complaints about this.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/iPadPro/comments/gjjmam

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260342924056817669

Layers on the iPad Pro 2018 1TB vs 2020 iPad pro 2020 in Procreate

Since I'm seeing a lot of posts about the new iPad being able to make more layers with the extra RAM, what do you think the 1TB model with 6 GB ram on the 2018 one can do?


Sorry Max, only applies to 2020 pros. Even though the 1TB has 6gb, it has the same amount of developer accessible RAM as the other models from that gen

 

[saudor]

actually, it very well could be.
Iirc iPad OS 15 allows more ram to be used at once on the new M1 iPads, so if you haven’t updated you’re not doing yourself any favors

No. It's been on the same version since I got it and it was working great many months ago. Anyways back to working again after a reset.


Definitely doing myself a ton of favors by leaving montelame and ios15 at the door. memory leaks and bugs galore for a few extra emojis? i'll pass. Staying on 11.6.x and 14.8.x until at least macOS 13 and iOS16 are released.

 

[Dr. McKay]

I was going to buy a 13 Mini in a couple of weeks but all this begs the question how long this model will last me with its paltry 4Gb of RAM...

 

[Htsi]

Interesting. I stand corrected. That must be new in a later version of iPadOS, because that directly contradicts what Procreate themselves said before. (As mentioned, iPadOS version is also important - I’m glad Apple responded to the complaints about this.)

Yes sir. Glad I was able to get my point across. Essentially launched crippled, but no more handicap after iOS updates.

 

[Htsi]

I was going to buy a 13 Mini in a couple of weeks but all this begs the question how long this model will last me with its paltry 4Gb of RAM...

Everything will still be fast, it’s just that things will not stay in memory.
So,
Apps will reload
Safari tabs will reload

If you don’t multitask then it should’nt be too much of a problem. There’s no small iPhone with 6GB ram, yet.

And as an example of stupid reloads.
I compose an email on outlook. I switch to safari or photos app to see some information.
I return back to app, and it relaunches with my composed email nowhere in sight.

 

[BigPotatoLobbyist]

This is a very bad idea. Those tiny flash chips are nowhere as fast and resilient as an actual SSD.

That's kinda my unrealistic dream. Just stick my phone into a dock - boom, it's a mac. Insert it into a laptop chassis - boom, macbook. But .... it's hard to market those things. It's definitely technologically possible, even feasible, but hard to come up with a product the average Joe understands.

On topic: I think a spec bump would make sense, especially if it hardly costs anything. It won't matter anything now, but it will matter in 2027 when you consider if your ancient iPhone 14 Pro is still good enough now that Virtual Augmented Plutonium 5D-Hoverboard-Reality is the standard for connecting with dating wormholes and "kinda" requires 8 Gigs of Ram.

They use real, high-quality NVME drives or have since the 6S or so, with a custom low-power PCIE controller that is in combo still superior to UFS 3.1 on most random IO tasks AFAICT. It's not laptop-grade in bandwidth and such but it ain't bad. With Samsung-based UFS 3.1 Android OEM's have caught up for the most part though.

In terms of IO and user experience effects, the primary issue that plagued Android was EMMC storage with Google's garbage implementation of Fat32. Basically explained the notable degradation with Android more than iOS for the first oh 8 years of Android (Early UFS was at least capable of simultaneous write/reads of course but it wasn't really that great until 3.1)

 

[jeffpeng]

They use real, high-quality NVME drives or have since the 6S or so, with a custom low-power PCIE controller that is in combo still superior to UFS 3.1 on most random IO tasks AFAICT. It's not laptop-grade in bandwidth and such but it ain't bad. With Samsung-based UFS 3.1 Android OEM's have caught up for the most part though.

In terms of IO and user experience effects, the primary issue that plagued Android was EMMC storage with Google's garbage implementation of Fat32. Basically explained the notable degradation with Android more than iOS for the first oh 8 years of Android (Early UFS was at least capable of simultaneous write/reads of course but it wasn't really that great until 3.1)

I knew they bid eMMC farewell, but didn't expect them to actually use "desktop grade" flash storage. Thanks for the clarification. That justifies Apple's storage prices at least to some extend. Still, I can't imagine swapping to SSD would be nice on battery life, plus you really need quite the bandwidth to make it appear as seamless as it is on the M1 devices.

And yeah, I worked on some android-based low-cost Digital Signage devices that actually ran on eMMC and were outright horrible both in terms of performance and durability.

 

[_Spinn_]

Soon, iPhone could be the only computer- just connect to any monitor, keyboard and mouse when needed. It's the future. But we'll need USB-C and proper display support first.

I would love to dock my iPhone to a monitor, mouse, and keyboard and use similar to an iPad Pro with a magic keyboard.

 

[Danfango]

Everything will still be fast, it’s just that things will not stay in memory.
So,
Apps will reload
Safari tabs will reload

If you don’t multitask then it should’nt be too much of a problem. There’s no small iPhone with 6GB ram, yet.

And as an example of stupid reloads.
I compose an email on outlook. I switch to safari or photos app to see some information.
I return back to app, and it relaunches with my composed email nowhere in sight.

This is not because there is not enough RAM but because Microsoft wrote a crappy app and didn’t read the documentation.

The app is supposed to resume in the state it was left in, not some arbitrary default state.

There a whole page here about it https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/app_and_environment/managing_your_app_s_life_cycle

 

[Htsi]

This is not because there is not enough RAM but because Microsoft wrote a crappy app and didn’t read the documentation.

The app is supposed to resume in the state it was left in, not some arbitrary default state.

There a whole page here about it https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/app_and_environment/managing_your_app_s_life_cycle

I won’t defend Microsoft. But,
Outlook does not reload on my iPhone 12Pro
Safari keeps tabs in memory.

Both these things are opposite on my iPad Pro 2018.
Both first party and third party apps suffer due to RAM

 

[Dr. McKay]

There’s no small iPhone with 6GB ram, yet.

Well, I was kind of considering the regular 13 as well. 13 Pro Max is way too big, but the 13 Pro is the same as the regular 13, still quite manageable sizewise, and the Pro does have 6Gb of RAM...
But even that might not be enough anymore in the near future. Admittedly, I do find it annoying that apps reload and you can't continue where you left off after switching apps... (I currently have a 8 Plus with 3Gb of RAM)

 

[Htsi]

Well, I was kind of considering the regular 13 as well. 13 Pro Max is way too big, but the 13 Pro is the same as the regular 13, still quite manageable sizewise, and the Pro does have 6Gb of RAM...
But even that might not be enough anymore in the near future. Admittedly, I do find it annoying that apps reload and you can't continue where you left off after switching apps... (I currently have a 8 Plus with 3Gb of RAM)

Go for 12/13 Pro or wait for the new ones. The only downside of the pro models is the weight.
You will not get any major benefit in multitasking from 3 to 4GB. Need 6 or more

 

[AbSoluTc]

If using only safari on an iPad Pro with 5 tabs is purposefully hitting limits of the system then the system is ****. 4GB RAM is trash. 6GB is great. 8GB will be better

Talking about an iPhone. Not an iPad. Don't even know what model you're talking about.

 

[Dr. McKay]

Go for 12/13 Pro or wait for the new ones. The only downside of the pro models is the weight.
You will not get any major benefit in multitasking from 3 to 4GB. Need 6 or more

Well, still like the mini a lot, but I think I might go for the 13 Pro after all, it'll be that much more future proof...
The weight wouldn't be a big problem as my 8 Plus is no featherweight, either.