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I missed your post by a second. On the doable part, it is doable, but unnecessary.
Unecessary for how you use your phone but others want to take notes and sketches on the go. An iPad is too large to carry around. this is not about needing a stylus to click on things. It is about doing things that a finger is not good for. Of course most people won’t need this, but it would be useful for those who do.
 
I just wanna see the next iPhone Pro Max support the Apple Pencil.
Step #468 to becoming a trillion dollar company: Never cannibalise sales of a product that consumers are already buying in droves.

Most of the things that set iPads and iPhones apart in terms of hardware capabilities are completely negligible.

An iPad with a SIM-slot is at it's core really just a big iPhone, and vice-versa. So Apple has locked certain capabilities using software to make the two substantially different.

It's also much easier to sell consumers on two $1000 devices, each with a set of pros and cons, instead of giving them an all-in-one for $2000 that has all the pros of both.

-Apple Pencil for iPhone is never happening.
 
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Yes, that was under Steve’s direction with a stylus, but a lot has changed with Apple. Either way, it doesn’t seem like it’s something desirable that they want to do, as they could have for many years and they haven’t.

Really all I’m asking for and others, is a smaller version of the Apple Pencil, where it can be magnetically attached to an iPhone case as an accessory, and can be readily available. I don’t expect Apple to revamp the iPhone where it needs to be built in to the chassis, as I think that is unnecessary.
I can see this. But then again, as you stated, it’s not the direction of the iPhone as it would have been done long ago.
 
Apple purposefully delays features their competitors have had for 5 years so they can make every new iPhone seem like a decent update. It is so obvious at this point.
Apple sometimes takes their time adding a feature while they determine the actual value of the feature and work out how to add it in a way that is not tacked on. Then they need to figure out how to build it in so it doesn’t compromise other functions and how it can be built on a massive scale across all iPhones. TouchID and FaceID are examples where Android phones had something like it before Apple but the implementations were not secure. Apple took the time to do it right.

At this point all phones are mature products and there are very few new features that can or need to be added to phones. It is more about refining that redefining.
 
See my post above for a solution where the Apple Pencil could be magnetically attached to the iPhone case, that way it’s not built into the iPhone. It’s doable.
Just as iPads are forever stuck as supersized iPhones with amazing styluses(and no true pro apps), Apple will never let iPhones encroach on iPad market shares.

Giving iPhones Apple Pencil would cannibalise too many iPad sales.
 
It’s funny reading all the hate on rumours of features that have existed on Android. If this was something completely new everybody would be praising how good of an idea this sounds. And then mentioning “but the battery drain…. the oled burn-in….” Cmon, we know Apple will explain in the keynote how smart this feature is by using the sensors and detecting it’s in a pocket or facedown on a desk. I don’t have burn-in of my homescreen bar, time or wifi signal. And of course it will be something you can disable if you don’t wanna use it.
 
At this point all phones are mature products and there are very few new features that can or need to be added to phones. It is more about refining that redefining.
No, it is about sales. Apple has a loyal customer base, but still needs to add features to encourage upgrades.

The next iPhone updates for at least 5 years are all carefully planned out in advance to add just enough with each year to encourage enough upgrading - but not enough so it cannibalises the year following.
 
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No, it is about sales. Apple has a loyal customer base, but still needs to add features to encourage upgrades.

The next iPhone updates for at least 5 years are all carefully planned out in advance to add just enough with each year to encourage enough upgrading - but not enough so it cannibalises the year following.

A great point that many don't seem to know or realize.

Internally, Apple already knows what the iPhones and the lineup in 2024, maybe even 2025 is going to look like and what features they will have.
 
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Step #468 to becoming a trillion dollar company: Never cannibalise sales of a product that consumers are already buying in droves.

Most of the things that set iPads and iPhones apart in terms of hardware capabilities are completely negligible.

An iPad with a SIM-slot is at it's core really just a big iPhone, and vice-versa. So Apple has locked certain capabilities using software to make the two substantially different.

It's also much easier to sell consumers on two $1000 devices, each with a set of pros and cons, instead of giving them an all-in-one for $2000 that has all the pros of both.

-Apple Pencil for iPhone is never happening.
No. First of all, Apple is probably the company that has cannibalised more products in consumer tech. Second: do you really think someone is considering whether to buy a tablet or not depending… on a phone? iPads and iPhones are completely different devices, and no device is ever going to have the “pros” of both. No one* would stop buying an iPad if the iPhone had stylus support.

I think everything is much simpler: they think an iPhone with stylus would be a worse product, and it would sell worse. It’s also easier to think they don’t want to implement macOS-like features in the iPad because Apple considers they would make it a worse product, instead of weird strategies that don’t work in real life.
 
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AW has a tiny screen, Apple will do the more efficient way...just some pixels at 1Hz
For AW its different
Bigger screen, bigger battery. There are more things to consider, but when it comes to mAh/cm^2, it’s even proportionally bigger:
• iPhone 13 Pro Max: 39.6
• Apple Watch 45mm: 27
 
I can see this. But then again, as you stated, it’s not the direction of the iPhone as it would have been done long ago.
Which is unfortunate, because it would be a massive marketing point for the iPhone, likely create a larger swath of sales with Apple Pencil support and diversify the iPhone where they have more capability.

I still think there’s potential for Apple to do this in the future, and you never know, and we also don’t know that they haven’t experimented with an Apple Pencil compatible to the iPhone either.
 
Useful for the time I guess…

Seems equally likely to just keep people even more locked in and always paying attention to their phone

I’ve been at some dinners where things were literally worse just because somebody has their phone on the table. I also have a couple friends who have boxes in their house where both parents have to agree to stash their phone each night so they can actually have some quality family time that’s not interrupted by calls, texts, notifications or just the pull to do something on the device.

It’s incredible how distracting and damaging these devices are to normal in person human interactions and activities
Our rule is no devices at dinner as that’s family time. The kids have learned to enjoy that time and it often ends up in long conversations.

We’re definitely too connected these days. Just this week I’m on vacation moving and my boss messaged me a question. I didn’t answer since he’s not respecting my time off. Even salaried employees need a mental break from work. Personally, I think this should be illegal but the mindset of we always have to be productive and doing something or we’re worthless, in the US, is pervasive and ends up being damaging to our society in the long run (we’re seeing the effects now).
 
Which is unfortunate, because it would be a massive marketing point for the iPhone, likely create a larger swath of sales with Apple Pencil support and diversify the iPhone where they have more capability.

I still think there’s potential for Apple to do this in the future, and you never know, and we also don’t know that they haven’t experimented with an Apple Pencil compatible to the iPhone either.
Unsure about the potential, but the one thing Apple is pushing is AR/VR, although I have yet to see a valid reason why to push this.
 
Will it be able to detect if it's in your pocket? I could see always-on being great if your phone is sitting on a table or desk, but if it's in your pocket surely the battery drain and heat wouldn't be worth it to have the display on?
iPhones had the proximity sensor turn off the screen since 2007 so that it turns off the screen when you hold it to your ear. In total darkness you can actually see the faint red light briefly turn on whenever you're touching the screen.
 
As someone who's on the fence on if he's gonna upgrade from his 12 Pro, always-on display would be a big plus.
 
I’m going to bet on this: the big advantage of this over the implementation in Android is that it will be a full lock screen, including coloured background, because it relies more on 1Hz refresh rate than disabling pixels.

Most of the Android phones (all that I know) just display specific thin text and icons on black background.

I surely hope not because that would be a huge battery drain, Apple can't do magic, pixels that are lit on an OLED are draining your battery.
 
Unsure about the potential, but the one thing Apple is pushing is AR/VR, although I have yet to see a valid reason why to push this.
Well, two things:

1.) Look at the potential with the Apple Pencil created for the iPad. I mean, nobody would say that it wouldn’t bring potential to the iPhone, because it just creates more of a dynamic to what the iPhone already is. Apple sells the Pencil as an accessory, which creates more sales for Apple, and then add a specific case that could accommodate Apple Pencil, that’s even more money. So there’s potential for Apple and definitely from a consumer standpoint. There 100% is potential, but just because it doesn’t appeal to you, doesn’t mean it wouldn’t sell.

2.) As far as the ‘unsure’ potential of AR/VR. I’m amazed that people just can’t be more open minded, and stay neutral until they can see some ‘hands-on’ demos. Last week, I listed examples of AR/VR that could easily benefit the professional sector with a tactical experience for law-enforcement, virtual surgical procedures for a doctor, automotive/diesel industry for repair concepts, the list goes on…..
 
Don't really know how this is beneficial anywhere other than in the car. Don't think they're quite there yet with their batteries for this to be a long-term net positive either, unless you're swapping phones yearly.
 
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I wonder if the always on display will trickled down to older iPhones with an oled display.
 
I didn't know a screen could maintain an image at 1Hz, I thought it would fade too quickly at that refresh rate and look unstable.

But the linked article says Android can maintain a static image at 1Hz so I guess I was wrong. Interesting.
 
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